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| == Draft:Yury Yuriyovich Shikula == | |||
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| ⚫ | ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) |
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| This draft could use a little attention if anyone is interested in working on articles like this. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 20:07, 5 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Merging articles on governorates in Ukraine == | |||
| Proposing a merge of the following governorate (huberniia) articles. | |||
| * ] (1913–1918) → ] (1918–1920) | |||
| * ] → ] (1802–1925) | |||
| * ] → ] | |||
| Having these as separate articles is just confusing for the reader and inconsistent. Other Ukrainian governorate articles span long periods and several states (e.g., Russian Empire, Ukrainian People’s Republic, Ukrainian State, Ukrainian SSR, and Soviet Union), and ] (1764–1783, 1796–1802) covers a 13-year break in its existence. The latter two subjects are each treated under a single article in the Encyclopedia of Ukraine and its online version, for example (while Kholm gubernia is mentioned but has no article). | |||
| For comparison, other Ukrainian governorates under the Russian empire were ] (1802–1925), ] (1802–1925), ] (1835–1925), ] (1803–1920), ] (1802–1925), ] (1793–1925), ] (1802–1925), ] (1795–1925), as well as part of ] (1802–1921) existing from the late eighteenth or early nineteenth centuries, and later were added ] (1919–1925), ] (1920–1922), ] (1920–1925), and ] (1920–1922) governorates. —''] ].'' 21:25, 6 August 2023 (UTC) <small>Added dates. —''] ].'' 15:46, 7 August 2023 (UTC)</small> | |||
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| :'''Oppose''', we shouldn't merge amidnistrative units of two different countries. ] (]) 11:59, 7 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| :::No, we do not. Vologda Governorate was a part of the Russian Empire and its successor ]. ] (]) 18:47, 7 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::If that were something we shouldn’t do, then we should also be ''splitting'' and re-splitting the articles about governorates that were in both ] and not only about a dozen ] (one country but three separate states), but also scores of ] (which were in both independent states RSFSR and USSR), for example. Please get consensus for such a dramatic change to our practices before citing it as a supposed should-do or shouldn’t-do. Until then, this is for consistency of a few outliers. —''] ].'' 14:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC) <small>Edited. —''] ].'' 15:50, 7 August 2023 (UTC)</small> | |||
| ::@] then do you support or oppose the merge of the Little Russia governorate articles, which were only in the Russian empire? | |||
| ::Can you clarify that by “countries” you mean states? Obviously, Ukraine was a separate ''country'' from 1648, then a country colonized by an empire when most of these governorates were created, then kept them as an independent revolutionary country by 1918, then while ruled by a puppet state of Soviet Russia, then a country with the right of secession in the Soviet empire before they were finally dissolved. If you mean states, then most those Ukrainian governorate articles belonged to five states and the implications are severe fragmentation of these subjects, some of which as yet have very little encyclopedic content. —''] ].'' 16:24, 7 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::Ukraine wasn't a separate country in 1648, but there was a Cossack state that was part of PLC, Turkey or Russia, with various degree of autonomy ] (]) 18:49, 7 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Yeah, it was an independent, embattled country after 1648, and an autonomous country from 1654. The Russian tsars started to erode that autonomy immediately, splitting up Ukraine with Poland in 1667, destroying the Zaporizhzhian Sich in 1775, and suppressing Ukrainian language and identity. | |||
| ::::That’s a country. Statements that Ukraine wasn’t a country or that it isn’t a nation resemble the hate speech that social media is oversaturated with, and editors should consider their words on the topic if they have trouble writing about Ukrainian history without embarrassing themselves. —''] ].'' 19:06, 7 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::::No, Khmelnytsky state wasn't independent. Initially he was accepting suzerainty of the Commonwealth, later switched to Tsardom. | |||
| :::::{{tq|Statements that Ukraine wasn’t a country or that it isn’t a nation resemble the hate speech that social media is oversaturated with, and editors should consider their words on the topic if they have trouble writing about Ukrainian history without embarrassing themselves}} - that's ] ] (]) 19:35, 7 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::So then you’d say Russia wasn’t a country until 1991, right, and no one should have any problem with that? —''] ].'' 20:48, 7 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::I don't understand this comment. ] (]) 08:12, 8 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Bortkiewicz' nationality == | |||
| There is an edit war and accompanying discussion at ] regarding whether Bortkiewicz should be described in the lead as Russian, Ukrainian, or possibly a compromise solution. The talk also lacks a clear consensus on whether Russian or Ukrainian place names should be used in the biography section. I'm soliciting input from this Wikiproject and ] in an effort to build community consensus. ] (]) 20:24, 8 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Input needed - ] == | |||
| There is a discussion about the possible Iranian/Sarmatian origin of Poliane. It's not clear what the scholarly consensus is, so inputs would be helpful. ]<sub>]</sub> 11:21, 9 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ], I came across this draft a few days ago in a rather incomplete state and have made some edits. However, as a non-Ukrainian speaker, it is challenging for me to fully assess the accuracy, especially regarding the title: is it Yury Yuriyovich Shikula or Yuriy Yuriyovych Shykula. Also, I removed some content from the awards section, as it appeared to pertain to a different individual with the same name. Could someone please review this draft for accuracy? I am particularly curious about this draft as it seems potentially notable. ] (]) 14:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — ] (] · ] · ] · ]) 08:50, 14 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | :I am not an Ukrainian speaker, but I think he is Yuriy Yuriovych Shykula. We just use ]. ] (]) 17:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC) | ||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran ] 11:04, 16 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Ukraine-related maps by User:Роман Днепр == | |||
| == Discussion on CfD regarding the history of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth == | |||
| ] (not active for over a year and a half when it comes to his global account) has created at least some maps with his personal ex libris in the lower right corner, and they are strewn across various pages, including important ones; some examples: , , , , , . I think that below is a list of all of his uploads, but I haven't been seriously involved in Misplaced Pages for a long time, so I might be missing something: . Maybe someone here could find some extra time to try and go through it and correct the images affected. | |||
| On ] there is an important discussion concerning the categorization of people living in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, as well as the shape of the category tree concerning people of Polish nationality. Because of the subject matter, it seemed to me that this discussion might be of interest to participants in this Wikiproject. | |||
| Do you think any disciplinary measures could be taken against the user? | |||
| Link: ] ] (]) 22:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| Posting it here for lack of a better place, and WikiProject:Ukraine seems to be more active in the English version than in the Ukrainian version. ] (]) 02:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Occupation in infobox for localities affected by the ongoing military conflict 2: Crimea == | |||
| :I don't thing adding ex libris violates any rules. These images are hosted on WikiCommons so you may want to request assistance ] as well. Or you can just do it yourself :) ]<sub>]</sub> 13:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Back in February, there was a consensus established to not include occupied status of Ukrainian settlements in the infobox. See ]. | |||
| == ] == | |||
| This decision was made after some editors had been adding things like “Country: Ukraine (de jure), Russia (de facto)” or otherwise messing with the infobox fields that are meant to show the country-province-district (specifically country-oblast-raion) hierarchy that contains a settlement. | |||
| ⚫ | Is anyone able to rescue this? ] (]) 00:01, 7 December 2024 (UTC) | ||
| The proposal by @] then was to make a decision and apply it to “clear cut cases,” and not to articles on settlements in Crimea, because they were “really administered by Russia.” | |||
| ⚫ | == Requested move at ] == | ||
| But the Crimea distinction was not a real one, and if it weren’t so clear in the past, it is more obvious now. Russia has “annexed” not only Crimea, but also the four other regions where it occupies cities, towns, and villages: in the Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts. At the same time, the Crimean peninsula has become more clearly part of the war zone, as Russian military targets there are hit by Ukrainian artillery, missiles, and drones. More importantly, there’s no reason in any guidelines or consensus to treat Russian occupation in Crimea as special. | |||
| ⚫ | ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 17:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC) | ||
| == ] == | |||
| We should either A) apply this decision uniformly throughout the occupied territories of Ukraine, and remove occupied status from inboxes, while ensuring that it is properly covered in article text; or B) decide to hold another RFC to rescind the decision, figure out a scheme for representing occupied status throughout settlement infoboxes (in Ukraine and more broadly), and resolve to update it as localities are occupied and liberated in Ukraine. —''] ].'' 03:28, 24 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| They completed training and have been sent back to Ukraine, and I'm seeing various Russian, Ukrainian, and French reports on the brigade, but can't make sense of what's going on. The article should use the highest quality sources, such as AP and Reuters, and they have given profiles on the brigade in the past, but haven't given an update since. . . So should we wait until the highest quality sources comment on this? ] (]) 04:45, 18 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :There is still a pretty clear difference between Crimea/Sevastopol and Donetsk / Luhansk/ Zaporizhzhia/ Kherson/ Kharkiv Oblasts. ] (]) 03:35, 24 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::Settlements in the former were occupied for longer. What else are you thinking of? —''] ].'' 03:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
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Draft:Yury Yuriyovich Shikula
Ymblanter, I came across this draft a few days ago in a rather incomplete state and have made some edits. However, as a non-Ukrainian speaker, it is challenging for me to fully assess the accuracy, especially regarding the title: is it Yury Yuriyovich Shikula or Yuriy Yuriyovych Shykula. Also, I removed some content from the awards section, as it appeared to pertain to a different individual with the same name. Could someone please review this draft for accuracy? I am particularly curious about this draft as it seems potentially notable. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 14:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I am not an Ukrainian speaker, but I think he is Yuriy Yuriovych Shykula. We just use MOS:UKR. Ymblanter (talk) 17:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Ukraine-related maps by User:Роман Днепр
User:Роман Днепр (not active for over a year and a half when it comes to his global account) has created at least some maps with his personal ex libris in the lower right corner, and they are strewn across various pages, including important ones; some examples: , , , , , . I think that below is a list of all of his uploads, but I haven't been seriously involved in Misplaced Pages for a long time, so I might be missing something: . Maybe someone here could find some extra time to try and go through it and correct the images affected.
Do you think any disciplinary measures could be taken against the user?
Posting it here for lack of a better place, and WikiProject:Ukraine seems to be more active in the English version than in the Ukrainian version. KarolloraK555 (talk) 02:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't thing adding ex libris violates any rules. These images are hosted on WikiCommons so you may want to request assistance there as well. Or you can just do it yourself :) Alaexis¿question? 13:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Kateryna Bilokon
Is anyone able to rescue this? Bearian (talk) 00:01, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Leonid Kadeniuk#Page move due to misspelled name
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155th Mechanized Brigade (Ukraine)
They completed training and have been sent back to Ukraine, and I'm seeing various Russian, Ukrainian, and French reports on the brigade, but can't make sense of what's going on. The article should use the highest quality sources, such as AP and Reuters, and they have given profiles on the brigade in the past, but haven't given an update since. French source. Ukraine source. So should we wait until the highest quality sources comment on this? Harizotoh9 (talk) 04:45, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
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