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Requested move 13 May 2021

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The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 06:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

First Intifada → First Palestinian Intifada – Rename per WP:CONCISE there have been multiple events named Intifada in the Arab World over the past century. Specifically, the first events named Intifada were the 1952 Egyptian revolution and parallel Iraqi Intifada (1952). Later those were followed by Bahraini March Intifada in 1960s, the Sahrawi Zemla Intifada in 1970s, LEbanese February 6 Intifada in early 1980s (all being essentially "First Intifada"s) and only later in 1987 was the first Palestinian Intifada. Some sources which utilize the term "First Intifada" deal specifically with the Israeli-Palestinian event in retrospective and hence drop "Palestinian" from the term, while during the event itself it was rather branded "the Palestinian Intifada", the the "87 Intifada" - same as sources dealing with World War I referred to it as "the World War". It is certainly not the "First Intifada", but rather only in the Palestinian context. GreyShark (dibra) 09:23, 13 May 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 02:47, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• Comment - note that the Second Palestinian Intifada article is now at Al-Aqsa Intifada renamed to this title in 2019, now proposed for another title discussion.GreyShark (dibra) 09:29, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

  It isn't now. – wbm1058 (talk) 14:57, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

• Support It is true there have been others, so First is not very precise. It's an aka anyway.Selfstudier (talk) 09:59, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - The full term "First Palestinian Intifada" is not very common. I don't believe the extra disambiguation is necessary: the first couple of pages of a Google Scholar search for "first intifada" all refer to the Palestinian intifada and not any other. Rublov (talk) 12:18, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. I concur with Rublov. This seems like a case for disambiguation, but only as a hatnote on this article. — Goszei (talk) 17:45, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. Rreagan007 (talk) 03:24, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Second Palestinian Intifada redirects to Second Intifada. – wbm1058 (talk) 14:57, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose by far the primary topic for this, I'm unaware of a single other thing called the first intifada except for the first time by a user on this talk page. That somebody thinks some other event is essentially a "First Intifada", what matters is that sources nearly uniformly refer to the First Intifada as the First Intifada. nableezy - 15:12, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

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Please change "The impact on the Israeli services sector, including the important Israeli tourist industry, was notably negative." to "While filled with suffering and terror, the First Intifada became beneficial to the Palestinians. It solidified a clear and focused national consciousness for Palestine and the peoples need for statehood. The First Intifada brought a negative light to Israel on the world stage as many witnessed the horrors the Israeli Forces were capable of in trying to maintain their political legitimacy. The conflict also cost Israel hundreds of millions of dollars in lost tourism and imports."

Stitch2016 (talk) 04:15, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: This language seems to violate WP:NPOV. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:25, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

References

1. Pierpaoli, Paul G., Jr. "Intifada, First." The Encyclopedia of the Arab-Israeli Conflict: A Political, Social, and Military History, edited by Spencer C. Tucker and Priscilla Roberts, vol. 2, ABC-CLIO, 2008, pp. 472-474. Gale eBooks. Accessed 2022.

Casus belli

In the introduction it is written "an Israeli Defense Forces' (IDF) truck collided with a civilian car, killing four Palestinian workers", but I don't see any reference that says that the truck was indeed one of the IDF. If it was an IDF's truck indeed, a reference saying so is, in my opinion, much needed. Otherwise, it would be good to edit this part out. Thank you Nausicaasbel (talk) 14:03, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Changed to Israeli truck driver per sources. Selfstudier (talk) 11:27, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Result

Wouldn’t the proper result be a “Palestinian political victory?”

it says uprising suppressed, and I cannot access the source to confirm it, but given that this was not a military confrontation like the second intifada which was suppressed by two major operations but instead a series of protests, shouldn’t this be the more fitting result? The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 04:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

my suggestion would be to remove the "result" from the infobox entirely since it isnt adding anything. I dont think any RS would describe the "result" of the first intifada simply as "uprising suppressed". DMH223344 (talk) 06:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

That would work too, the first intifada wasn’t the full scale war like the second one and from what I’m reading it ended with a peace settlement (Madrid conference) rather than being quashed by military force The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 13:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Who calls the second intifada a war? DMH223344 (talk) 16:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

The second intifada was more “militaristic” and was suppressed by 2 operations (homat magen and operation rainbow), the like of which didn’t happen in the first one. I was only bringing it up as a reference The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 16:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Also I dont think we can argue that madrid was the result of the first intifada. RS do tend to describe it as an outcome, but not *the* result.

khalidi: . It is worth recalling that the Madrid Peace Conference and the Palestinian-Israel negotiations that followed were in a sense the fruit of the first intifada, which had galvanized Palestinian society and revealed to many Israelis after two decades that the occupation was untenable.

Pappe: The first Palestinian uprising in 1987 squashed all ideas of the autonomy option as it led Jordan to remove itself as a partner from future negotiations. The upshot of these developments was that the Israeli peace camp came around to accepting the Palestinians as partners for a future settlement. At first Israel tried, always with the help of the Americans, to negotiate peace with the Palestinian leadership in the Occupied Territories, which was allowed to take part, as an official peace delegation, in the 1991 Madrid peace conference. This conference was the award the American administration had decided to hand out to the Arab states for backing Washington’s military invasion of Iraq in the first Gulf War. Openly stalled by Israel, Madrid led nowhere.

morris: Only the Intifada, which started in December 1987, at last propelled the Israeli leadership toward moderation and concessions. At the same time, the realities of the uprising, and pressure from the grass roots in the occupied territories, compelled the PLO-Tunis leadership to move toward further moderation of its positions. It was the conjunction of these two processes and the break-up of the Soviet Union (which denied the Arabs a war option) that in 1991 made possible the Madrid Peace Conference and, ultimately, after a new, moderate government came to power in Jerusalem, the Israeli-PLO Oslo accords, including mutual recognition and the start of Israel’s gradual withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. DMH223344 (talk) 16:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Do you see removing the result as the best decision here? What about Oslo I and Madrid, better to move it to the territorial changes? The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 03:39, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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