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	== Extended-protected edit request, 30 December 2023 ==

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	Greece should be removed from the infobox, since it didn't let the U.S. use its bases to support the airlift in 1973.

	"During the 1973 Yom Kippur war, the U.S. arms airlift to Israel was seriously complicated by the denial of transit bases in Spain, Turkey, and Greece and overflight rights in other NATO areas."



	"On October 22, 1973, MAC changed the route to fly south of Crete, to comply with a request from the Greek Government...... This zigzagging route was used because the United States could not obtain diplomatic clearance to use bases, which MAC usually used, in the United Kingdom, Spain, Italy, Greece and Turkey."



	"Secondly, during the October 1973 War, Greece observed strict neutrality and refused land, air or port facilities for the airlift of American supplies to Israel. As the Greek Foreign Minister flatly stated, U.S. bases in Greece had "nothing to do with the Arab-Israeli war'."

	-- ] (]) 21:58, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
	:] '''Not done for now:''' please establish a ] for this alteration ''']''' using the {{Tlx\|Edit semi-protected}} template. ] (]) 22:14, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

	:{{done}} I checked the source given in the infobox and found that it also emphasises Greek neutrality in 1973. So there is no case for keeping it. I'll also take the opportunity to complain in general about the "Supported by" sections of these infoboxes, which often list countries whose contribution was trivial. "Portugal" should be checked too. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 04:06, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

	== Greece ==

	Greece did not support Israel in the 1973 war, it declared neutrality and didn't allow the U.S. to use its bases for the airlift, it should be removed from the infobox. -- ] (]) 22:36, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

	:Can you provide a ] source for this?]<sup>(]\|])</sup> 02:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

	== Map needs Yemen ==

⚫	~~Map~~ ~~needs Ansar Allah in Yemen.~~ ] (]) 23:01, 15 ~~January~~ 2024 (UTC)

	== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 February 2024 ==		== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 February 2024 ==
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	:Palestinians are Arabs, not Arabs are Palestinians. Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the core of this conflict. ] (]) 04:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)		:Palestinians are Arabs, not Arabs are Palestinians. Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the core of this conflict. ] (]) 04:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

			== Portugal involvement? ==

			can anyone let me know what was Portugal's involvement in the conflict? ] (]) 10:28, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

			== Double check death toll source? ==

			Not too harsh on me if this is an obvious non-issue.

			leads to a (ridiculously biased, but that's besides the point) website that has uncited death tolls for its totals.

			The figures they give aren't ''too wild,'' save for a <u>couple thousand inflated up or down</u> but I do want to know where it actually sources its figures from. ] (]) 15:05, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
			:The source has been removed . See the JVL entry at ]. JVL is designated as 'generally unreliable' in Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 01:20, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
			: That JVL article is a fine example of why JVL should not be used as a source. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 01:21, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
		⚫	::Thanks y'all! ] (]) 15:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

			== Main Phase ==

			Why has the main phase been edited to ongoing? It very clearly ended in 1982. There are no Arab armies clashing with Israel anymore. This should be rectified. ] (]) 00:44, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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For Belligerents on Arab side- Please add Pakistan (1948-Present) Please see the following for reference: Kumaraswamy, P. R. “Pakistan and the Arab-Israeli Conflict.” Beyond the Veil: Israel-Pakistan Relations, Institute for National Security Studies, 2000, pp. 20–29. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep08947.6. Accessed 17 Feb. 2024.

Rh272 (talk) 06:45, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Not done: The source says "Pakistan has a mixed and complex track record concerning the Arab- Israeli conflict" and "various Pakistani leaders have pursued a pragmatic approach toward Israel and its conflict with the Arabs". Skitash (talk) 11:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

References

Kumaraswamy, P. R. “Pakistan and the Arab-Israeli Conflict.” Beyond the Veil: Israel-Pakistan Relations, Institute for National Security Studies, 2000, pp. 20–29. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep08947.6. Accessed 17 Feb. 2024.

Update info in the Template

In the Israeli side,

There are over 5,000 Israeli civilian victims. Only in 1947-2022 over 4,200 Israeli civilians were killed, not including over 800 Israeli civilians were killed in 2023. Showing less than 1,800 Israeli civilians were killed is misleading. IdanST (talk) 16:27, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

In the Arab side, the most recent estimate of Arab deaths in the Israel–Hamas war is 186,000. Source: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.129.246.100 (talk) 23:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

The 186,000 number is not 'the most recent estimate of Arab deaths in the Israel–Hamas war'. It is a projection based on a various assumptions. Sean.hoyland (talk) 08:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Subset

@Parham wiki: What argument are you basing this claim on? The Israeli-Palestinian conflict dates back to early 1900s, meanwhile first instance of the Arab-Israeli conflict came later around 1920. Also, Jordan and Egypt making peace with Israel clearly hasn't solved the IP conflict. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Palestinians are Arabs, not Arabs are Palestinians. Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the core of this conflict. Parham wiki (talk) 04:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Portugal involvement?

can anyone let me know what was Portugal's involvement in the conflict? 93.102.33.60 (talk) 10:28, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Double check death toll source?

Not too harsh on me if this is an obvious non-issue.

Citation 18 leads to a (ridiculously biased, but that's besides the point) website that has uncited death tolls for its totals.

The figures they give aren't too wild, save for a couple thousand inflated up or down but I do want to know where it actually sources its figures from. MagiTagi (talk) 15:05, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

The source has been removed here. See the JVL entry at Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources. JVL is designated as 'generally unreliable' in Misplaced Pages. Sean.hoyland (talk) 01:20, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

That JVL article is a fine example of why JVL should not be used as a source. Zero 01:21, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks y'all! MagiTagi (talk) 15:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Main Phase

Why has the main phase been edited to ongoing? It very clearly ended in 1982. There are no Arab armies clashing with Israel anymore. This should be rectified. Zagreus99 (talk) 00:44, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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