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WP:EXTENDED might be required due to Misplaced Pages:General sanctions/Armenia and Azerbaijan. Article creator does not have extended confirmed status.
Potentially WP:FRINGE sources. For example, with respect to this claim According to the migration-mixed hypothesis of Armeni ethnogenesis proposed by I. M. Diakonov, the Urartians, along with the Hurrians and Luwians, gradually adopted the Indo-European, Proto-Armenian language
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In The Oxford Handbook of Ancient Anatolia: (10,000-323 BCE), pp. 537-538:
According to one theory, the self-designation of the Armenians, hay , goes back to the earlier * hātiyos, “Hittite.” This is conceivable only on the assumption that masses of Proto-Armenians settled in one of the Neo-Hittite states, perhaps Melid (Diakonoff 1984 :125–27).
From self-designation to what is mentioned above is quite a jump.
Also uses massively outdated sources such as belonged to the Armenoid race of populations
, which cites a source from 1957 Bogazicili (talk) 17:09, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- I was also reviewing the page at the same time, and was about to remove that last claim. We don't do "scientific racism" here.More to the point, the topic of Urartian people (as in, the Urartian-speaking ethnic group, partially overlapping with but distinct from the population of Urartu) is very likely notable, but holy crap that article needs a rewrite. It is not clear whether WP:EXTENDED automatically applies (as the article might fall under the second point rather than the first), so my first choice would be keep, but rewrite to at least remove the WP:FRINGE material. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:16, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Pretty much all the sources seem fringe though. The earlier "theory" has a source from 1983. I didn't even read what's in the link, since my browser is giving a security warning for that page. There are no high quality WP:Secondary sources. No peer reviewed journal articles. Bogazicili (talk) 17:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- An article about Urartians or Urartian people is missing in English-language Misplaced Pages. But it needs to be written WP:RS. Misplaced Pages:Competence is required might also be relevant here. Bogazicili (talk) 17:17, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Ethnic groups, History, and Armenia. Shellwood (talk) 17:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - the topic is notable. Deriannt (talk) 19:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)