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== Grammar ==
== Famous persons associated with the liquidators of the Chernobyl disaster ==


The first sentence of the sub-section "Fuel-containing materials" has a grammatical error. The first sentence reads "About 95% of the fuel in reactor No. 4 at the time of the accident." This is obviously not a complete sentence. It is unclear to me what the original literary intent of this clause was. This half-sentence could be removed without impeding the reader's understanding of the following text. ] (]) 19:33, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Good day to you all and to you personally!!!!!!


== Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2024 ==
So,exactly how it was removed from the article on the English version of the Misplaced Pages website,but still,I think that it will be interesting to someone,let it be in the discussion of this article-so,well,please,at least in the discussion,don’t delete!!!!!!

This is all taken from the same article,but from the Ukrainian version of the Misplaced Pages website and translated in the Google Translate Internet service!!!!!!

* Ukrainian ] ] worked as a ] of the consequences of the Chernobyl disaster since the end of ] ] .At least some mention: <ref>{{cite news |language=uk |title=Юрій Іздрик: Нащо мені “почесне громадянство Калуша”, якщо я не маю за що жити? |url=https://vikna.if.ua/news/category/articles/2015/02/09/29617/view |date=9 February 2015 |agency=Вікна |website=] |access-date=9 February 2015 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230321084457/https://vikna.if.ua/news/category/articles/2015/02/09/29617/view |archive-date=21 March 2023 |url-status=live }}</ref> .
* The ] of ] ( ] ) and ] ( ] and ] , ] in ] –] , ] ,etc.), ], participated in overcoming the consequences of the Chernobyl disaster.At least some mention: <ref>{{cite news |language=uk |title=Помер батько братів Кличків |url=https://tabloid.pravda.com.ua/news/4e1da55aeec13/ |date=13 July 2011 |agency=Таблоїд |website=] |access-date=13 July 2011 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210419070813/https://tabloid.pravda.com.ua/news/4e1da55aeec13/ |archive-date=19 April 2021 |url-status=live }}</ref>
* The ] ] of the ] of the Ukrainian ] ] ] ] was one of the ] of the consequences of the tragedy at the nuclear power plant.At least some mention: <ref>{{cite news |language=uk |title=Музичний гурт ONUKA |url=https://muzabetka.com.ua/muzichnij-gurt-onuka.html |date= |agency=Музична Абетка |website=] |access-date=8 February 2024 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231128225813/https://muzabetka.com.ua/muzichnij-gurt-onuka.html |archive-date=28 November 2023 |url-status=live }}</ref> .

] (]) 15:12, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

::So out of the three people there is one actual notable person, a poet. The other two are fathers of other people. No reason for inclusion. And for a third time, there is no need to link to common words. Or using six exclamation marks!!!!!! ]. ] 19:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

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== Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2024 ==


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Under the "In popular culture" section, it says THQ produced STALKER, this is not true GSC Gameworld, a Ukrainian video games developer, produced it. ] (]) 16:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Remove entirely:
:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> The article doesn't say THQ produced the game, it says it released it, which according to the game's article would appear to be true. With that said, I'm of the opinion that a video game's developer is usually far more responsible for it than its publisher, so I added a few words that include GSC's role. ] (]) 20:07, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Such psychological distresses can also significantly increase cancer mortality rates, possibly as much as 97%, nearly double, resulting in as many as ~100,000 additional cancer mortalities among the liquidators. From this accident, the fear of radiological illness has been more of a detriment, and potentially more lethal, upon the lives of affected people than the illnesses themselves and, unlike radioactive contaminants, shows no signs of diminishing in the near future.

Reason:
The source study finds an *association* between psychological distress and increased cancer mortality *among people with a history of cancer*. This is a correlation and is certainly not causal. Among those with a history of cancer, correlation between stress and mortality is almost certainly a result of the sicker patients being more psychologically stressed. It is no way suggests that that stress causes increased chances of death; in fact, the opposite is surely the reason. "Stress causes a 97% increase in the changes of dying from cancer" does not pass the smell test and is not stated in the source article. The statement "fear of radiological illness has been more of a detriment, and potentially more lethal, upon the lives of affected people than the illnesses themselves" is completely unsupported and is based on quite obviously faulty logical reasoning. ] (]) 20:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

:] '''Done''' - This was clear ] and has been removed. ] (]) 07:58, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

== Thickness of Test Metals Around the Reactor, ratio per Mass Uranium.. ==

Heat and at 30 gigaWatts....South Korean Nuclear Electric Plant ] (]) 04:11, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

== There is currently no source for the assertion that the room was calm when AZ-5 was pressed or that the use of AZ-5 was pre-planned, other than Dyatlov's book. ==

I to clarify that the current source - Dyatlov's book - is only an assertion from him about the use of AZ-5. My edit was reverted (actually, it wasn't merely reverted, but the language strengthened despite no new sources added).

If we are only going to use Dyatlov's book, that's fine, but the article needs to reflect that. If there are other sources for these claims, then they need to be added.] (]) 01:33, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

OK, little update: I've found this, which seems like a viable secondary source, cites many germane primary sources, and seems to more-or-less support the current language in the article: https://chernobylcritical.blogspot.com/p/part-5-after-explosion.html

So perhaps the change I attempted to make it not needed afterall. ] (]) 02:12, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

:It may be worthwhile to know that the author of chernobylcritical.blogspot.com is ] who will probably be able to address your concerns in this specific matter. ]] 14:33, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

::It wasn't entirely clear in the original wording what was meant by the shutdown being planned in advance. The fact that shutdown was planned for that shift in particular is stated in so many sources that I don't even remember which one to cite; you would need to pick a few at random and see if you get lucky.


== Getting this to a Good Article state ==
::More unclear is whether the shift intended to shut down right at 1:23:04 when rundown began. For this we primarily have Dyatlov's assertion. In an 'original research' kind of way, it has often been pointed out that the test program contains no step for blocking the two-turbine disconnection trip, so following the instructions to the letter would indeed have automatically scrammed the reactor at 1:23:04. But in fact we can add a separate reputable source for Akimov stating that they planned to shut down as rundown began: https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/20285-national-security-archive-doc-01-cc-cpsu (Control-F for "inform" and you should jump right to the relevant passage.)


After few years, I have come back to the article and made a variety of significant edits, mainly simplifying the overall layout. My goal would be to get this article to a state where it can be nominated to a Good Article and a Featured Article - seems worthwhile given the importance of the event as well as this article being in the Top 100 visited articles.
::Eyewitnesses reporting a calm atmosphere preceding the scram include Metlenko, Gazin and others. I agree that we need some citations here. The quotes mostly come from Nikolai Karpan's book, Revenge of the Peaceful Atom. Citing them would be far preferable to using my blog as a source, but I would need to take some time to track down page references, etc.] (]) 14:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


I'm not sure how much time I can invest into this of course, but seeing a variety of activity from others recently inspired me and I thought I'd start a collaborative checklist below. Feel free to edit it further, or cross out things that are done!
== Crisis management - Evacuation: time discrepancy ==


* Update the Background with key information about RBMK and the ChNPP.
The 4th paragraph contains this sentence:
* Update the Impact section with information about impact on Soviet Union (some of it may be moved from the Socio-economic impact section?)
: In the early daylight hours of 27 April, approximately 36 hours after the initial blast (...)
* Reconcile the Long-term effects section with the ] article. There is significant overlap but also differences, and I believe the section would benefit from trimming down details.
The initial blast occurred at 01:23 AM, therefore 36 hours after the blast would be 01:23 PM, which is certainly not an early daylight hour. ] (]) 19:30, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
** Pet peeve: The table in Release and spread of radioactive materials; moreover it omits many countries, the primary source of the secondary source cited has more lines, but I think a map would be better. The popular one seems copyrighted and I'm not sure if it'd fall under a non-free use exception, I tried to ask the EC for permission... but actually we'd have to get permission also from Ukrainian and Russian governments, seems possible but a tall order.
* Revisit each remaining section with further-information or main-article link and make sure that each such section only provides key summary in the main article and details are moved to the specialized article.
] (]) 21:09, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

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Section sizes
Section size for Chernobyl disaster (65 sections)
Section name Byte
count
Section
total
(Top) 9,504 9,504
Accident sequence 25 50,281
Background 20 19,122
Reactor cooling after shutdown 5,676 5,676
Safety test 2,517 2,517
Test delay and shift change 3,852 3,852
Unexpected drop of the reactor power 4,184 4,184
Reactor conditions priming the accident 2,873 2,873
Accident 18 15,325
Test execution 1,801 1,801
Reactor shutdown and power excursion 6,042 6,042
Explosions 7,464 7,464
Possible causes for the second explosion 949 5,626
Fizzled nuclear explosion hypothesis 4,677 4,677
Immediate response 27 9,015
Fire containment 6,823 6,823
Radiation levels 2,165 2,165
Accident investigation 1,168 1,168
Crisis management 25 35,909
Evacuation 7,438 7,438
Official announcement 6,553 6,553
Core meltdown risk mitigation 434 11,924
Bubbler pools 8,396 8,396
Foundation protection measures 3,094 3,094
Site cleanup 21 6,877
Debris removal 2,919 2,919
Construction of the sarcophagus 2,187 2,187
Investigations of the reactor condition 1,750 1,750
Area cleanup 3,092 3,092
Site remediation 1,980 31,756
No. 4 reactor confinement 5,089 5,089
Waste management 2,854 7,709
Fuel-containing materials 4,855 4,855
Exclusion zone 5,367 8,845
Forest fire concerns 3,478 3,478
Recovery projects 3,912 3,912
Tourism 4,221 4,221
Long-term effects 22 85,054
Release and spread of radioactive materials 10,834 17,328
Relative isotopic abundances 6,494 6,494
Environmental impact 124 22,675
Water bodies 4,536 4,536
Flora, fauna, and funga 5,656 5,656
Human food chain 7,158 7,158
Precipitation on distant high ground 5,201 5,201
Human impact 514 39,222
Acute radiation effects and immediate aftermath 2,495 2,495
Long-term impact 1,988 1,988
Effects of main harmful radionuclides 3,620 3,620
Disputed investigation 2,246 2,246
Withdrawn investigation 2,624 2,624
Abortions 6,935 6,935
Cancer assessments 12,752 12,752
Other disorders 2,488 2,488
Long-term radiation deaths 3,560 3,560
Socio-economic impact 5,807 5,807
Significance 20 12,595
Nuclear debate 8,087 8,087
In popular culture 4,488 4,488
See also 526 526
Notes 31 31
References 30 239
Works cited 209 209
Further reading 79 79
External links 3,237 3,237
Total 229,211 229,211


Grammar

The fist sentence should read: "At the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in the city of Pripyat, located in the then Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic of the Soviet Union (USSR)" instead of: "at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in the city of Pripyat, then located in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic of the Soviet Union (USSR)". It did not physically move.

The section titled "Social Economic Effects" should be renamed to "socioeconomic effects" to reflect proper terminology.

minor but this is the English language page "Numerous structural and construction quality issues, as well as deviations from the original plant design, had been known to KGB since at least 1973 and passed on to the Central Committee, which take no action and classified the information." should be "been known to the KGB... which took no action"

Containing fire

The timeline says all fires were contained at 6:35 - this should probably mention "fires around the power plant": The core continued to burn days after, but there is no description what measures really lead to containing the fire inside the reactor. It just says "It is now known that virtually none of the neutron absorbers reached the core." It is not clear what really stopped the fire.

decay heat was the "fire" and it "stopped" being "red hot" like decay heat always does. With time.

Grammar edit request

There's a rather extended high-comma-count "sentence" with what looks to be a misspelling.

The expected highest body activity was in the first few years, were the unabated ingestion of local food, primarily milk consumption, resulted in the transfer of activity from soil to body, after the dissolution of the USSR, the now reduced scale initiative to monitor the human body activity in these regions of Ukraine, recorded a small and gradual half-decadal-long rise, in internal committed dose, before returning to the previous trend of observing ever lower body counts each year.

minimal-change improvement:

The expected highest body activity was in the first few years, where the unabated ingestion of local food (primarily milk) resulted in the transfer of activity from soil to body. After the dissolution of the USSR, the now reduced scale initiative to monitor the human body activity in these regions of Ukraine recorded a small and gradual half-decadal-long rise in internal committed dose before returning to the previous trend of observing ever lower body counts each year.

length of lead

This has come up before, see..

https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Chernobyl_disaster/Archive_13#Lead_too_long

Dougsim

Grammar

The first sentence of the sub-section "Fuel-containing materials" has a grammatical error. The first sentence reads "About 95% of the fuel in reactor No. 4 at the time of the accident." This is obviously not a complete sentence. It is unclear to me what the original literary intent of this clause was. This half-sentence could be removed without impeding the reader's understanding of the following text. CALPHone (talk) 19:33, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Under the "In popular culture" section, it says THQ produced STALKER, this is not true GSC Gameworld, a Ukrainian video games developer, produced it. Wikipedianikolas (talk) 16:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done The article doesn't say THQ produced the game, it says it released it, which according to the game's article would appear to be true. With that said, I'm of the opinion that a video game's developer is usually far more responsible for it than its publisher, so I added a few words that include GSC's role. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 20:07, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Getting this to a Good Article state

After few years, I have come back to the article and made a variety of significant edits, mainly simplifying the overall layout. My goal would be to get this article to a state where it can be nominated to a Good Article and a Featured Article - seems worthwhile given the importance of the event as well as this article being in the Top 100 visited articles.

I'm not sure how much time I can invest into this of course, but seeing a variety of activity from others recently inspired me and I thought I'd start a collaborative checklist below. Feel free to edit it further, or cross out things that are done!

  • Update the Background with key information about RBMK and the ChNPP.
  • Update the Impact section with information about impact on Soviet Union (some of it may be moved from the Socio-economic impact section?)
  • Reconcile the Long-term effects section with the Effects of the Chernobyl disaster article. There is significant overlap but also differences, and I believe the section would benefit from trimming down details.
    • Pet peeve: The table in Release and spread of radioactive materials; moreover it omits many countries, the primary source of the secondary source cited has more lines, but I think a map would be better. The popular one seems copyrighted and I'm not sure if it'd fall under a non-free use exception, I tried to ask the EC for permission... but actually we'd have to get permission also from Ukrainian and Russian governments, seems possible but a tall order.
  • Revisit each remaining section with further-information or main-article link and make sure that each such section only provides key summary in the main article and details are moved to the specialized article.

Pasky (talk) 21:09, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

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