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| == Canvassing == | |||
| == Misplaced Pages Command Center == | |||
| On October 2023, {{u|דוד שי}} (David Shay) announced a WhatsApp group to "fight" against anti-Israel bias in English Misplaced Pages. According to the announcement on Hebrew Misplaced Pages , the group seems to be coordinated by {{u|שלומית ליר}} (Shlomit Lir). It is also advertised on the Hebrew Misplaced Pages Facebook group, which is often moderated by {{u|Shani (WMF)}}. The group publicly self-styles itself as "Misplaced Pages Command Center", and seems to serve as a private coordination hub for pro-Israel editing, focusing on a list of English Misplaced Pages articles. Since the group references WikiProject Israel, I bring it up here. How does this group comply with ], ], ], etc? ] (]) 15:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm not too surprised given the prominence of the conflict. These are he-wiki users though so the question is what you think could/should be done here at en-wiki? ]<sub>]</sub> 21:21, 23 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::The group is focused on coordinating I/P editing on English Misplaced Pages, so it is relevant to this project. ] (]) 21:45, 23 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::<s>I guess the discussion might continue at ], since there is a longer discussion on canvassing efforts there. ] (]) 22:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC)</s> <small>(This topic might be partly out of scope there. ] (]) 06:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC))</small> | |||
| ::::This group is focused on writing encyclopedic entries related to Israel, not only about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, although it is also about it, and its goal is to bring to the attention of readers only correct and verified information. The group in no way engages in biasing of articles, in contrast to extensive pro-Palestinian activity on the English Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 02:16, 24 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Every special-interest group that organises to edit Misplaced Pages claims to only want to bring "correct and verified information". ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 03:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I do not dispute that you might discuss other articles, but the list of 35 English Misplaced Pages target articles publicly shared by the group is 100% about the Israel-Palestine conflict and, more specifically, about the 2023-2024 Israel-Gaza War. In any case, the policies and guidelines I linked in the original post apply regardless of how broad the interests of the group might be. ] (]) 06:03, 24 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I understand that the coordinators of this group have read this, since the group invite link has been revoked and the post recruiting people on the Hebrew Misplaced Pages Facebook group has been deleted. I assume there are no intentions to comply with English Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. Just do your thing with the IDF Spokeperson Unit, with EC gaming grinding short descriptions, etc. I must admit English Misplaced Pages cannot do much against sufficiently motivated actors engaged in long term manipulation. ] (]) 19:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::I agree with what your concerns, but given the imbalance of the editing that's happening here, they probably felt like they needed to do this in order to make things more balanced, not that 2 wrongs make a right. Unfortunately in the world we live in, there's a rush to come here and get a certain POV reflected and this people care less about Misplaced Pages than they do about their own agenda. So it becomes an arm race of which side has more editors to get their POV across. This isn't what Misplaced Pages is about, but given the principles it's built on, I guess it also kind of is. ] (]) 05:59, 2 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::The ] they published about anti-Israel bias is pure non-sense. The perception that Misplaced Pages and realiable sources contradict their positions is not a license to ignore project policies. There are, at least, three groups organized to covertly push for pro-Israel POV: the ], the "Misplaced Pages Command Center", and the "Misplaced Pages Lobby Group". The level of institutional support they are getting both within Wikimedia and from external organizations is unprecedented. So there is, indeed, an imbalance: the tolerance towards organized efforts by pro-Israel groups. ] (]) 07:12, 2 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::I hear you. Maybe the numbers required to be an Extended confirmed user need to be increased to 3 months and 1000 edits. Editors should be here because they want to contribute to Misplaced Pages, not because they have some axe to grind. Speaking of which, I see you are a page reviewer. Would you be able to have a look at ]? Thankyou. ] (]) 07:17, 2 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::It's difficult to make accurate evidence-based statements about the dynamics or the current state of the topic area that avoid sampling bias, are independent of the observer and avoid hasty generalizations. I think the topic area is rather complicated, more like a forest canopy than a system with 2 opposing forces. It's good to have some humility about our ability construct true statements about balance and motivation etc. It may be better to focus on enforcing the simple rules than imagining we can grasp the complex dynamics. ] (]) 07:34, 2 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::To illustrate the complexity, of a tiny part of the topic area, starting at the Israel–Hamas war category as a root and mapping the network of subcats, articles, talk pages, templates etc. Even for that tiny substructure within the topic area, it seems pretty unlikely that broad statements about of balance and editor motives, are going to be accurate. ] (]) 08:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| There is a requested move at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 21:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Potential targeting of bios == | |||
| Starting today, a user has raised issues with multiple bios written for people killed on October 7. There may be genuine notability issues with some of these articles, but they also suggested that ] (which I wrote) be deleted. When I challenged this, they proposed deletions on two other articles I wrote, ] and ], on the grounds they were part of a "legitimization campaign". I bring this up here to ensure other eyes are on these articles, especially if deletion nominations are made, since I can't be sure that this user is working in good faith. | |||
| The other bios that this user has raised issues with are ], ], ], ], ], ], ], and ]. ] (]) 22:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Some of these individuals are clearly notable (like Vivian Silver, Jayar Davidov, etc.), while others may be more of an edge case, on one hand they are covered by reliable sources, but on the other hand most of that coverage is related to the October 7 events (see ]). ]<sub>]</sub> 15:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Are there good hebrew/israeli sources about Yehudit Karp (lawyer)? == | |||
| I think what I found in English is enough to establish notability, but I am not happy about some of the sources and am looking for something higher quality. ] (]) 09:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :The has many sources, including Haaretz and other newspapers. Lmk if you're looking for something specific. ]<sub>]</sub> 19:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thank you for the very kind offer, I’ll try working with translation and see if I can figure it out :) ] (]) 19:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Sidebar/Series for Bibi Netanyahu == | |||
| Hi, guys if anyone can help me in improving ]. Please tell me how does it look and is ready to create this template. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️<sup>(] ● ] ● ])</sup> 17:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == depopulated Palestinian villages == | |||
| Hello, the entries mentioned in ], ] and ] and other articles also in other languages do not have unified/appropriate properties in wikidata, , others are left as instances of "human settelment", "village" or "former human settlement", and with inconsistent (or non-existing property for) location, country ...etc, and a few have the properties relating to the timeframe of their depopulation. wikidata is still lacking/behind in some "technical" level such as describing the former population. But those still require consistency and inclusion of missing properties. | |||
| Adding appropriately consistent properties to the remaining hundreds of items as this is disregarded/underacknowledged information is vital for any general attempt for reflection/contextualization that is genuine. ] (]) 14:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Israel-Palestine and Indigeneity == | |||
| The concept of ] is often invoked in contemporary discourse on the ], but I don't see any article on the subject. Palestinians are often referred to as "Indigenous" by pro-Palestinian advocates and likewise Zionists often claim that Jewish people are "Indigenous" to the ]. I think there should be an article, but I'm not sure what the title should be. ] (]) 01:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Rivka Bayech == | |||
| If anyone here is a new page reviewer, if you could please take a look at ]. Thank you ] (]) 15:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == DJ Raphi == | |||
| Hello everyone! I'm asking for help with the article of Israeli artist ]. The sources of was questioned. Improvements have already been made, but it is still not approved. Thanks! ] (]) 13:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| It looks like there was (has been?) a large scale canvassing operation targeting Israel-related topics on Misplaced Pages, see . The first part of the article is not very convincing in my opinion but coordinating edits on Discord seems like a clear violation of the policy. ]<sub>]</sub> 19:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 09:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :It looks like they mention two different groups, the first they don't seem to name, the second being Tech for Palestine. It seems like most of Tech for Palestine's activities are transparent, including some past on-wiki coordination (see ]), but more concerningly, there's also coordination on a now-private Discord channel. It seems most evidence was deleted, though there are a few screenshots like in . {{yo|BilledMammal}} might have more information. — ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub>\<sup>]</sup> 20:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 09:45, 26 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::This isn't a forum, if there is evidence of something sanctionable, do the necessary. ] (]) 21:52, 25 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ::{{yo|Amayorov|Sean.hoyland}} just cc'ing you based on your related ]. — ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub>\<sup>]</sup> 21:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 09:47, 26 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::See also — ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub>\<sup>]</sup> 22:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::I agree the Tech for Palestine's channel for Misplaced Pages editing has a high likelihood of constituting improper canvassing. However, the issue would be stale if the channel is inactive. I have asked on the Discord server the status of their Misplaced Pages activities. ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 14:01, 26 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::They say they discontinued their Misplaced Pages editing channel due to doxxing. I believe the issue to be now stale. ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 12:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| <-Yes, I already read it. I learned that I am one of the top 30 members of this powerful group of pro-Hamas editors hijacking Misplaced Pages. So, I already know the author is either a bit dopey, dishonest or both. | |||
| * There is, no doubt, plenty of offsite coordination going on and there has been for years. We already know the use of deception and canvassing is relatively common among Israel supporters here of course, has been for well over a decade, and is seen as justified from an in-world perspective, so it wouldn't be surprising at all if these kinds of activities existed with the opposite valence. | |||
| * My view is that little to nothing can be done about it because it is not currently possible to prevent off-site coordination or any determined individual from editing in the topic area due to various technical and wiki-cultural constraints. For example, I believe that one of the people banned in the ] is currently active in the topic area, and Misplaced Pages's rather unserious approach to ban evasion, or the ranking of privacy over honesty, means that it can't be addressed. That's okay. Nobody died. | |||
| * Given the technical/cultural limits that can't be changed it seems, I would rather there was an emphasis on enforcing compliance with the Wikimedia Universal Code of Conduct's position that unacceptable behavior includes "systematically manipulating content to favour specific interpretations of facts or points of view" i.e. biased editing/activism. The normalization of biased editing/advocacy means that you naturally produce conjugate sets of editors with opposite valence forming something like an autocatalytic set or a self-sustaining fire. But again, anyone blocked for biased editing/advocacy/coordination/canvassing etc. can easily return with a new account and quickly become extended confirmed using numerous tools that Misplaced Pages provides to new users to get them started. | |||
| * On the article itself, it is hard for me to take it seriously as these kinds of conspiratorial, casually defamatory, attack pieces camouflaged as rational analyses remind me so much of antisemitic conspiracy theories and conversations I've had with street people over the years, including a man who believed he was John the Baptist. The primarily utility of these kinds of attack articles and low-quality media reporting about on-wiki-things for me personally, as someone interested in the dynamics of the topic area, is that they are a useful reminder of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect and they help to identify actors with an elevated susceptibility to misinformation and manipulation and/or a willingness to generate or inject disinformation into Misplaced Pages's systems either directly or by employing external vectors. ] (]) 03:45, 26 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks for your response. Indeed a lot of the article seems like guesswork, maybe poor guesswork. Just wondering if anyone had dug into this further to determine what actual evidence exists. | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| :To the extent that their is evidence of stealth canvassing, I think it should be acted on regardless of the editor's ideology. Certainly ban enforcement has its challenges, but that doesn't seem like enough reason to ignore rulebreaking. — ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub>\<sup>]</sup> 05:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 05:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::I'm also wondering if anyone has managed to have a detailed look at the Tech for Palestine activities to compile actual evidence of policy violations, and if not, why not. I guess the answer is no/not yet or else evidence would have been presented in the PIA5 discussions or at AE for specific editors by now since that information has been available for a while. I may be a lot more cynical than you when it comes to enforcing rules in PIA because I see sanctions/remedies as mostly performative nowadays. They appear to have little to no actual impact on the dynamics of the topic area over time unless they are machine enforceable like EC protection, and even then, the benefit is very limited. People enforcing rules in PIA doesn't seem to work. The main benefits of enforcement seem to be that it can be weaponized and exploited by partisan actors to keep the fires burning/take out perceived enemies and it provides reinforcement learning so that people get better at exploiting weaknesses in the system over time. I also think that much of what happens in the topic area, rule breaking or not, is not visible/goes unnoticed/is given a pass. This is evident from the number of edits ban evading accounts manage to make before they are blocked. ] (]) 07:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == RFC: ] == | |||
| == ] has an ]== | |||
| This RFC might interest contributors of this project. ''']'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">]</span> 19:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">]</div>''']''' has an RfC. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the ''']'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you. ]<sub>]</sub> 20:11, 28 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Sourcing for events at Kamal Adwan Hospital, Gaza == | |||
| == ] has an ] == | |||
| ] You are invited to join the discussion at ]. ☆ <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">]</span> (]) 03:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)<!-- ] --> | |||
| <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">]</div>''']''' has an RfC. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the ''']'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you. ''']] (])''' 05:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Discussion about "History of the Jews in ____" articles == | |||
| == WikiProject Jerusalem == | |||
| Hi everyone, I have just established the "] ", I am looking for editors who would like to join the effort. I guess there are relevant editors here. I would be delighted to see you join, advise and assist. Good Day.] (]) 08:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Please see ] dealing with articles about Jews and Jewish history. Thank you, ] (]) 17:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] 15:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ==SHARAP== | |||
| == ] == | |||
| I wonder if anyone feels like writing an article about this contentious subject? Or failing that a section for ]? All the best: ''] ]''<small> 16:40, 2 November 2024 (UTC).</small><br /> | |||
| == D. Grossman == | |||
| A non-] editor (]) has disputed my revert (on the basis of ]) of their changes at ]. I see the need for updates but will not undo my revert due to other issues with the edits. I don't have the bandwidth to address this, and am therefore notifying the project. See discussion at ]. Thanks, ] <sup>]</sup> 20:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Could anyone of you please start an article on him here on en.wp? There is a lot of info sourced to him. I asked , but he seems o be on a wiki break. The article about him on Hebrew wp is https://he.wikipedia.org/דוד_גרוסמן_(גאוגרף) Cheers, ] (]) 21:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| <small>Also, I encourage further discussion (if there is any) to occur here or at ] to avoid bugging Valereee. Thanks, ] <sup>]</sup> 20:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)</small> | |||
| == Articles about types of Jews as well as their histories == | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. The section is "]". | |||
| ] (]) 10:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Please see the discussion at ]. Thank you, ] (]) 20:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Feedback: Regional history of the Negev == | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| Hi,<br />] has asked me to draft something on the agricultural history of the Negev. Since there is no comprehensive history of the Negev that would have been necessary for this (and since the short sections on the history on the ] page do not align with current research), I have now drafted ] with a stronger focus on land use. Alexis thinks the page is ready for promotion to the mainspace. I am unsure for two reasons which are noted on the draft page. Would anyone like to give some feedback on this? ] (]) 13:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 17:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| == ] has an ]== | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 00:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">]</div>''']''' has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the ''']'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you. ] (]) 22:02, 29 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Please find sources. ] (]) 05:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Discussion at ] == | |||
| ] You are invited to join the discussion at ], which is within the scope of this WikiProject. <span style="color:#096450">''']''' ('']'' ★ '']'')</span> 15:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)<!--Template:WikiProject please see--> | |||
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Canvassing
It looks like there was (has been?) a large scale canvassing operation targeting Israel-related topics on Misplaced Pages, see here. The first part of the article is not very convincing in my opinion but coordinating edits on Discord seems like a clear violation of the policy. Alaexis¿question? 19:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like they mention two different groups, the first they don't seem to name, the second being Tech for Palestine. It seems like most of Tech for Palestine's activities are transparent, including some past on-wiki coordination (see here), but more concerningly, there's also coordination on a now-private Discord channel. It seems most evidence was deleted, though there are a few screenshots like in . @BilledMammal: might have more information. — xDanielx /C\ 20:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- This isn't a forum, if there is evidence of something sanctionable, do the necessary. Selfstudier (talk) 21:52, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Amayorov and Sean.hoyland: just cc'ing you based on your related discussion. — xDanielx /C\ 21:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- See also Inside the war over Israel at Misplaced Pages — xDanielx /C\ 22:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree the Tech for Palestine's channel for Misplaced Pages editing has a high likelihood of constituting improper canvassing. However, the issue would be stale if the channel is inactive. I have asked on the Discord server the status of their Misplaced Pages activities. Ca 14:01, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- They say they discontinued their Misplaced Pages editing channel due to doxxing. I believe the issue to be now stale. Ca 12:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
<-Yes, I already read it. I learned that I am one of the top 30 members of this powerful group of pro-Hamas editors hijacking Misplaced Pages. So, I already know the author is either a bit dopey, dishonest or both.
- There is, no doubt, plenty of offsite coordination going on and there has been for years. We already know the use of deception and canvassing is relatively common among Israel supporters here of course, has been for well over a decade, and is seen as justified from an in-world perspective, so it wouldn't be surprising at all if these kinds of activities existed with the opposite valence.
- My view is that little to nothing can be done about it because it is not currently possible to prevent off-site coordination or any determined individual from editing in the topic area due to various technical and wiki-cultural constraints. For example, I believe that one of the people banned in the CAMERA lobbying case is currently active in the topic area, and Misplaced Pages's rather unserious approach to ban evasion, or the ranking of privacy over honesty, means that it can't be addressed. That's okay. Nobody died.
- Given the technical/cultural limits that can't be changed it seems, I would rather there was an emphasis on enforcing compliance with the Wikimedia Universal Code of Conduct's position that unacceptable behavior includes "systematically manipulating content to favour specific interpretations of facts or points of view" i.e. biased editing/activism. The normalization of biased editing/advocacy means that you naturally produce conjugate sets of editors with opposite valence forming something like an autocatalytic set or a self-sustaining fire. But again, anyone blocked for biased editing/advocacy/coordination/canvassing etc. can easily return with a new account and quickly become extended confirmed using numerous tools that Misplaced Pages provides to new users to get them started.
- On the article itself, it is hard for me to take it seriously as these kinds of conspiratorial, casually defamatory, attack pieces camouflaged as rational analyses remind me so much of antisemitic conspiracy theories and conversations I've had with street people over the years, including a man who believed he was John the Baptist. The primarily utility of these kinds of attack articles and low-quality media reporting about on-wiki-things for me personally, as someone interested in the dynamics of the topic area, is that they are a useful reminder of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect and they help to identify actors with an elevated susceptibility to misinformation and manipulation and/or a willingness to generate or inject disinformation into Misplaced Pages's systems either directly or by employing external vectors. Sean.hoyland (talk) 03:45, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your response. Indeed a lot of the article seems like guesswork, maybe poor guesswork. Just wondering if anyone had dug into this further to determine what actual evidence exists.
- To the extent that their is evidence of stealth canvassing, I think it should be acted on regardless of the editor's ideology. Certainly ban enforcement has its challenges, but that doesn't seem like enough reason to ignore rulebreaking. — xDanielx /C\ 05:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm also wondering if anyone has managed to have a detailed look at the Tech for Palestine activities to compile actual evidence of policy violations, and if not, why not. I guess the answer is no/not yet or else evidence would have been presented in the PIA5 discussions or at AE for specific editors by now since that information has been available for a while. I may be a lot more cynical than you when it comes to enforcing rules in PIA because I see sanctions/remedies as mostly performative nowadays. They appear to have little to no actual impact on the dynamics of the topic area over time unless they are machine enforceable like EC protection, and even then, the benefit is very limited. People enforcing rules in PIA doesn't seem to work. The main benefits of enforcement seem to be that it can be weaponized and exploited by partisan actors to keep the fires burning/take out perceived enemies and it provides reinforcement learning so that people get better at exploiting weaknesses in the system over time. I also think that much of what happens in the topic area, rule breaking or not, is not visible/goes unnoticed/is given a pass. This is evident from the number of edits ban evading accounts manage to make before they are blocked. Sean.hoyland (talk) 07:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
RFC: Talk:1948 Arab–Israeli War#RFC for Jewish exodus
This RFC might interest contributors of this project. Andre🚐 19:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Sourcing for events at Kamal Adwan Hospital, Gaza
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Kamal Adwan Hospital sieges § Over-use of Al Jazeera. ☆ Bri (talk) 03:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Discussion about "History of the Jews in ____" articles
Please see Talk:Jews in Madagascar#Requested move 1 November 2024 dealing with articles about Jews and Jewish history. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 17:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
SHARAP
I wonder if anyone feels like writing an article about this contentious subject? Or failing that a section for Healthcare in Israel? All the best: Rich Farmbrough 16:40, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
D. Grossman
Could anyone of you please start an article on him here on en.wp? There is a lot of info sourced to him. I asked Rajoub570, but he seems o be on a wiki break. The article about him on Hebrew wp is https://he.wikipedia.org/דוד_גרוסמן_(גאוגרף) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles about types of Jews as well as their histories
Please see the discussion at Talk:Georgian Jews#Requested move 12 November 2024. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 20:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Gaza Strip famine#Requested move 27 November 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gaza Strip famine#Requested move 27 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 17:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 18 November 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 18 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 00:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
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Please find sources. Bearian (talk) 05:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
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