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| ==To anyone== | |||
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| I'd like to expand it a bit on this, but I think the book would be better than the film to expand...Anyone know why he wrote the book? ] 04:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :see Google. ] 21:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Share a ''Brazilian'' prison cell? == | |||
| Although the movie WAS filmed in ], the plot makes certain that the two people who have the main roles in the film are sharing a cell together, this is true. One is there for being caught with a underaged homosexual teenager (played by ]), and the other, is there as a political prisoner, played by ]. My point is that the film goes out of it's way ''not to name'' any specific Country where their crimes took place, as if to say, "someplace in a Country in South America..." I think it's misleading to say they share a Brazilian prison cell as a part of the plot, because having said this without references in the plot would render the statement ]ous.--] (]) 21:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :It's been a long time since I saw this film but I do remember seeing a small Brazilian flag in it. I think it was in the scene in a prison office. As I watched it I suspected it was filmed in São Paulo. I recall seeing the flag as a background decoration confirming this in my mind. It might not be unusual though to have a Canadian flag in a picture frame at a prison office in the US. The country is not specified in the movie but it seemed to me it was Brazil. ] (]) 10:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Since there was Portuguese writing (including copious graffiti) all over the place, I think there's no argument it was set anywhere but Brazil. Though this was a background feature, and not until the end (with his mother) did it occur to me that William Hurt's character was actually supposed to be Brazilian. ] (]) 03:23, 2 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == Homosexual man/transgender woman == | |||
| I got a question: why were the pages of the book and movie edited within the last 1-2 years to say "transgender woman" instead of gay man, when the book never portrays Molina as transgender woman and Molina's notes directly contradict this further, by cementing Molina as a (predatory) gay man who's seeking refuge in womanhood(or further: victimhood of the romantic women he idolizes) instead of facing his own self. | |||
| On no page I can find an explanation or source, and it seems to be simply an edit made by someone due to the self referencial "she" or Molina's line of cutting "it" off if he could. | |||
| Which strikes me as odd, since the first is nothing out of the ordinary in the scene for gay men, and the second a rare admission of guilt of his real self rather than a transgender statement. | |||
| Having studied Molina extensively, I couldn't recall any information about this that leads to a confirmation of said edit, which makes it seem hastily and unwarranted. Almost as if made by someone who misunderstood the material. | |||
| If someone has clarification I'd be thankful. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:18, 30 May 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :The current summary says Molina is a trans woman, but it still uses male pronouns for the character. That should be edited for consistency (either way).] 18:35, 17 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move 23 March 2024 == | |||
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| The result of the move request was: '''not moved.''' Given that the new film hasn't even come out yet, this is a case of ]. <small>(])</small> ] (]) 13:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| ] → {{no redirect|Kiss of the Spider Woman (1985 film)}} – There's an upcoming film that now has its own article. ] (]) 11:56, 23 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Comment''' Do we usually have articles for movies that haven't even been filmed yet? See ]. ] (]) 17:06, 23 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| *:], we do have an article on the upcoming film. ] (]) 17:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| *::Yes, I'm asking if that is justified for a film that doesn't yet exist. ] (]) 17:14, 23 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose''' per ]. When the main title header of ] is moved to ], this nomination can be reintroduced. —] <small>] • ]</small> 00:35, 24 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose''' as too soon. -- ] ] 11:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| * '''Support''' Per ] partial disambiguation for films is verboten. Unless the upcoming film is deleted or moved back to draft this should be done now. ] ] 15:31, 24 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| == Requested move 12 December 2024 == | |||
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| The result of the move request was: '''moved.''' Moved to ]. <small>(])</small> ]<sup>]</sup> 18:39, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| ] → {{no redirect|Kiss of the Spider Woman (1985 film)}} – Contrary to the time of the above RM, the upcoming film now has a date known. ] (]) 17:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| * '''Rename''' as I suggested before. ] ] 01:54, 13 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Support'''. ] (]) 20:54, 14 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Support''' the 1985 one has 10,764 views but the 2025 one has 2,240 plus 10,037] from the upcoming redirect due to the move a few days ago). ''']''' (]) 23:09, 15 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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To anyone
Anyone watching this page? I'd like to expand it a bit on this, but I think the book would be better than the film to expand...Anyone know why he wrote the book? Frostickle 04:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
- see Google. Luigibob 21:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for Image:Kiss Of The Spiderwoman.jpg
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Share a Brazilian prison cell?
Although the movie WAS filmed in Sao Paolo, Brazil, the plot makes certain that the two people who have the main roles in the film are sharing a cell together, this is true. One is there for being caught with a underaged homosexual teenager (played by William Hurt), and the other, is there as a political prisoner, played by Raul Julia. My point is that the film goes out of it's way not to name any specific Country where their crimes took place, as if to say, "someplace in a Country in South America..." I think it's misleading to say they share a Brazilian prison cell as a part of the plot, because having said this without references in the plot would render the statement libelous.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 21:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- It's been a long time since I saw this film but I do remember seeing a small Brazilian flag in it. I think it was in the scene in a prison office. As I watched it I suspected it was filmed in São Paulo. I recall seeing the flag as a background decoration confirming this in my mind. It might not be unusual though to have a Canadian flag in a picture frame at a prison office in the US. The country is not specified in the movie but it seemed to me it was Brazil. Skywayman (talk) 10:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Since there was Portuguese writing (including copious graffiti) all over the place, I think there's no argument it was set anywhere but Brazil. Though this was a background feature, and not until the end (with his mother) did it occur to me that William Hurt's character was actually supposed to be Brazilian. — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 03:23, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Homosexual man/transgender woman
I got a question: why were the pages of the book and movie edited within the last 1-2 years to say "transgender woman" instead of gay man, when the book never portrays Molina as transgender woman and Molina's notes directly contradict this further, by cementing Molina as a (predatory) gay man who's seeking refuge in womanhood(or further: victimhood of the romantic women he idolizes) instead of facing his own self.
On no page I can find an explanation or source, and it seems to be simply an edit made by someone due to the self referencial "she" or Molina's line of cutting "it" off if he could. Which strikes me as odd, since the first is nothing out of the ordinary in the scene for gay men, and the second a rare admission of guilt of his real self rather than a transgender statement.
Having studied Molina extensively, I couldn't recall any information about this that leads to a confirmation of said edit, which makes it seem hastily and unwarranted. Almost as if made by someone who misunderstood the material. If someone has clarification I'd be thankful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.11.74.229 (talk) 19:18, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- The current summary says Molina is a trans woman, but it still uses male pronouns for the character. That should be edited for consistency (either way).CRBoyer 18:35, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Requested move 23 March 2024
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. Given that the new film hasn't even come out yet, this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. (closed by non-admin page mover) 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 13:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Kiss of the Spider Woman (film) → Kiss of the Spider Woman (1985 film) – There's an upcoming film that now has its own article. Georgia guy (talk) 11:56, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Do we usually have articles for movies that haven't even been filmed yet? See WP:CRYSTAL. 162 etc. (talk) 17:06, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- 162 etc., we do have an article on the upcoming film. Georgia guy (talk) 17:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm asking if that is justified for a film that doesn't yet exist. 162 etc. (talk) 17:14, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- 162 etc., we do have an article on the upcoming film. Georgia guy (talk) 17:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:TOOSOON. When the main title header of Kiss of the Spider Woman (upcoming film) is moved to Kiss of the Spider Woman (202? film), this nomination can be reintroduced. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:35, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as too soon. -- Netoholic @ 11:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Per WP:PRIMARYFILM partial disambiguation for films is verboten. Unless the upcoming film is deleted or moved back to draft this should be done now. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:31, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Requested move 12 December 2024
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The result of the move request was: moved. Moved to Kiss of the Spider Woman (1985 film). (non-admin closure) cyberdog958 18:39, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Kiss of the Spider Woman (film) → Kiss of the Spider Woman (1985 film) – Contrary to the time of the above RM, the upcoming film now has a date known. Georgia guy (talk) 17:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Rename as I suggested before. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:54, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Theparties (talk) 20:54, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support the 1985 one has 10,764 views but the 2025 one has 2,240 plus 10,037] from the upcoming redirect due to the move a few days ago). Crouch, Swale (talk) 23:09, 15 December 2024 (UTC)