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== External links modified == == Origins of Vajrayana ==

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==Vajrayana in the West (or modern Vajrayana)==
It should be added right? How Vajrayana is expanding through the west. I'm ignorant about the details, but we can't deny their advance in less than 100 years. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 00:48, 19 September 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:What makes "Western Vajrayan" different than every other ]? I may be mistaken, but I believe that the vast majority of Vajrayana practitioners in the west are practicing Tibetan Buddhism and therefore it has yet to become its own independent school. ] (]) 22:20, 19 September 2015 (UTC)


This wikipedia page is basically affirming Vajrayana was born out of Hinduism. I think the page should gives rise to the possibility that it was taught by the historical Buddha. Both perspectives are taught widely and both can be stated on this page without it being a huge scandal. At the same time, I don't want to do this alone and I don't want to put work into this and then discover wikipedia editors simply want to keep the page as it is.
:Very few sources on new western found ] cycles. Folks practicing in the west are likely practicing with existing school methods. The unique part is the western school location, students and teacher origins. ] (]) 05:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)


There are many good resources including books from Reggie Ray that would be good secondary sources.
== Grammatical Active Voice ==


Anyone else interested in this project, or just leave it alone?
Where specifically are there "too many gramatical errors" in this version , when it has the ]? Really was unnecessary to revert, maybe even lazy, could just point out your specific issues or, make changes. The active voice will bring better clarity to the reader here. The reverted version makes is sound like:


All best wishes,
*the Bodhisattva is the only Vajrayāna goal, which is untrue. There are others, as Vajrayana transcends and includes with faithful acceptance.
*it sets up a comparatively opposite goal with Theravada, which is untrue; because, Vajrayana transcends and includes with faithful acceptance.
*there is a single purpose, which is untrue, because, Vajrayana transcends and includes with faithful acceptance of the two purposes, benefiting other and self.
*it confounds empty enlightened mind nature, which is unnecessary.
*makes "skillful means" as the Vajrayana basis, which is untrue.
*it puts deities and accoutrements tools to useful employment work, which is ungenerous to karmic acts and actions.
⚫ ] (]) 23:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


⚫ ] (]) 16:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:Just looking at the last edit you might notice that it takes more than removing -ing to make a sentence active voice. "The special tantric vows vary '''depend''' on the specific mandala practice for which the initiation is received" is a blatant copy edit error and incorrect grammar. A sentence with proper grammar and passive voice is better than incorrect grammar and active voice (especially since passive voice is permissable). If you take the time to read your changes you will see similar problems "Vajrayana Buddhism is esoteric in the sense that certain '''teaching's''' transmission only '''occur'''..." here you use the wrong contraction and make the subject singular but change the verb to not be singular (by removing the 's'). Perhaps you meant teachings' (plural and possessive) but it was still clearer before your edit as "Vajrayana Buddhism is esoteric in the sense that the transmission of certain teachings only occurs...". In the same edit "a reality side-effect" is less clear than the previous "a side-effect of the reality" especially in the context of the sentence. I have no objections directly to the content, but your edits made multiple problems with grammar and readability that other editors shouldn't have to scramble to clean up. It appears that you either don't double check your edits, or that English is not your primary language. Please reintroduce your edits with proper grammar by copy-editing yourself as you go and this won't happen again.] (]) 03:35, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

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The difference between Nirvana and Buddha hood.

Nirvana is a Sanskrit word as you well know, but did you know it consists of tree words, Nir Vad Djna, literally this mean “Without wrong thought”, at least this is what my teacher Chhimed Rigdzin Rinpoche taught me. To reach Nirvana is to come to the end of ones preconceived ideas, to the place where the world is new at every moment.

Buddha hood is to gain the state of a Buddha, to be a Buddha is to gain throughout ages an accumulation of merits or positive accumulated fearlessness to deal with the parts of life that beings do not like to deal with and witch make up what is commonly known as the subconscious. Having gained a storage of “good merit” one will have the connection to a whole world of sentient beings, through ones work, and so will start at a proper time a new world cycle of Buddhist teachings.

To become a Buddha and to attain Nirvana is one and the same, there is no difference between the two, in actual experience. To reach Nirvana is like becoming truly sane. And to become a Buddha is to become the King of Fearlessness.

Nirvana you may gain for you self anytime but becoming a Buddha is another matter. --Mitrapa 16:32, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)Mitrapa.

Different teachers give different etymologies for the word "nirvana". The most common is as follows: "nir" is the prefix meaning "to cease" or "to stop"; "vaana" means "blowing": thus "extinguished" or "blown out" would be the literal translation. - --Bodhirakshita 03:53, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

where to put this?

don't know yet.

Deity practice

I removed the following, misleading fragment from the article:

"Deity Tantra is often practiced at the moment directly prior to sexual climax. The practitioner takes a consort and this is practiced in pairs. Often times the couple pictures themselves as the deities in the mandala making love."

It gives the impression that tantric buddhist deity practices are predominantly done in a "sexual" setting. In reality however, these deity practices are just meditation practices - with no consort involved. In anuttarayogatantra, the deities often do have consorts, but anuttarayogatantra is not relevant to most tantric practitioners.

Notes

Origins of Vajrayana

This wikipedia page is basically affirming Vajrayana was born out of Hinduism. I think the page should gives rise to the possibility that it was taught by the historical Buddha. Both perspectives are taught widely and both can be stated on this page without it being a huge scandal. At the same time, I don't want to do this alone and I don't want to put work into this and then discover wikipedia editors simply want to keep the page as it is.

There are many good resources including books from Reggie Ray that would be good secondary sources.

Anyone else interested in this project, or just leave it alone?

All best wishes,

Badabara (talk) 16:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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