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			== Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2024 ==
	== Montage ==

			{{edit semi-protected\|Vancouver\|answered=yes}}
	Hello,
			In Population (2021)
	I have noticed that a couple of the images in the montage are from nearly two decades ago now, and I find it more suitable to update the images to ones that were taken within the last decade. Here is my suggestion:
	{{Photomontage
	\| photo1a = Concord Pacific Master Plan Area.jpg{{!}}Yaletown
	\| photo2a = Robson Square Vancouver 03.JPG
	\| photo3a = Millennium Gate, Vancouver's Chinatown National Historic Site of Canada, WLM2012.jpg{{!}}Millennium Gate
	\| photo3b = UBC aerial view-cropped.jpg{{!}}An areal view of the University of British Columbia
	\| photo4a = Lions Gate Bridge in Vancouver, B.C. (2013) - 1.JPG
	\| photo4b = Totem Poles in Stanley Park Vancouver 2016.jpg
	\| spacing = 1
	\| color_border = white
	\| color = white
	\| size = 280
	\| foot_montage = {{resize\|114%\|From top, left to right: ], ], Millennium Gate in ], ], ], totem poles in ].}}
	}}
	--] (]) 18:57, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
	*I think the Millennium Gate picture is too dark, and The Lions Gate bridge photo doesn't bring out the bridge clearly enough. Just personal preferences. ] (]) 21:38, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

			Change:
	Changed the Lion's Gate Bridge image. As for the chinatown gate, it was already included in the montage. --] (]) 22:09, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
			• Rank 1st in Canada
	::That's great! ] (]) 22:18, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
			to:
			• Rank 8th in Canada

			Source:
	:::Montages are a bad idea. They typically show things that only locals know, with no explanation of their significance, and with images too small to help the reader learn anything. (NOTE: I have said this in several other city articles. Not singling out Vancouver.) ] (]) 23:24, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
			https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_the_largest_municipalities_in_Canada_by_population ] (]) 00:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

			:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 09:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
	Are you suggesting getting rid of montages altogether and replacing it with a single image or something? Montages provide the readers with a glimpse of the city's most famous sights and if an image from the montage were to catch somebody's eye, then they can go over to the caption and click on the article about the subject and learn more. --] (]) 04:57, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
	:~~Get~~ ~~rid~~ of ~~montages~~ ~~all~~ ~~together.~~ ~~The~~ ~~article~~ ~~has~~ ~~plenty~~ of ~~other~~ ~~photos~~ to ~~catch~~ ~~a reader~~'s ~~attention~~. ] (]) 05:43, 27 ~~January~~ ~~2020~~ (UTC)		::Reverted: Vancouver is first in population DENSITY, which is what the infobox said and which I've now restored. Please be more careful when processing edit requests in the future. —] (]) 04:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
			:::I think it's still a bit unclear. When looking at it, it's hard to see if the rank refers to the density or if it's on the same level as population. Especially since city population doesn't have a rank but metro does. Maybe we could add it to the end of the population number for the city too? E.g:
	::{{re\|Ikon21}} "Did I check the Talk page?" No I hadn't, and didn't even know a discussion had been started, and now I can see why... because you waited a whole TWO DAYS for discussion on the montage before changing it. Classy. That's like TransLink level of consultation. {{em\|sigh}} —] (]) 20:34, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
			:::• City 662,248 (8th in Canada) ] (]) 10:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
	:::Regarding of this, let's not start an edit war. Please keep the conversation a bit less in shambles. Look at San Francisco, see how they handled the inclusion of a montage. Actually, there is no reason to have a montage as this article has multiple pictures of various landmarks scattered, so audience may not be generally inclined to bother about these landmarks as would-be-tourists do. But there needs to be a consensus on how to deal with this, especially on which image to replace the montage with, like replacing the montage with an image of downtown Vancouver. ] (]) 08:27, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
	::::{{ping\|Lemonreader}} {{ping\|HiLo48}}, I have made a ] edit and a formal proposal ] to switch to a single image. Input on this would be appreciated. ] (]) 03:02, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

	== Montage too long ==

	{{Infobox settlement
	\| name = Vancouver
	\| official_name = City of Vancouver
	\| settlement_type = City
	\| image_skyline = Concord Pacific Master Plan Area.jpg
	\| imagesize = 300
	\| caption = Skyline of ]
	}}
	The montage of this article -- while it may be aesthetically pleasing to some -- is far too long. This issue is especially true for mobile users, who make up more than half of our readers. The current infobox montage takes up almost the entire screen when reading on an iPhone with regular font and zoom. This causes the reader to have to scroll even further through the already long settlement infobox just to get to the text of the article.

			== Inaccurate climate data, can someone edit? ==
	I propose using only one image in the infobox. While this is a proposal that is unique and perhaps wouldn't suit other cities, it is evident that the first image of Vancouver's skyline, featuring the harbour in the foreground and the city's entire skyline in the background, is by far the most iconic and identifiable image of Vancouver in the current montage. The other images in the montage are quite distinctive in comparison, and would be far better served being moved to sections of the article specific to them.

			Sunshine hours for Vancouver are the following, per Environment Canada:
	There have been similar discussions at ] over the years about the ] infobox image. The consensus reached there was to only use one, iconic, and easily identifiable image, which is what I am proposing here (example on the right). — ] (]) 02:39, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
			Jan 98.5, Feb 104.1, Mar 104.0, Apr 120.8, May 148.4, Jun 133.1, Jul 283.8, Aug 280.3, Sep 260.9, Oct 158.1, Nov 94.0, Dec 80.0. Annual 1866.0. See data here:

			https://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_normals/results_1991_2020_e.html?searchType=stnName_1991&txtStationName_1991=vancouver&searchMethod=contains&txtCentralLatMin=0&txtCentralLatSec=0&txtCentralLongMin=0&txtCentralLongSec=0&stnID=360000000&dispBack=1
	:I strongly agree with this. Montages typically show things that only locals know, with no explanation of their significance, and with images too small to help the reader learn anything. (NOTE: I have said this in several other city articles. Not singling out Vancouver.) Unfortunately though, I'm not sure the single image is all that much better. It's a great pic, but all cities have skylines, many of them on water. I'm not a local (planning to visit later this year, hence my interest), so I don't know what to suggest. Could you perhaps get a shot with snow on the nearby mountains? ] (]) 03:08, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
	::Seconded. A montage is nice, but not really needed in this article as unlike New York, which has more recognizable landmarks, Vancouver or San Francisco simply offer nothing of popular consciousness. Either way, a single image is best suited for this article. ] (]) 08:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

			Click "Normals Data" tab, scroll down to "Cloud Amount (hours with)", and see first row ("0-2"). See also https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/weather-general-tools-resources/astronomy/cloud-forecast.html to make sense of what "0-2" means in this context (sunny weather). ] (]) 08:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
	== Change visible minority to ethnic minority ==
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			== List of tall buildings in Vancouver ==
	Discriminatory and inaccurate use of the term visible minority. This should be changed to the term Ethnic minority. White should also be changed to European, since White is a colonial term and ethnicity that does not represent non-Anglo Saxon Europeans. White is also a term that is used as both in the context of race, people can appear racially white and not be from Europe. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:07, 10 May 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			This section needs to include the former Trump Hotel tower - now called the Paradox Hotel Vancouver, as the second tallest building in the city of Vancouver. Also needs inclusion of the Butterfly tower. ] (]) 02:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:{{not done}} ] as the is not discriminatory and thus the term is accurate. StatCan uses the term "visible minority" and changing it to something else would be wrong. ] (]) 04:28, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

	== ~~"Unceded"~~ in ~~the~~ ~~lead~~ ==		== Move discussion in progress ==

			There is a move discussion in progress on ] which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. <!-- Talk:Government and politics of Vancouver#Requested move 18 December 2024 crosspost --> —] 23:03, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	Hi everyone, FYI as Magnolia677 pointed out, there is a discussion at the regarding the use of "unceded" in the lead section of articles about Canadian cities. I have just commented there regarding Vancouver. ] (] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> ]) 21:26, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
	:In the case of Vancouver, as in most of BC, it is uncontroversial to characterize the land as unceded. ] provides some context; provides some more. ] (]) 02:49, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	::If the entire province is "unceded", this information would be more appropriate on the provincial article, instead of added to individual articles about places in the province. ] (]) 16:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	:::It isn't the case that the entire province is unceded; more importantly, different groups have claims in different areas. Claims specific to a location should be discussed in that location's article. ] (]) 17:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	::::Why is a land claim notable in the article? ] (]) 17:46, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	:::::I think unceded is appropriate in the lead as politicians and many local institutions make opening acknowledgements. The sources could be improved though, as the Smithsonian Magazine reference isn't "scholarly" and gives an elementary error in the first sentence. ] (]) 19:12, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	:::::: That's true, my bad. I found the source on Google Scholar and made the hasty assumption that it was therefore scholarly. ] (] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> ]) 19:59, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	:::::Land claims are a notable current issue at the local level, especially in BC, and reflect an important aspect of local history. I've provided a better reference. ] (]) 19:53, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	::::::There was rough consensus at Canadian Wikipedians' notice board not to include "unceded" in the lead. ] (]) 20:09, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	:::::::That consensus applied only to communities where the use of the term "unceded" does not reflect NPOV. In Vancouver and most of BC, it does. ] (]) 20:19, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

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In Population (2021)

Change:

 • Rank	1st in Canada

to:

• Rank	 8th in Canada

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_the_largest_municipalities_in_Canada_by_population Fridaynosaur (talk) 00:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Done Charliehdb (talk) 09:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Reverted: Vancouver is first in population DENSITY, which is what the infobox said and which I've now restored. Please be more careful when processing edit requests in the future. —Joeyconnick (talk) 04:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I think it's still a bit unclear. When looking at it, it's hard to see if the rank refers to the density or if it's on the same level as population. Especially since city population doesn't have a rank but metro does. Maybe we could add it to the end of the population number for the city too? E.g:

• City 662,248 (8th in Canada) Espionage7240 (talk) 10:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Inaccurate climate data, can someone edit?

Sunshine hours for Vancouver are the following, per Environment Canada: Jan 98.5, Feb 104.1, Mar 104.0, Apr 120.8, May 148.4, Jun 133.1, Jul 283.8, Aug 280.3, Sep 260.9, Oct 158.1, Nov 94.0, Dec 80.0. Annual 1866.0. See data here:

https://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_normals/results_1991_2020_e.html?searchType=stnName_1991&txtStationName_1991=vancouver&searchMethod=contains&txtCentralLatMin=0&txtCentralLatSec=0&txtCentralLongMin=0&txtCentralLongSec=0&stnID=360000000&dispBack=1

Click "Normals Data" tab, scroll down to "Cloud Amount (hours with)", and see first row ("0-2"). See also https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/weather-general-tools-resources/astronomy/cloud-forecast.html to make sense of what "0-2" means in this context (sunny weather). 137.132.27.170 (talk) 08:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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List of tall buildings in Vancouver

This section needs to include the former Trump Hotel tower - now called the Paradox Hotel Vancouver, as the second tallest building in the city of Vancouver. Also needs inclusion of the Butterfly tower. Bradross63 (talk) 02:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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