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If it’s not proper to link the Sikorsky S-72’s emergency extraction system to ejection seat, a brief explanation of the difference on the page would be nice. ] (]) 03:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
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So Cheers ] (]) 10:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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:Thanks. Know-it-all IPs rub me the wrong way. ] (]) 00:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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Looks like that IP has been blocked. BTW, thanks for the thanks, and welcome back. Hope you can stay. ] <sub>]</sub> 22:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

:No problem. I'm still mostly retired, but I'm watchlisting close to a thousand pages. I had nearly 30,000 when I retired last year. ] (]) 09:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

:* Thanks for anything you can do BilCat! ] (]) 19:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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== B-2 Spirit ==

I could not find a source that called it the "Stealth Bomber" instead of the B-2 Spirit as a name, rather than a descriptor.

Do you know what source referred to it as such, especially capitalized? ] (]) 23:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

:I searched for "B-2 stealth bomber", and found many mentions, both capitalized and not, from a wide variety of sources. But this is better discussed on the article's talk page so that others can participate. ] (]) 00:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

== "Redirected here" ==

<del>Hey Bill - just noting that ~~its ] that redirects to ], not ] which, as an aircraft that was actually built and flown, really should have its own page already! - ] <sub>]</sub> 08:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</del>
:HUh, how did I miss that the latter ''did'' redirect? Bah, I need more caffiene! - ] <sub>]</sub> 08:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
::Because I just created it, and tagged it as a Redirect with Possibilities. I wish we could still link those, but that seems to be the way things are done now. Red links are no longer considered a good thing like they used to be, at least in practice. ] (]) 08:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

::And yeah, we should have an article on it, but I'm not sure it would survive an AFD. That's the was things go now too. Misplaced Pages's been around long enough, and is many people's first stop for info. I think it high time we relaxed notability to include local only sources. ] (]) 08:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
:::I'm pretty sure it would, if only I had the time to scratch up the sources. It does seem a lot of grognards have too much time on their hands and consider GNG to be less "general" and more "strict" though! - ] <sub>]</sub> 08:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Yup. I'm mostly active again on American aircraft articles, but still semi-retired on the rest of Misplaced Pages. Still too many stupid things going on Misplaced Pages for me to unretire completely. ] (]) 08:54, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hello Bill. You recently did an edit to the Coast Guard HITRON page I had edited and you stated no source stated. The problem is, the “only” source available are the actual people, such as myself, that actually built the unit up from ground zero. Their were only 10 of us, be happy to have a “second” of one of the other plank owner members back me up on any and all info I add to this page, as, not to boast, I am a subject matter expert on. Please do me the courtesy and contact me direct on this request. I anm older now annd a dinosaur when it comes to a lot of computer and Wiki protocols so please, not to excuse my lack of this knowledge, but trying the best I can do as I always do through a 32yr military career. Appreciate your time. Charlie ] (]) 02:07, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
hi i didn't think a barn-star was needed for this but i wanted to say thanks for helping me during my time on Misplaced Pages


best regards, ] (]) 04:21, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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Mixed up the before and after on the ] edit. Mea culpa, thanks for the fix. –] (]) 05:38, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


I'm not sure ] agrees, but thanx, - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">] <small>(])</small></span> 23:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:No worries. I've mixed up diffs plenty of times myself. At first I wasn't sure what had happened, but once I looked at you userpage, talk page, and recent contributions, I figured it was probably a mistake. I just made my edit as clear as possible (on then second try!), and moved on. I'm glad that you realized your mistake, and that you let me know. Take care. ] (]) 07:23, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
*Hey, BilCat, have you any idea what was going on here ? I want to be clear I'm not accusing you of anything, but the interaction is just so ''weird''. Maybe he just ''wishes'' he were you? ]] 00:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
:Stop, I made a mistake, I'm who I am, chill out. Leave BilCat of of it, danm. - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">] <small>(])</small></span> 01:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|EEng#s}}How in the hell do you get, "me whishing" anytghing, I'm talking to you, and I'm FlightTime. Quit trying to confuse the issue "I" brought to '''You''' UFB - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">] <small>(])</small></span> 01:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
::Sorry BilCat. - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">] <small>(])</small></span> 01:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)


== GE90 ==
== Reverting unnecessary edits ==


I just changed some of the info to be more consistent with the ]. For instance the 777-300 was never ordered with the GE90, so that combination was never certified with the FAA. Also, the production 777F is often more specifically referred to as the 777-200LRF, in order to distinguish it from the 777-300ERSF conversion. ] (]) 03:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi BilCat. Around 30 September I edited the caption of an image on ]. I changed “widebody” to ] to match the title of the article; and I added the word “engines” to “turbofans” to make the expression “turbofan engines”. In my edit summary I foolishly used the words “colloquial” and “unencyclopaedic”. Understandably, you disagreed with these descriptors and you objected to my use of these words in my edit summary. You showed your disapproval by reverting my edit.


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:The message that you should derive from my recent and summary is that you are being needlessly picky, and that your edits didn't need to be made in the first place. I don't generally make reverts solely to disagree with the edit summary, and that certainly wasn't the case here. I was disagreeing with your edit, and with your stated reasons. I didn't think it needed to be elaborated on at the time. Captions should be fairly short, and in context, we don't need to repeat what should be fairly obvious. Both words are linked, if there's any question about what they refer to. Btw, ] is the title of the article, in line with ], ], et al. I do hope you won't be proposing to rename all of these to include "engine" in the title, but if you do, you can be sure of my "Extremely strong oppose" ivote. Also, the other title is ], not ]. ] (]) 02:25, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks for your very prompt reply. I’m satisfied you heard my message loud and clear. ] and ] explain my actions perfectly.
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Good to see you back

For however long it may be. - ZLEA T\ 01:13, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not sure how long it'll be either. We'll see. BilCat (talk) 01:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
whichever - it is good to see you here... JarrahTree 01:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Agree with JarrahTree. Welcome, be it a short or long stay. -- Euryalus (talk) 01:33, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Thanks! BilCat (talk) 01:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Yes, glad to see you back. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. I've slowed down a little the past couple weeks, but we'll see how it goes for the next few. BilCat (talk) 00:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Oi. Too funny. Yah, we are all here. Still beny (talk) 05:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes! You were one of my Wiki mentors! Glade to see you! Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 03:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

whatever - here there or whereever!!! JarrahTree 11:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Welcome semi-back.Acroterion (talk) 13:20, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Sikorsky S-72

If it’s not proper to link the Sikorsky S-72’s emergency extraction system to ejection seat, a brief explanation of the difference on the page would be nice. RickyCourtney (talk) 03:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh this is rather good ...

So nicely put! Cheers DBaK (talk) 10:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Know-it-all IPs rub me the wrong way. BilCat (talk) 00:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

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Royal Canadian Air Force

Looks like that IP has been blocked. BTW, thanks for the thanks, and welcome back. Hope you can stay.  BC  talk to me 22:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

No problem. I'm still mostly retired, but I'm watchlisting close to a thousand pages. I had nearly 30,000 when I retired last year. BilCat (talk) 09:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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B-2 Spirit

I could not find a source that called it the "Stealth Bomber" instead of the B-2 Spirit as a name, rather than a descriptor.

Do you know what source referred to it as such, especially capitalized? FinnSoThin (talk) 23:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I searched for "B-2 stealth bomber", and found many mentions, both capitalized and not, from a wide variety of sources. But this is better discussed on the article's talk page so that others can participate. BilCat (talk) 00:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

"Redirected here"

Hey Bill - just noting that ~~its Northrop Grumman Model 400 that redirects to T-X program, not Scaled Composites Model 400 Swift which, as an aircraft that was actually built and flown, really should have its own page already! - The Bushranger One ping only 08:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

HUh, how did I miss that the latter did redirect? Bah, I need more caffiene! - The Bushranger One ping only 08:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Because I just created it, and tagged it as a Redirect with Possibilities. I wish we could still link those, but that seems to be the way things are done now. Red links are no longer considered a good thing like they used to be, at least in practice. BilCat (talk) 08:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
And yeah, we should have an article on it, but I'm not sure it would survive an AFD. That's the was things go now too. Misplaced Pages's been around long enough, and is many people's first stop for info. I think it high time we relaxed notability to include local only sources. BilCat (talk) 08:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it would, if only I had the time to scratch up the sources. It does seem a lot of grognards have too much time on their hands and consider GNG to be less "general" and more "strict" though! - The Bushranger One ping only 08:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Yup. I'm mostly active again on American aircraft articles, but still semi-retired on the rest of Misplaced Pages. Still too many stupid things going on Misplaced Pages for me to unretire completely. BilCat (talk) 08:54, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
hey bil glad to see your semi back best regards, Paytonisboss (talk) 06:28, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

hi i didn't think a barn-star was needed for this but i wanted to say thanks for helping me during my time on Misplaced Pages

best regards, Paytonisboss (talk) 04:21, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

SR

I'm not sure EEng agrees, but thanx, - FlightTime (open channel) 23:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  • Hey, BilCat, have you any idea what was going on here ? I want to be clear I'm not accusing you of anything, but the interaction is just so weird. Maybe he just wishes he were you? EEng 00:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Stop, I made a mistake, I'm who I am, chill out. Leave BilCat of of it, danm. - FlightTime (open channel) 01:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
@EEng:How in the hell do you get, "me whishing" anytghing, I'm talking to you, and I'm FlightTime. Quit trying to confuse the issue "I" brought to You UFB - FlightTime (open channel) 01:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Sorry BilCat. - FlightTime (open channel) 01:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

GE90

I just changed some of the info to be more consistent with the Boeing 777. For instance the 777-300 was never ordered with the GE90, so that combination was never certified with the FAA. Also, the production 777F is often more specifically referred to as the 777-200LRF, in order to distinguish it from the 777-300ERSF conversion. 24.206.65.142 (talk) 03:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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