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== Frank Mankiewicz quote is incorrect == |
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== Other three major assassinations? == |
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The introduction notes that RFK was "one of four major assassinations in the United States that occurred during the 1960s." While that sentence links to the entire decade of the 60s, a link that explains what the other three assassinations were (presumably MLK JFK and Malcolm X) would probably be appropriate. ] (]) 21:32, 2 March 2023 (UTC) |
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If you listen to actual recordings of Mr. Mankiewicz speaking, it's clear he is actually saying (bold words inserted, strikeout removed from original): |
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:What is meant is in the article, but I wouldn't think that Malcolm X's assassination was more important than those of Medgar Evers and Lincoln Rockwell (who is listed at ] with the two Kennedys, while the others are not), as well as the killings of James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner, all of which are included in the more comprehensive ]. ] (]) 09:35, 3 March 2023 (UTC) |
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== nonsense about hypnosis == |
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"I have a short announcement to read, which I will read at this time. Senator Robert Francis Kennedy died at 1:44 a.m. '''today''', June 6, 1968. With Senator Kennedy at the time of his death were his wife Ethel, his sisters Mrs. Stephen Smith, Mrs. Patricia Lawford, {{strike|his}} brother-in-law Mr. Stephen Smith, {{strike|and}} his sister-in-law Mrs. John F. Kennedy. He was 42 years old. {{strike|Thank you.}}" |
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''Herbert Spiegel, a Columbia University psychologist, said that Sirhan was probably induced via hypnosis into firing a gun in the direction of Kennedy without knowing what he was doing and without being able to recall either the events or the process of having been programmed. Spiegel suggested that he was in a state of hypnotically-induced amnesia during the time of his arrest as well as afterwards.'' |
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This is a very clear recording of everything after the first sentence: <span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 4px red;">]</span><span style="text-shadow:3px 3px 4px blue;"><small>]</small></span> 18:33, 15 July 2021 (UTC) |
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Why is this fringe conspiracy nonsense included in the article? -- ] (]) 13:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== FAR needed == |
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:It's been removed, all that text was written by one editor with an obvious agenda ]] 11:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC) |
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The article could perhaps need some formal review, checking it against the FA criteria. It was promoted eons ago, back in 2008. There are huge swaths of unsourced texts, as well as tags for inappropriate colloquialisms. I am also not positive that it is comprehensive, since the discourse around the shooting has changed significantly the last decade. The 'See also' should prolly also be nuked. ] (]) 21:53, 16 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== Thane Eugene Cesar. Robert F Kennedy Jr.. "Better source needed" == |
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== Tet offensive == |
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Currently the article says "Better source needed" concerning ] saying that Thane Eugene Cesar was the shooter that fired the shots that hit and killed his father. |
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Article states that Johnson "ordered the Tet offensive" which is clearly incorrect as the offensive was launched by North Vietnam! ] (]) 03:22, 7 June 2022 (UTC) |
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: Fixed; thanks! – ] (]) 04:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC) |
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Here is a Nov 12, 2023 video of Robert Kennedy Jr. going into detail about that: |
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== Protection? == |
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*Youtube: . On . By ]. Date is found by hovering over the number of views. Date pops up. |
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--] (]) 08:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2024 == |
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Shouldn't this page be protected for being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict? ] (]) 00:10, 30 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:{{u|ColorfulSmoke}}, we only protect articles when there is an ongoing pattern of vandalism, edit warring or other clear disruption. ] (]) 00:12, 30 July 2022 (UTC) |
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== Other three major assassinations? == |
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I am requesting that either I or an approved moderator alter the initials present on the first image of the page. It currently reads "Rfk assassination", It would be better, I feel to re-state the article title as: "Assassination of RFK" ] (]) 21:28, 3 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Don't see the point. It's just the file name for the image, doesn't appear in the article at all ] (]) 21:45, 3 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== We should talk more about the media coverage == |
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The introduction notes that RFK was "one of four major assassinations in the United States that occurred during the 1960s." While that sentence links to the entire decade of the 60s, a link that explains what the other three assassinations were (presumably MLK JFK and Malcolm X) would probably be appropriate. ] (]) 21:32, 2 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:What is meant is in the article, but I wouldn't think that Malcolm X's assassination was more important than those of Medgar Evers and Lincoln Rockwell (who is listed at ] with the two Kennedys, while the others are not), as well as the killings of James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner, all of which are included in the more comprehensive ]. ] (]) 09:35, 3 March 2023 (UTC) |
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say how the media coverage the shooting rfk as it happened ] (]) 02:18, 7 December 2024 (UTC) |
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''Herbert Spiegel, a Columbia University psychologist, said that Sirhan was probably induced via hypnosis into firing a gun in the direction of Kennedy without knowing what he was doing and without being able to recall either the events or the process of having been programmed. Spiegel suggested that he was in a state of hypnotically-induced amnesia during the time of his arrest as well as afterwards.'' |
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Why is this fringe conspiracy nonsense included in the article? -- ] (]) 13:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC) |
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The introduction notes that RFK was "one of four major assassinations in the United States that occurred during the 1960s." While that sentence links to the entire decade of the 60s, a link that explains what the other three assassinations were (presumably MLK JFK and Malcolm X) would probably be appropriate. 150.135.165.56 (talk) 21:32, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Here is a Nov 12, 2023 video of Robert Kennedy Jr. going into detail about that:
I am requesting that either I or an approved moderator alter the initials present on the first image of the page. It currently reads "Rfk assassination", It would be better, I feel to re-state the article title as: "Assassination of RFK" Jonnqy (talk) 21:28, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Not done: Don't see the point. It's just the file name for the image, doesn't appear in the article at all Cannolis (talk) 21:45, 3 October 2024 (UTC)