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== Inclusion of the ] == |
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Hey {{u|Nikkimaria}}, if I may ask, what was your reasoning for removing the mention of the ] in your ? Since there is no edit summary explanation, I thought it best to ask here. |
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The section removed was in the death section with the following text: |
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"{{tq|Coincidentally, on April 12, 1945, a ] occurred in the United States, which killed 128 people and injured over a thousand others. The tornado outbreak included the fourth deadliest tornado in Oklahoma history, which leveled a third of the town of ]. Roosevelt's death overshadowed what would have "commanded national media attention" for a while.<ref name="Grazulis">{{cite book|last1=Grazulis|first1=Thomas P.|author-link=Thomas P. Grazulis|title=Significant Tornadoes, 1680–1991: A Chronology and Analysis of Events|date=July 1993|publisher=The Tornado Project of Environmental Films|location=]|isbn=1-879362-03-1|page=919}}</ref><ref name="Top 10 Deadliest NWS">{{cite web |title=Top Ten Deadliest Oklahoma Tornadoes (1882-Present) |url=https://www.weather.gov/oun/tornadodata-ok-deadliest |publisher=National Weather Service in Norman, Oklahoma |access-date=August 14, 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230814191757/https://www.weather.gov/oun/tornadodata-ok-deadliest |archive-date=August 14, 2023 |url-status=live}}</ref> Tornado expert ] said that, "even nearby newspapers had more information on the death of the President than on the tornado".<ref name="Grazulis"/>}} |
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I will note, even the U.S. government acknowledged his death overshadowing the tornado (2nd source). |
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{{Reflist-talk}} '''The ]''' (] 03:35, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hi ], this mention is important to the article on the subject of the tornado outbreak, but it's not particularly so for this article. ] (]) 03:36, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::If I may ask, why do you think it is not important to even mention? It was a circumstance that occurred at the same time as his death and it is documented that his death directly overshadowed one of the worst disasters in Oklahoma history. Obviously not the same magnitude or scale, but imagine if a death of a U.S. president overshadowed ]'s media coverage. To me, that at least warrants a mention (not much, just those few sentences) since his death resulted in something that RS cover fairly well. I would love to hear your thoughts on this though. '''The ]''' (] 03:41, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:: Historians do not mention the tornado episode in their biographies. It has its own page ] & goes on the 1945 page. ] (]) 03:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:::(Respectful comment) – So, biographies dictate what goes in this article? Publications in academic sources, non-biography books, or publications from the U.S. government cannot be sources in the article? Just asking, because that is the sources directly linking his death being the overshadow for the outbreak. '''The ]''' (] 03:49, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:::: That's an oversimplification; those types of sources most definitely could be used. The issue here is that the tornado isn't relevant to FDR himself. It's not like he perished in that. You'd be better off placing the overshadow bit in the tornado's page instead. ] (] / ]) 03:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Well I'll continue to disagree, but I see that consensus says to keep it out of the article. Guess that solves that. Cheers y'all! '''The ]''' (] 04:00, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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February 4, 1932 as governor of New York, Franklin D. Roosevelt opened the 1932 Winter Olympics, nine months before he would be elected president of the United States. |
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The information is on this site: |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/1932_Winter_Olympics ] (]) 02:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:I don't know whether this is worth mentioning on FDR's bio page, but either way we can't use other Misplaced Pages articles as citations per WP:CIRCULAR. ] (] / ]) 04:30, 3 March 2024 (UTC) |
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"In 1903, Franklin proposed to Eleanor. Following resistance from Roosevelt's mother, Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt were married on March 17, 1905." |
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According to the White House: "In 1928 Roosevelt became Governor of New York." Not 1929,yet this article says 1929.https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/franklin-d-roosevelt/ ] (]) 18:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC) |
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They both had the same last name, so it's unclear who's mother resisted the marriage. ] (]) 16:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:This meant Sara, and I've changed "Roosevelt's" to "his" accordingly. It would be impossible for that to be Anna when she already had died long before the couple got together. ] (] / ]) 17:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2024 == |
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the line "In ], he ], one entire term before the ]." Seems either oddly worded or outright misleading. The Amendment was a reaction to his tenure, he didn't slip in another term before it came into effect. This should probably reworded to it being the first third term of a US president. Then after the sentence about his fourth term and death, the 22nd Amendement could be mentioned as part of his legacy. Its also more than "one entire term", it only took effect in 1951. — ] (]) 16:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC) |
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There should be two 's in the name throughout; currently, there is one instance (in the sidebar) where it's misspelled as . ] (]) 20:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:Ah, I just tried fixing this before checking the talk page and noting someone else had raised the same objection. Agreed, the way it was written was a problem, given that presidential term limits didn't come into effect until several years after his death. ] (]) 10:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp -->. Thanks for noticing that! ] (] · ]) at 21:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2024 == |
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why is the ] not included in the article? I remember there was some discussion regarding presidential templates, but its still there for other presidents I checked? |
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Change: “ The attack on Pearl Harbor raised concerns among the public regarding the possibility of sabotage by Japanese Americans. This suspicion was fed by long-standing racism against Japanese immigrants, as well as the findings of the Roberts Commission, which concluded that the attack on Pearl Harbor had been assisted by Japanese spies.” |
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Also, is there a reason why FDR has no separate legacy or public image article like most recent presidents? This article is more readable than some modern ones but some sections could really use more detail explored in a separate article. |
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To: “…This suspicion was fed by long-standing racism against Japanese immigrants. Though there was no evidence in the Robert’s Commission, established to investigate the attack on Pearl Harbor, to support media speculation and racist, anti-Japanese political rhetoric from politicians like California Governor Cubert L. Olson, the Commission report was co-opted to falsely legitimize anti-Japanese sentiment and racial oppression.” ] (]) 09:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Wrong name == |
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== Article for his death == |
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I can’t change it but in the marriage section of the page it says princess Märtha of Norway when it links to and should be princess Märtha of Sweden ] (]) 18:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC) |
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I think that Rosevelt's death should have its own separate article, as for the rest of the presidents who died in office. Do I have the green light to make an article about this? ] (]) 21:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for commenting. I looked this up, and in the cited, ''Franklin and Eleanor: An Extraordinary Marriage'' author Hazel Rowley says she was Norwegian. I think the link will take you to page 242, where she is first mentioned. ] (]) 03:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::I looked into this a little more and from I can tell we’re both half-right she was born in to the Swedish royal family and married into the Norwegian royal family ] (]) 19:09, 5 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::But yes the title is correct in the article and doesn’t need change ] (]) 19:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Ah, yes, I see the confusion. Thanks for getting back with me. I see this has been debated at ]. Cheers! ] (]) 15:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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Also, is there a reason why FDR has no separate legacy or public image article like most recent presidents? This article is more readable than some modern ones but some sections could really use more detail explored in a separate article.
I think that Rosevelt's death should have its own separate article, as for the rest of the presidents who died in office. Do I have the green light to make an article about this? DementiaGaming (talk) 21:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
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