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| == This one looks like a mix-up to me == | |||
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| I see that someone last year merged a separate DAB page into ], which IMO is not very helpful because the films and TV series are right down the bottom, and many of the names have more than one blue link, etc. Does anyone else think that they should be separated again? ] (]) 23:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| This seems to me to be a particularly bad example of something not being an actual disambiguation page, but I am at a loss for a solution. ] ] 22:06, 14 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | == Requested move of ] == | ||
| :It's functioning as an index to articles relevant to the topic of child protection that in most cases someone using the search term "child protection" might be looking for (putting aside for now any quibbles about specific inclusions/exclusions). That's definitely a valuable page to have even if it doesn't strictly fit the arbitrary rules about what can be called a "disambiguation page". Unless anyone can explain what actual (not theoretical) harm it's doing then leaving it as is seems like the best solution. ] (]) 00:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :: I agree that it is functioning as an index, and should therefore be at a title like ], or the like. These are not ambiguous topics sharing a name. ] ] 02:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::That title wouldn't be navigationally helpful. ] (]) 01:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::: For navigability, we could just merge this list of national child protection agencies into ], then. ] ] 13:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 21:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC) | ||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| <small>[doing this manually since RMCloser doesn't give me the option of notifying this project for some reason</small> | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 03:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | == Requested move at ] == | ||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] |
] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] 16:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC) | ||
| ==Discussion at ]== | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ] You are invited to join the discussion at ]. <span class="nowrap">—''']'''</span> <sup class="nowrap">(] • {]•]})</sup> 13:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)<!-- ] --> | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] 18:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. --] ] 01:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == All caps == | |||
| ] vs ]. Is having two separate dabs be justified in this case? ] (]) 19:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Given there are just 7 entries and three see also (excluding those to each other) between the two pages, I would be in favour of merging. Probably to ] as that's the longer of the two. ] (]) 21:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Does this need a merging discussion in the talk pages? ] (]) 00:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::If you think it will be controversial, yes start a formal merge discussion. If you think it will be uncontroversial, no - just be bold and do it. A middle ground would be to just leave pointers on the talk page to this discussion and wait a few days to see what the response (if any) is. Personally, I'd wait until circa 24 hours after you asked the question here and then just do if there have been no objections as I'd be surprised if it was controversial at all. ] (]) 01:43, 10 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I personally thought there was a policy on such cases. Because I don't know a another similar case alike. ] (]) 01:45, 10 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::We have ] which is a guideline that deals with capitalisation differences in the first bullet. It's worded more strongly than I remembered, but it basically says to combine topics that differ only in capitalisation unless the combined page would be "unreasonably long", giving ] as an example of a combined dab page (that covers Oe, OE and various ligatures and variants with diacritics). "Unreasonably long" isn't defined, but a combined REGI/Regi dab will definitely not be. ] (]) 01:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :I would think of it this way - how likely is it that the average reader distinguishes these two, can we see a separate pattern of traffic for each group? | |||
| :If we merge, will this improve navigation for both groups or make it worse? | |||
| :With 2+5=7 items total, it probably doesn't matter, but if a list grows, it becomes a concern. We recently mentioned something like this at ] where there were examples with 28 and 46 items. --] (]) 07:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 03:20, 23 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Primary topic? == | |||
| I've just created ] as a DAB because it was redirecting to a rather obscure organisation, and its main use is clearly the National Live Music Awards. Just wondering if the latter should be a primary topic in this case, being an initialism? ] (]) 00:37, 27 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| : don't support that. If anything, views indicate the 'obscure' organization might just be the primary topic. ] ≠ ] 00:50, 27 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::But that's because NMLA was redirecting to that page. The Australian music awards are nearly always referred to as the NLMAs, so many people would be searching on that term. (And if you search on the abbreviation or full name, you will see how many mentions there are on Misplaced Pages.) ] (]) 06:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::Sorry, but the total views for the awards are nowhere near that of the group. The initialism gets very little . It is possible that the recent move has somehow totally screwed the results. We can see in another month or two if there is any change. ] ≠ ] 10:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Oh, that's weird. Google doesn't turn up much about that organisation, and seems rather out of date. Okay, thanks. I'll make a note to check out the stats again in a few weeks' time. ] (]) 11:30, 27 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Previously NLMA led to ], and if the Australian awards were "clearly" the main use I'd expect to find a lot of readers navigating onwards from there to the ]. But the data for September don't support this: there's no sign of any readers leaving the Movement page to go to the Awards. Nor to the Medical Association. It looks to me as if the Movement is probably the primary topic, so the redirect should continue to go there and the dab page be amended accordingly. Or just leave the dab page as is. | |||
| :Just for interest, Googling "NLMA" from here in the UK I get hits for the ] coming top, with a few other organisations, he Aussie awards are on the third page, and I haven't yet found the Movement by the end of the 5th page. | |||
| :Probably best leave the dab page as it now is. ]] 13:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Based solely on my google results for <kbd>"NLMA" -Misplaced Pages</kbd> (I'm also in the UK), the Newfoundland and Labrador Medical Association would be the clear primary topic. Down to page 8 I've not seen any results for the other two topics that were listed on the dab. I did see a couple of results for the Taiwanese ] that I've added to the dab page though. | |||
| ::I repeated the same search on Duck Duck Go on tor (the exit node geolocated to the Netherlands) and got similar results - the only one of the topics on the first four pages (longer than Google's pages) was the medical association, although the ] (about which we have only a single passing mention at ]; I haven't investigated its notability) also got lots of results. ] (]) 22:00, 27 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::Interesting - thanks, {{u|PamD}} and {{u|Thryduulf}}. I wouldn't expect the Australian awards to pop up in UK searches really - such a small population here that the hits would be relatively small on Google. I'm not sure exactly how that wikinav tool works, but if I searched for NMLA in the search box on the app and it showed the liberation movement, as it does for redirects, I wouldn't go there, but would try another search on the long name. Anyhow, if everyone is happy to leave as is for a month or so, I will return to it and have another look. ] (]) 01:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Population isn't the only factor (Australia: 27.5 million, Newfoundland and Labrador: 510,000) and Australia does come up in search results in the UK for other matters, e.g. the primary topic for "APRA" in my UK-based google searches is ]. ] (]) 03:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| The US DOJ should be primary for both ] and ]. Thoughts? ] (]) 20:56, 27 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Just googling <kbd>DOJ -Misplaced Pages</kbd> did bring up the US department first, but more entries on the first page related to the Northern Ireland department, the second page also brought entries for the Indian and South African departments and page 3 introduced the California, Ontario and Western Australian departments so I'm not seeing evidence of a primary topic. ] (]) 21:18, 27 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Over 85% of to ] goes on to the US DOJ. ] ≠ ] 22:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :] gets almost no hits,, but should probably point to the same place as ] for consistency and to enable deletion of the unnecessary hatnote on ]. - ] (]) 04:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == individual ambiguity-related RMs vs. big picture == | |||
| Compare and contrast :) | |||
| * ] | |||
| ** a notorious science topic is voted primary topic redirect target for a simpler word, despite popular entertainment topics (+ huge spike of interest with the latter) and different general English meanings | |||
| * ] + ] | |||
| ** a science topic of some significance is voted to be removed as primary topic because of different general English meanings (+ huge spike of interest in entertainment topics not discussed at the time of RM) | |||
| * ] | |||
| ** a popular entertainment topic is voted primary topic for a simple word, despite a history of significant non-entertainment topics and a different general English meaning | |||
| Our processes don't seem to result in a general consistency, despite that being one of the ]. --] (]) 09:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :The article title consistency criterium applies to ''pattern of similar article's'' with specific reference to '']''. Seeking any sort of more general consistency on Misplaced Pages is a fool's errand. ] ≠ ] 10:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::That last part may well be true, but at least we have to try, because we are still maintaining a single global article namespace and readers are going to notice if it's messy. --] (]) 11:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
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This one looks like a mix-up to me
I see that someone last year merged a separate DAB page into Manny, which IMO is not very helpful because the films and TV series are right down the bottom, and many of the names have more than one blue link, etc. Does anyone else think that they should be separated again? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Requested move of Teardown (video game)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Teardown_(video_game)#Requested_move_22_November_2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. JuniperChill (talk) 21:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Superstack#Requested move 23 October 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Superstack#Requested move 23 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Frost 16:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Redirects for discussion#Is RFD a valid forum to discuss cases of PTOPIC disambiguation pages?
You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Redirects for discussion#Is RFD a valid forum to discuss cases of PTOPIC disambiguation pages?. —CX Zoom 13:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)