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| == Draft:Yury Yuriyovich Shikula == | |||
| == Help interpreting a Ukrainian-language source with a linked document in Russian == | |||
| Could someone here look at the source https://hromadske.ua/posts/putin-gotuyetsya-zaluchiti-do-vijni-proti-ukrayini-nepovnolitnih-rozvidka now used in ] about which text better reflects the source? | |||
| "Nevertheless, 6 years later, during Russian invasion of Ukraine, the same Minister of Defense commissioned reports on the possibility of recruiting 17-year old Yunarmy youth for the war effort." (The minister in question being Sergei Shoigu.) | |||
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| "During Russian invasion of Ukraine, Ukrainan Intelligence published an order by the Minister of Defence, which orders evaluation of potential use of Yunarmiya members during SMO after their conscription into the Russian Armed forces." ] (]) 05:56, 6 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :The second option is more accurate. The order says clearly that what needs to be evaluated is their involvement in the "special military operation" '''after''' they are drafted ("после их призыва на военную службу в ходе весеннего и летнего призывов 2022 года"). So the point is that it applies to the guys who were 17 at the time this order is published but who would be 18 and thus eligible for the summer draft. Draftees are not supposed to be sent to the war in Ukraine, so the order (if it's real) is about making an exception for draftees belonging to Young Army Cadets National Movement. | |||
| :This order was purportedly made in February 2022 and published on the GUR's facebook page in March 2022. More than a year has passed since then and if this actually happened, we would know it from reliable sources. If all we have is a facebook post and an article in Hromadske from early 2022, I would re-word it | |||
| :{{cquote|According to Ukrainian military intelligence, in February 2022, the Russian Defence Minister ordered an assessment of the potential use of Yunarmiya members in the war in Ukraine after their conscription into the Russian Armed forces.}} ]<sub>]</sub> 08:06, 6 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :Of course, the order itself is a primary source and it's better to use secondary sources that interpret primary sources. However in this case the secondary source (Hromadske) basically copied the post by the Ukrainian Military Intelligence service (), which is a primary source, so no interpretation was performed and I think that we should simply attribute the news as I suggested earlier. ]<sub>]</sub> 11:43, 6 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks, I have changed the text to your suggestion. Maybe a bit of SYNTH to pur that sentence after the one before, but the text is absolutely more neutral. ] (]) 07:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. <small>''''']''''' (])</small> 18:51, 15 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Konstantyn H. Kulyk == | |||
| I've created an article for the former Ukainian prosecutor ]. There seem to be a lot of different spellings for his name, in Ukrainian, Russian and English. Could someone familiar with these languages take a look and check that I've got the right versions of these names? — ] (]) 21:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Nashi political party's page has missing sources. == | |||
| The sources for these two claims are incorrect. The sources attached have nothing to do about supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022. | |||
| "The party has a ] stance. It supported the ]." | |||
| All 3 attached sources are from before 2020. ] (]) 04:18, 17 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :{{Done}}. Removed the 2nd sentence, see ]. ] (]) 07:40, 17 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Proposed merge of Dovzhansk Raion into Sverdlovsk Raion == | |||
| ] There is a merge proposal ongoing at ] that may interest editors of this WikiProject. ] (]) 17:33, 20 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Has the classification "Rural Settlements" been abolished along with "Urban-type Settlements"? == | |||
| I just learned that Ukraine has recently overhauled their settlement classification scheme, but I can't seem to figure out whether they abolished the classification of "Rural-type Settlement". I've translated a few settlement articles and would like to update them if the classification no longer exists. Also, if they have abolished it, do rural settlements immediately become villages (selos) in January when the law takes effect? <span style="font-family:Copperplate Gothic, Ebrima;background-color:OrangeRed;border-radius:7px;text-shadow:2px 2px 4px#000000;padding:3px 3px;">]</span><sup>]</sup> 05:48, 30 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :I didn't know where to post this question, so I apologize if this is the wrong place. <span style="font-family:Copperplate Gothic, Ebrima;background-color:OrangeRed;border-radius:7px;text-shadow:2px 2px 4px#000000;padding:3px 3px;">]</span><sup>]</sup> 05:58, 30 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :You would naturally assume that, but it seems that the new law simply ignored the existence of rural-type settlements, since there are very few of them. Legally, they were never called "rural-type", they were called simply "settlements" and generally were smaller than "villages". Only "urban-type settlements" always used an adjective in the name. So it seems that the new law did not affect the rural-type settlements and they would stay as "settlements" even though we basically have a corrupted hierarchy now: city > settlement > village > settlement. Maybe, it will get fixed eventually, or maybe not. ] (]) 06:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :The most sure way to check the status of any settlement would be to check with which is a huge excel file listing all administrative units and their types. However, it has not been yet updated since the new law took an effect, so we would need to wait for the update and then see how the ministry deals with this inconsistency. ] (]) 06:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks for clarifying! I'll have to check in on the spreadsheet in January. <span style="font-family:Copperplate Gothic, Ebrima;background-color:OrangeRed;border-radius:7px;text-shadow:2px 2px 4px#000000;padding:3px 3px;">]</span><sup>]</sup> 06:32, 30 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Igor Bondar (of the 2020s) == | |||
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| Hi! As of December 2023, works (or at least "] work") are coming out of ] from Bondar.--In Ukraine, is he considered a poet, first and foremost, or rather a writer?--He seems to be sort of a correspondent (from Kharkiv) in a mid-size newspaper in my country, because his newspaper column gets printed a few times every month.--Trying to find in-depth sources is problematic, in part because there was an Ukrainian journalist (uk.wikipedia.org/Ігор_Бондар) ], that was murdered in ] in 1999.--Thoughts on how to find sources about the writer/poet and his works?--His work printed in my country (and largely in one newspaper), might barely contribute to possible wiki-notability; however, it is all other stuff that might decide possible wiki-notability. ] (]) 01:59, 7 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :You mentioned "my country". Is it Ukraine or other country? Google search in Ukrainian finds poet Igor/Ihor Bondar-Tereshchenko from Kharkiv (]). Is that the one? ] (]) 05:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::Outstanding! I will link the article when I expect to have it done in a few weeks.--(As columnist, his "Brev fra krigen" column, is signed by ] Bondar, although the articles are translated by a local translator.)--I will use the title ], unless a talk page advises that ] is how ''his'' name should be in English. (Wikidata does not give any clue yet, it seems.)--Thanks a lot! ] (]) 02:29, 8 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Merge discussion at ] == | |||
| ] There is a requested merge discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] ] ] 22:22, 10 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Titles of articles on Ukrainian povits/uezds == | |||
| I intend to clean up the titles of articles and categories on historical ]s (a.k.a. ]s or ]) in Ukraine. This system of subdividing the gubernia (a.k.a. ''huberniia'') was established in the Russian empire (]), and then inherited by the Ukrainian People’s Republic and Soviet Ukraine (]). | |||
| The spellings and names are not consistent. There’s no advice in ] and I can’t find any corresponding guideline for Russian-empire or Soviet place names. A number of these have been moved without discussion to a different pattern (e.g., Bakhmutsky Uyezd was moved to ]). | |||
| I intend to rename all of these to use consistent spelling with the main article ], for example ] → ]. This is not controversial and I will proceed without waiting for comments (but feel free). | |||
| I am also considering the following questions: | |||
| # Do we keep the prevailing capitalization ''Konotopsky Uezd'', or switch to lowercased ''Konotopsky uezd''? | |||
| # Do we keep the prevailing native adjectival proper name, like ''Konotopsky Uezd'', or switch to an anglicized version like ''Konotop Uezd'' (after the city of ])? | |||
| # Were any of these established in Ukraine after 1917 and should therefore be renamed, e.g., ] → ]/]? | |||
| Any other concerns? Please comment. —''] ].'' 16:55, 15 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
| {{Collapse top|List of uezds in Ukraine}} | |||
| This is a preliminary list of articles on povits/uezds/counties in Ukrainian gubernias. Some of these ended up in the territory of the RSFSR and not Ukraine after 1917. | |||
| The list is incomplete, and still lacks links to articles on povits/uezds/counties in ], ]/], ], and ]. Feel free to add missing article links. —''] ].'' 16:55, 15 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| ], I came across this draft a few days ago in a rather incomplete state and have made some edits. However, as a non-Ukrainian speaker, it is challenging for me to fully assess the accuracy, especially regarding the title: is it Yury Yuriyovich Shikula or Yuriy Yuriyovych Shykula. Also, I removed some content from the awards section, as it appeared to pertain to a different individual with the same name. Could someone please review this draft for accuracy? I am particularly curious about this draft as it seems potentially notable. ] (]) 14:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| :I am not an Ukrainian speaker, but I think he is Yuriy Yuriovych Shykula. We just use ]. ] (]) 17:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| Posting it here for lack of a better place, and WikiProject:Ukraine seems to be more active in the English version than in the Ukrainian version. ] (]) 02:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| :I don't thing adding ex libris violates any rules. These images are hosted on WikiCommons so you may want to request assistance ] as well. Or you can just do it yourself :) ]<sub>]</sub> 13:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| They completed training and have been sent back to Ukraine, and I'm seeing various Russian, Ukrainian, and French reports on the brigade, but can't make sense of what's going on. The article should use the highest quality sources, such as AP and Reuters, and they have given profiles on the brigade in the past, but haven't given an update since. . . So should we wait until the highest quality sources comment on this? ] (]) 04:45, 18 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Draft:Yury Yuriyovich Shikula
Ymblanter, I came across this draft a few days ago in a rather incomplete state and have made some edits. However, as a non-Ukrainian speaker, it is challenging for me to fully assess the accuracy, especially regarding the title: is it Yury Yuriyovich Shikula or Yuriy Yuriyovych Shykula. Also, I removed some content from the awards section, as it appeared to pertain to a different individual with the same name. Could someone please review this draft for accuracy? I am particularly curious about this draft as it seems potentially notable. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 14:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I am not an Ukrainian speaker, but I think he is Yuriy Yuriovych Shykula. We just use MOS:UKR. Ymblanter (talk) 17:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Ukraine-related maps by User:Роман Днепр
User:Роман Днепр (not active for over a year and a half when it comes to his global account) has created at least some maps with his personal ex libris in the lower right corner, and they are strewn across various pages, including important ones; some examples: , , , , , . I think that below is a list of all of his uploads, but I haven't been seriously involved in Misplaced Pages for a long time, so I might be missing something: . Maybe someone here could find some extra time to try and go through it and correct the images affected.
Do you think any disciplinary measures could be taken against the user?
Posting it here for lack of a better place, and WikiProject:Ukraine seems to be more active in the English version than in the Ukrainian version. KarolloraK555 (talk) 02:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't thing adding ex libris violates any rules. These images are hosted on WikiCommons so you may want to request assistance there as well. Or you can just do it yourself :) Alaexis¿question? 13:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
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155th Mechanized Brigade (Ukraine)
They completed training and have been sent back to Ukraine, and I'm seeing various Russian, Ukrainian, and French reports on the brigade, but can't make sense of what's going on. The article should use the highest quality sources, such as AP and Reuters, and they have given profiles on the brigade in the past, but haven't given an update since. French source. Ukraine source. So should we wait until the highest quality sources comment on this? Harizotoh9 (talk) 04:45, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
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