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== Willkie == |
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FDR and Willkie had discussed the formation of a hybrid party ahead of the 1944 election. However, Willkie had died before anything could be made final. ] (]) 14:57, 19 September 2023 (UTC) |
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== Claim that FDR plotted to murder several FBI agents. == |
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I know Mark Dice is not a reliable source, and neither is YouTube, but I just thought that for the sake of completeness, I should mention this on this talk page. |
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For what it's worth Mark Dice claims that some files associated with J Edgar Hoover show that FDR plotted to cause the deaths of several FBI agents, because they knew too much about Eleanor's alleged infidelity. I don't believe this for a second, but a definitive debunking would be welcomed by me, and perhaps should be considered for inclusion in the article. |
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In his YouTube video, "Here's What Trump Is Up Against Now, And It's NOT Pretty!" (The Misplaced Pages software won't let me link to YouTube.) |
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Mark Dice says, according to the transcript: |
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that he personally ordered all of the |
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agents who worked on the case to be sent |
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to the South Pacific during World War II |
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to fight against the Japanese quote |
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until they were killed historians admit |
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have made changes to prevent such abuses |
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from continuing which we all know is a |
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" ] (]) 02:54, 7 October 2023 (UTC) |
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== Racial disparityist? == |
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Roosevelt is a person with significant achievements, but he also had negative aspects. He may have held racially discriminatory beliefs. |
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In a private conversation with the British Ambassador to the United States, Ronald Hugh Campbell, he asserted that 'the Japanese skull is about 2,000 years behind us in development,' and he told Campbell, 'Once we defeat Japan, we should encourage intermarriage with other races by all means to evolve their backward brains. |
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Thorne, Christopher G. (1979). Allies of a kind: the United States, Britain, and the war against Japan, 1941-1945. Oxford University Press. pp. 158-159,167-168. |
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The existence of Japanese internment camps in the United States and in countries in Central and South America under U.S. influence may have been driven by racially discriminatory beliefs. How evaluate ones this is a matter of personal choice, but at the very least, it is desirable to leave Roosevelt's statements as material for discussion. ] (]) 05:15, 28 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:To put things bluntly, it's quite obvious that FDR was racist; the internment camps alone prove the guy was prejudiced against the Japanese. Your quotes only add more evidence for this. What I'm not sure of is where to implement such words. ] (] / ]) 05:48, 28 October 2023 (UTC) |
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== Territories controlled by the Allies and Axis Of Power == |
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In the description about FDR’s presidency 1933-45, the second image of territory control during WW2 does not mention “territory controlled by” making Norway look as if it was part of the Axis Of Power. It most certainly was not and was only occupied by the Axis. Please add the additional information. Thanks. ] (]) 01:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:: Map is accurate. It shows territory controlled by Axis. Germany had full control of Norway, with a Quisling government. ] (]) 03:41, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Inclusion of the ] == |
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== edit request on September 20 2024 == |
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Hey {{u|Nikkimaria}}, if I may ask, what was your reasoning for removing the mention of the ] in your ? Since there is no edit summary explanation, I thought it best to ask here. |
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According to the White House: "In 1928 Roosevelt became Governor of New York." Not 1929,yet this article says 1929.https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/franklin-d-roosevelt/ ] (]) 18:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC) |
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The section removed was in the death section with the following text: |
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"{{tq|Coincidentally, on April 12, 1945, a ] occurred in the United States, which killed 128 people and injured over a thousand others. The tornado outbreak included the fourth deadliest tornado in Oklahoma history, which leveled a third of the town of ]. Roosevelt's death overshadowed what would have "commanded national media attention" for a while.<ref name="Grazulis">{{cite book|last1=Grazulis|first1=Thomas P.|author-link=Thomas P. Grazulis|title=Significant Tornadoes, 1680–1991: A Chronology and Analysis of Events|date=July 1993|publisher=The Tornado Project of Environmental Films|location=]|isbn=1-879362-03-1|page=919}}</ref><ref name="Top 10 Deadliest NWS">{{cite web |title=Top Ten Deadliest Oklahoma Tornadoes (1882-Present) |url=https://www.weather.gov/oun/tornadodata-ok-deadliest |publisher=National Weather Service in Norman, Oklahoma |access-date=August 14, 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230814191757/https://www.weather.gov/oun/tornadodata-ok-deadliest |archive-date=August 14, 2023 |url-status=live}}</ref> Tornado expert ] said that, "even nearby newspapers had more information on the death of the President than on the tornado".<ref name="Grazulis"/>}} |
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the line "In ], he ], one entire term before the ]." Seems either oddly worded or outright misleading. The Amendment was a reaction to his tenure, he didn't slip in another term before it came into effect. This should probably reworded to it being the first third term of a US president. Then after the sentence about his fourth term and death, the 22nd Amendement could be mentioned as part of his legacy. Its also more than "one entire term", it only took effect in 1951. — ] (]) 16:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC) |
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I will note, even the U.S. government acknowledged his death overshadowing the tornado (2nd source). |
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:Ah, I just tried fixing this before checking the talk page and noting someone else had raised the same objection. Agreed, the way it was written was a problem, given that presidential term limits didn't come into effect until several years after his death. ] (]) 10:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hi ], this mention is important to the article on the subject of the tornado outbreak, but it's not particularly so for this article. ] (]) 03:36, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::If I may ask, why do you think it is not important to even mention? It was a circumstance that occurred at the same time as his death and it is documented that his death directly overshadowed one of the worst disasters in Oklahoma history. Obviously not the same magnitude or scale, but imagine if a death of a U.S. president overshadowed ]'s media coverage. To me, that at least warrants a mention (not much, just those few sentences) since his death resulted in something that RS cover fairly well. I would love to hear your thoughts on this though. '''The ]''' (] 03:41, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:: Historians do not mention the tornado episode in their biographies. It has its own page ] & goes on the 1945 page. ] (]) 03:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:::(Respectful comment) – So, biographies dictate what goes in this article? Publications in academic sources, non-biography books, or publications from the U.S. government cannot be sources in the article? Just asking, because that is the sources directly linking his death being the overshadow for the outbreak. '''The ]''' (] 03:49, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:::: That's an oversimplification; those types of sources most definitely could be used. The issue here is that the tornado isn't relevant to FDR himself. It's not like he perished in that. You'd be better off placing the overshadow bit in the tornado's page instead. ] (] / ]) 03:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Well I'll continue to disagree, but I see that consensus says to keep it out of the article. Guess that solves that. Cheers y'all! '''The ]''' (] 04:00, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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why is the ] not included in the article? I remember there was some discussion regarding presidential templates, but its still there for other presidents I checked? |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2024 == |
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Also, is there a reason why FDR has no separate legacy or public image article like most recent presidents? This article is more readable than some modern ones but some sections could really use more detail explored in a separate article. |
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February 4, 1932 as governor of New York, Franklin D. Roosevelt opened the 1932 Winter Olympics, nine months before he would be elected president of the United States. |
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The information is on this site: |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/1932_Winter_Olympics ] (]) 02:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:I don't know whether this is worth mentioning on FDR's bio page, but either way we can't use other Misplaced Pages articles as citations per WP:CIRCULAR. ] (] / ]) 04:30, 3 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Which mom? == |
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== Article for his death == |
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I think that Rosevelt's death should have its own separate article, as for the rest of the presidents who died in office. Do I have the green light to make an article about this? ] (]) 21:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC) |
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"In 1903, Franklin proposed to Eleanor. Following resistance from Roosevelt's mother, Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt were married on March 17, 1905." |
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They both had the same last name, so it's unclear who's mother resisted the marriage. ] (]) 16:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:This meant Sara, and I've changed "Roosevelt's" to "his" accordingly. It would be impossible for that to be Anna when she already had died long before the couple got together. ] (] / ]) 17:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Also, is there a reason why FDR has no separate legacy or public image article like most recent presidents? This article is more readable than some modern ones but some sections could really use more detail explored in a separate article.
I think that Rosevelt's death should have its own separate article, as for the rest of the presidents who died in office. Do I have the green light to make an article about this? DementiaGaming (talk) 21:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
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