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		⚫	== Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2024 ==
	== Requests ==
	Someone DELETE the paragraph in sports starting with "Vancouver has an adult obesity..." Obesity stats do not belong here ] (]) 23:52, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

		⚫	{{edit semi-protected\|Vancouver\|answered=yes}}
	== Montage too long ==
			In Population (2021)

			Change:
	{{Infobox settlement
			• Rank 1st in Canada
	\| name = Vancouver
			to:
	\| official_name = City of Vancouver
			• Rank 8th in Canada
	\| settlement_type = City
	\| image_skyline = Concord Pacific Master Plan Area.jpg
	\| imagesize = 300
	\| caption = Skyline of ]
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	The montage of this article -- while it may be aesthetically pleasing to some -- is far too long. This issue is especially true for mobile users, who make up more than half of our readers. The current infobox montage takes up almost the entire screen when reading on an iPhone with regular font and zoom. This causes the reader to have to scroll even further through the already long settlement infobox just to get to the text of the article.

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	I propose using only one image in the infobox. While this is a proposal that is unique and perhaps wouldn't suit other cities, it is evident that the first image of Vancouver's skyline, featuring the harbour in the foreground and the city's entire skyline in the background, is by far the most iconic and identifiable image of Vancouver in the current montage. The other images in the montage are quite distinctive in comparison, and would be far better served being moved to sections of the article specific to them.
			https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_the_largest_municipalities_in_Canada_by_population ] (]) 00:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
			:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 09:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
			::Reverted: Vancouver is first in population DENSITY, which is what the infobox said and which I've now restored. Please be more careful when processing edit requests in the future. —] (]) 04:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
			:::I think it's still a bit unclear. When looking at it, it's hard to see if the rank refers to the density or if it's on the same level as population. Especially since city population doesn't have a rank but metro does. Maybe we could add it to the end of the population number for the city too? E.g:
			:::• City 662,248 (8th in Canada) ] (]) 10:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

			== Inaccurate climate data, can someone edit? ==
	There have been similar discussions at ] over the years about the ] infobox image. The consensus reached there was to only use one, iconic, and easily identifiable image, which is what I am proposing here (example on the right). — ] (]) 02:39, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

			Sunshine hours for Vancouver are the following, per Environment Canada:
	:I strongly agree with this. Montages typically show things that only locals know, with no explanation of their significance, and with images too small to help the reader learn anything. (NOTE: I have said this in several other city articles. Not singling out Vancouver.) Unfortunately though, I'm not sure the single image is all that much better. It's a great pic, but all cities have skylines, many of them on water. I'm not a local (planning to visit later this year, hence my interest), so I don't know what to suggest. Could you perhaps get a shot with snow on the nearby mountains? ] (]) 03:08, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
			Jan 98.5, Feb 104.1, Mar 104.0, Apr 120.8, May 148.4, Jun 133.1, Jul 283.8, Aug 280.3, Sep 260.9, Oct 158.1, Nov 94.0, Dec 80.0. Annual 1866.0. See data here:
	::Seconded. A montage is nice, but not really needed in this article as unlike New York, which has more recognizable landmarks, Vancouver or San Francisco simply offer nothing of popular consciousness. Either way, a single image is best suited for this article. ] (]) 08:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

			https://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_normals/results_1991_2020_e.html?searchType=stnName_1991&txtStationName_1991=vancouver&searchMethod=contains&txtCentralLatMin=0&txtCentralLatSec=0&txtCentralLongMin=0&txtCentralLongSec=0&stnID=360000000&dispBack=1
	:It takes a lot of scrolling to get through all this content can it be simplified? ] (]) 22:08, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

			Click "Normals Data" tab, scroll down to "Cloud Amount (hours with)", and see first row ("0-2"). See also https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/weather-general-tools-resources/astronomy/cloud-forecast.html to make sense of what "0-2" means in this context (sunny weather). ] (]) 08:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
	== "Unceded" in the lead ==
			== "]" listed at ] ==
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			The redirect <span class="plainlinks"></span> has been listed at ] to determine whether its use and function meets the ]. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{slink\|Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Hastings East (Vancouver)}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- Template:RFDNote --> ] (]) 21:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

			== List of tall buildings in Vancouver ==
	Hi everyone, FYI as Magnolia677 pointed out, there is a discussion at the regarding the use of "unceded" in the lead section of articles about Canadian cities. I have just commented there regarding Vancouver. ] (] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> ]) 21:26, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
	:In the case of Vancouver, as in most of BC, it is uncontroversial to characterize the land as unceded. ] provides some context; provides some more. ] (]) 02:49, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	::If the entire province is "unceded", this information would be more appropriate on the provincial article, instead of added to individual articles about places in the province. ] (]) 16:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	:::It isn't the case that the entire province is unceded; more importantly, different groups have claims in different areas. Claims specific to a location should be discussed in that location's article. ] (]) 17:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	::::Why is a land claim notable in the article? ] (]) 17:46, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	:::::I think unceded is appropriate in the lead as politicians and many local institutions make opening acknowledgements. The sources could be improved though, as the Smithsonian Magazine reference isn't "scholarly" and gives an elementary error in the first sentence. ] (]) 19:12, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	:::::: That's true, my bad. I found the source on Google Scholar and made the hasty assumption that it was therefore scholarly. ] (] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> ]) 19:59, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	:::::Land claims are a notable current issue at the local level, especially in BC, and reflect an important aspect of local history. I've provided a better reference. ] (]) 19:53, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	::::::There was rough consensus at Canadian Wikipedians' notice board not to include "unceded" in the lead. ] (]) 20:09, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	:::::::That consensus applied only to communities where the use of the term "unceded" does not reflect NPOV. In Vancouver and most of BC, it does. ] (]) 20:19, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	:::::::I disagree - I read that conversation carefully and there was a pretty even split between editors who felt it should be included in the lead and those who felt it shouldn't be. Furthermore policy isn't made by this kind of noticeboard discussion anyway. Policy is that each article cover aspects of the topic of that article with due weight. ] (] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> ]) 20:21, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	:::::: '''Unceded should be left in''' because inside the municipality most Federal government media releases start with "... traditional unceded territory... " TheKevlar 00:05, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
	:::::::Misplaced Pages does not follow what municipalities and government agencies do. ] (]) 23:45, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
	:::::::It is noteworthy regardless of what some Wikipedians claim. This is a question: Are we here to judge or record history? TheKevlar 20:05, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

			This section needs to include the former Trump Hotel tower - now called the Paradox Hotel Vancouver, as the second tallest building in the city of Vancouver. Also needs inclusion of the Butterfly tower. ] (]) 02:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Sustainability ==
	It is time to clean up and expand this section. There is a discussion at the regarding this project. It is a multi-city effort where we will be doing the same for other major cities in Canada. TheKevlar 16:13, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
	:Sustainability is not a section expected at community articles according to ]. If you want to start doing this across Canadian communities, I suggest you start a discussion at ] and place a notice of said discussion here, at ], and at ] to catch a wider audience. Cheers, ] (]) 08:01, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

	== BC ~~place~~ ==		== Move discussion in progress ==

			There is a move discussion in progress on ] which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. <!-- Talk:Government and politics of Vancouver#Requested move 18 December 2024 crosspost --> —] 23:03, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	Under the sports and recreation heading, the image and caption of BC place is outdated. It now has the retractable roof instead of the cloth dome which was prior to 2010. ]<sup>]]</sup> 18:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

⚫	== Semi-protected edit request on 5 ~~December~~ ~~2021~~ ==

⚫	{{edit semi-protected\|Vancouver\|answered=yes}}
	I want to change the picture from the skyline to a beautiful collage of the city's landmarks I made. I just want to enlighten people of the landmarks of the city. Thank you for your answer ] (]) 19:39, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
	:] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> If you have a picture in mind that meets our ], feel free to link it here and reopen the request ] (]) 19:56, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

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In Population (2021)

Change:

 • Rank	1st in Canada

to:

• Rank	 8th in Canada

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_the_largest_municipalities_in_Canada_by_population Fridaynosaur (talk) 00:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Done Charliehdb (talk) 09:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Reverted: Vancouver is first in population DENSITY, which is what the infobox said and which I've now restored. Please be more careful when processing edit requests in the future. —Joeyconnick (talk) 04:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I think it's still a bit unclear. When looking at it, it's hard to see if the rank refers to the density or if it's on the same level as population. Especially since city population doesn't have a rank but metro does. Maybe we could add it to the end of the population number for the city too? E.g:

• City 662,248 (8th in Canada) Espionage7240 (talk) 10:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Inaccurate climate data, can someone edit?

Sunshine hours for Vancouver are the following, per Environment Canada: Jan 98.5, Feb 104.1, Mar 104.0, Apr 120.8, May 148.4, Jun 133.1, Jul 283.8, Aug 280.3, Sep 260.9, Oct 158.1, Nov 94.0, Dec 80.0. Annual 1866.0. See data here:

https://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_normals/results_1991_2020_e.html?searchType=stnName_1991&txtStationName_1991=vancouver&searchMethod=contains&txtCentralLatMin=0&txtCentralLatSec=0&txtCentralLongMin=0&txtCentralLongSec=0&stnID=360000000&dispBack=1

Click "Normals Data" tab, scroll down to "Cloud Amount (hours with)", and see first row ("0-2"). See also https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/weather-general-tools-resources/astronomy/cloud-forecast.html to make sense of what "0-2" means in this context (sunny weather). 137.132.27.170 (talk) 08:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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List of tall buildings in Vancouver

This section needs to include the former Trump Hotel tower - now called the Paradox Hotel Vancouver, as the second tallest building in the city of Vancouver. Also needs inclusion of the Butterfly tower. Bradross63 (talk) 02:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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