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== Origins of Vajrayana ==
==No reason for using Devanagari in Buddhist articles==
It seems there are certain users that want to add ] script renditions of terms in numerous articles about Buddhism on Misplaced Pages. There seems to be no good reason for this, other than perhaps nationalistic or revsionist ones.

Devanagari does not come from the time of the Buddha or from the time of Ashoka (from which date the first Buddhist related inscriptions), as the wki article says it reached regular use by the 7th century CE.

None of the major ] (Tibetan, Chinese, Pali) are recorded in Devanagari, they use Chinese, ] and various South Asian scripts like ] or ]. None of the major publications of these canons use Devanagari. Even the Sanskrit Buddhist texts are mostly not published in Devanagari, but use ] instead. None of the main scholarly publications on Sanskritic Buddhism use Devanagari either, they all use IAST (for example:
Siderits and Katsura 's "Nagarjuna's Middle Way: Mulamadhyamakakarika").

It makes absolutely no sense to put Devanagari in Buddhist articles. For these reasons, I am removing any instance of these that I see.] 15:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

:Off the face of it that sounds poorly researched. This article is about Vajrayana, its historic roots can be traced to Sanskrit. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:14, 5 March 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::Actually it sounds pretty logical. Therefore I have removed it again. ~] <small>(])</small> 04:06, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

::: The word "Vajrayana" is a SANSKRIT word - https://en.wiktionary.org/Vajrayana#Etymology. Also, the Vajrayana tradition has its roots in Northern India of the early medieval period. Devanagari was already in use by that time. I think that warrants a mention of the word in the source language. The texts that ] refers to when mentioning the absence of Devanagari are very much older than the Vajrayana source texts. ] (]) 04:54, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
::::Then why use Devanagari script instead of Sanskrit script? And why is any of this relevant for the English Misplaced Pages? ~] <small>(])</small> 16:33, 6 March 2020 (UTC)


This wikipedia page is basically affirming Vajrayana was born out of Hinduism. I think the page should gives rise to the possibility that it was taught by the historical Buddha. Both perspectives are taught widely and both can be stated on this page without it being a huge scandal. At the same time, I don't want to do this alone and I don't want to put work into this and then discover wikipedia editors simply want to keep the page as it is.
::::: What Im saying is that by the time Vajrayana emerged Devanagari was being used for Sanskrit. If Devanagari is not required on English Misplaced Pages then why are the Chinese and Japanese scripts?] (]) 16:57, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::: Chinese and Japanese often have no standard translations, and in the case of Chinese, multiple transliteration systems. There are many ancient Indic scripts, not just Devanagari. When you start to insert one, soon someone will start to add another one, etc. Perhaps ] should also be used for all Buddhist articles.--<span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC">] ]</span> 23:35, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::: Do you suggest we should instead use IAST? ] (]) 06:09, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::::: Yes, exactly. Romanization will suffice.--<span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC">] ]</span> 23:34, 7 March 2020 (UTC)


There are many good resources including books from Reggie Ray that would be good secondary sources.
== Undid revert ==


Anyone else interested in this project, or just leave it alone?
Undid revert by {{u|Editor2020}} as per the earlier ping. The RS by the Nyingma scholar is solid on the history of Secret Mantra and Vajrayana. A definitely better source than McMillan on the foundations and later spread of Vajrayana. Thank you. ] (]) 22:11, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


All best wishes,
== Consort practices ==


] (]) 16:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
There's a clarification needed. Vajrayana and tantric consort practices are very different than "sex rituals" or "sexual practices". Different purposes, and they are actually incorrect descriptions of consort practices. I've been correcting the error where possible. Note that specific scholars do not use those terms, but other authors with possibly shallower understandings might use those terms. Thoughts? ] (]) 23:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

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The difference between Nirvana and Buddha hood.

Nirvana is a Sanskrit word as you well know, but did you know it consists of tree words, Nir Vad Djna, literally this mean “Without wrong thought”, at least this is what my teacher Chhimed Rigdzin Rinpoche taught me. To reach Nirvana is to come to the end of ones preconceived ideas, to the place where the world is new at every moment.

Buddha hood is to gain the state of a Buddha, to be a Buddha is to gain throughout ages an accumulation of merits or positive accumulated fearlessness to deal with the parts of life that beings do not like to deal with and witch make up what is commonly known as the subconscious. Having gained a storage of “good merit” one will have the connection to a whole world of sentient beings, through ones work, and so will start at a proper time a new world cycle of Buddhist teachings.

To become a Buddha and to attain Nirvana is one and the same, there is no difference between the two, in actual experience. To reach Nirvana is like becoming truly sane. And to become a Buddha is to become the King of Fearlessness.

Nirvana you may gain for you self anytime but becoming a Buddha is another matter. --Mitrapa 16:32, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)Mitrapa.

Different teachers give different etymologies for the word "nirvana". The most common is as follows: "nir" is the prefix meaning "to cease" or "to stop"; "vaana" means "blowing": thus "extinguished" or "blown out" would be the literal translation. - --Bodhirakshita 03:53, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

where to put this?

don't know yet.

Deity practice

I removed the following, misleading fragment from the article:

"Deity Tantra is often practiced at the moment directly prior to sexual climax. The practitioner takes a consort and this is practiced in pairs. Often times the couple pictures themselves as the deities in the mandala making love."

It gives the impression that tantric buddhist deity practices are predominantly done in a "sexual" setting. In reality however, these deity practices are just meditation practices - with no consort involved. In anuttarayogatantra, the deities often do have consorts, but anuttarayogatantra is not relevant to most tantric practitioners.

Notes

Origins of Vajrayana

This wikipedia page is basically affirming Vajrayana was born out of Hinduism. I think the page should gives rise to the possibility that it was taught by the historical Buddha. Both perspectives are taught widely and both can be stated on this page without it being a huge scandal. At the same time, I don't want to do this alone and I don't want to put work into this and then discover wikipedia editors simply want to keep the page as it is.

There are many good resources including books from Reggie Ray that would be good secondary sources.

Anyone else interested in this project, or just leave it alone?

All best wishes,

Badabara (talk) 16:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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