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I have to agree

Per username choice and editing issues...I have to agree with your rationale here! I saw his odd edit to the talkpage of another newbie(?) in the form of a welcome message at the bottom (easter egging Democracy to Dictatorship, etc.) as another clue. Thanks for protecting wittle ole me.--MONGO 11:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

You don't say, I didn't see that. I guess I never properly appreciated the hate-mongering potential of easter eggs before. Bishonen | talk 11:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

About a year and a half ago, I made a joke about someone being really silly...or something like that. Best wishes!--MONGO 12:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

If the traditional easter egg is deprecated, how about a life-size chocolate Christ on the cross? My Sweet Lord! -- ALoan (Talk) 12:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

...sans loincloth... The Rambling Man 12:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, it is being displayed in Nieuw Amsterdam, I understand... Hare hare. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Tip for RfA report

If you want to override the formatting on the rfa report box you can do something like this:

{| align=left !important;
|{{Misplaced Pages:Bureaucrats' noticeboard/RfA Report}}
|}
<div style="clear:left;"></div>

That is what I am doing User:HighInBC#Current_RfAs. _InBC 16:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Uh, ok, thanks, I'll keep that in mind. Or keep it in my icebox, rather, in case of future requirements. It happened to be formatted for sitting just where I like it right now, in the whitespace to the right of the TOC. Bishonen | talk 17:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

personal attacks

Here is the "in a nutshell" summing up of the policy on no personal attacks.

This page in a nutshell: Comment on content, not on the contributor.

How can a section called "Davkal" posibly be anything other than a forum for discussing me rather than content I have added. It is not even called "Davkal's recent edits" or "davkal's POV" but simply "Davkal". That is, we are now going to comment on the the subject "Davkal", ie. a contributor. And this is clear breach of the policy on personal attacks. Please refraion from such attacks. Davkal 11:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, alack, alack! Betimes an account is editing destructively or tendentiously and administrators have to soothe, counsel, or intervene with such an account holder. Therefore, a discussion of a person's online habitus is necessary from time to time, and if the goal is to best and most peacefully manage rather than "attack," there is the fulfilling of policy mandate. Geogre 12:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I get it entirely, but this is obviously an April Fool's joke, right? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I would say that is either a joke, or a major misunderstanding of the NPA policy, that is not even uncivil, much less a personal attack. _InBC 15:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Just a heads-up (now lay back down)

Hi. Just want to mention that your deletion of the RfC on me is referenced at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Another weird one User:Anynobody using Editor Review as a back-door User RfC on me. I am really sorry to be back over there but I do not think that I should leave this latest bit of weirdness unaddressed. Again, this is just so you know; you can fluff up your pillows and have another sip of juice. Later. --Justanother 14:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I have commented. Geogre, Brad, this might interest you too. Bishonen | talk 15:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC).

Thanks, one can hope this is the end of it. It all started with what I now see as a troll on where he tried to engage me on my talk page over Hubbard's military career, something I have very little interest in. User talk:Justanother/Archive7#"Lessons" response to Anynobody (moved from article talk). He got zero traction there and had to bow out but had more luck engaging me at Barbara Schwarz as that article has little place here and is a ~~blatant example~~ typical example (there are blatant examples, she is simply typical) of what these soapboxers do (whoops, there's mine) and also coming to my talk page to engage me and really get me going, User talk:Justanother/Archive4#What are you saying, exactly?. In the end, just a troll. Anywho, thanks. --Justanother 17:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC) (add 17:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC))

User talk:Gwen Gale

Bishonen, small request of you. User:Ryulong seems to have inadvertently semi-protected User:Gwen Gale's talk page. He protected it for 3 hours but that was at 10:57 and it's now 15:06 and still protected... can you look into this? Thanks. (→Netscott) 15:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, it looks unprotected now. Bishonen | talk 15:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC).

She's sent me e-mail saying she can't edit it. (→Netscott) 16:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Could be a browser issue, esp. if she uses Internet Exploder. They often stop really trying once they get a result 3 times. She should hard refresh, close the browser and come back, etc. If she's got an AOL rolling IP, of course, all bets are off. Geogre 18:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for your support in my recent successful RfA. --Anthony.bradbury 17:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Apologies

You are right and I am squirming with embarrassment: my only explanation is that is was St. Patrick's Day and I was with some rowdy friends who have been following the various WikiDramas and I made the stupid mistake of allowing them access to my password after imbibing in Murphy’s Irish Stout. Although I did not personally type those words, it was still my fault in having very poor judgment of who I should give personal and privileged information; must always be careful who you choose to trust. I apologize; mea culpa, etc.GrownUpAndWise 04:33, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hthc

I was about to put the Uw-test2 template on Hthc's talk page. If someone puts vandalism like that and it is a first offence, what template do you put on? I have just started with Lupin's vandalism tool, as i do not have enough edits for VandalProof Themcman1 16:32, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

They blanked substantial parts of two articles—most of Gay, in fact. It's a first offence, well, that's true, but it's also pretty much the first thing they do at all. The account has only seven edits altogether. That makes a difference, and I definitely wouldn't go with simply {{Uw-test}}. I guess the person lives in Truro... lol. Your notion of test 2 sounds all right to me. I think I may have gone a little overboard with the {{blatantvandal}}. That's assuming that the Truro edits are good, and not sneaky vandalism. It's hard to tell, all the way from here. Bishonen | talk 16:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

Why do the vandals attack the article on the author of Trivia (poem) and The Beggar's Opera? He was a man much more sinned against than sinning -- gentle, erudite, clever, and the most done-by man in the epoch (excepting the really famous cases like Christopher Smart and, one supposes, Richard Savage). Geogre 01:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I get it!

That thing Geogre said, "Willy hears you. Willy don't care." That's from Grade School Confidential, an episode of The Simpsons. Edna and Skinner proclaim their love over a loudspeaker, and Willy, the only one around, responds with the line. I.e. "I've got work to do." Took a while. Utgard Loki 16:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Afternoon tea...

... was it? May I be so bold as to make a request for Earl Grey, hot - Lady Grey, if you have it. -- ALoan (Talk) 18:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

ALoan is the beau in the blue coat, friends. But is Bishonen the beauty in red, or the motherly body on the right bringing in the tray? You be the judge, and remember, this is a Japanese tea ceremony. Bishzilla will be along to stomp on it shortly. ALoan, look, "Beau" is a specialist twelve-string guitar player, do something! Bishonen | talk 19:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

My dear Bishonen. <bows deeply> Would you like me to play something suitable on my biwa? -- ALoan (Talk) 19:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Given the number of people here already, perhaps the Frühstück sur l'herbe should become a Fête champêtre? -- ALoan (Talk) 19:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's me in the corner. Geogre 10:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Behind the screen? Most wise. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Another pop culture reference? I think Geogre is taking a cue from our new overlords and deciding to become an expert in culture of the last ten minutes (or years). Utgard Loki 12:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I liked the video's story better than Stipe's. I've never been a good juggler. Geogre 12:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

We have new overlords? Again? Well, at least we'll know what's in the sandwiches. I too have bowed to the demand for pop culture items: Call-girl Sally stabs top toff in London nightspot! Yomangani 14:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Cool! Now, just change her name to Paris or Courtney and her residence to Laguna Beach, and you'll have a featured article! You'll need to write to her publicist for a more revealing photo, though, as that one seems to be in black and white. (Since the parasites have drained the blood from every academic article, the only ones to go by are the ones they don't look at, which are the popular meme anime flash sprite fad starlet ones.) Utgard Loki 14:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and you place writers might note the charming warning about Cremorne Gardens, London. Utgard Loki 14:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm almost lost for words. I've removed it, but I've been inspired I've come up with my own template which I shall add at the top of all articles mentioning elephants (...or any that look like they might do in the future...or link to articles that mention elephants): Yomangani 15:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

This article mentions elephants but doesn't specify African or Indian
You can help by specifying which. Please don't be overly precise.

Great tag. Now we need one for camels. Is it dromedary or Asian? "This article mentions arid regions and does not specify which type of camel goes there." Geogre 10:25, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention rhinoceroses - black? white? Indian? Javan? -- ALoan (Talk) 11:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

This article is about a person, but does not state what they had for breakfast.
You can help by specifying what they ate. Please don't be overly precise.

I double dog dare you to apply that to an already-draped bio article (i.e. one that They have already tagged for facts, references, coordinates, tone, voice, theme, imagery, etc.). So there! Geogre 11:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I am four days too late, really. The trick would be finding somewhere appropriate. Perhaps Jack Sheppard - This article is about a person who was executed, but does not state what they ate for their last meal.? (We know he drank some sack along the way, but did he have some pork scratchings too?) -- ALoan (Talk) 12:21, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

This article is about an Anglican, but does not state whether they are high church or low church.
You can help by specifying which. Please don't be overly precise.

Those things have been appearing like wildfire over the wiki. Easier to tag that an article "needs" coordinates than actually add them, of course. The appearance of motion without any movement.

In other news, apparently I need to discuss removing an unsourced claim that a school is "one of the finest and most prestigious educational institutions in the world" and was founded by a "renowned" Canadian educator (who has no article). (Which also deletes my formatting improvements, to boot.) -- ALoan (Talk) 18:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Featured Wikimood suggestion

How about Levée?

Needs more head adjustors. El_C 19:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Mind the deportment there, El C. Good idea, The Land, very fetching. I had a more obvious option in mind for the next salon mood, I confess. Bishonen | talk 19:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

Levée and levity - I have always wondered about that smartly dressed thin chap with crossed legs and ?curlers in his hair, sipping his ?tea... Anyway, I shall be Silvertongue - would you care to attend the masquerade, m'dear? Some more madeira? -- ALoan (Talk) 19:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Him? That's one of our youngest admins. I think those are dreadlocks, and the Duchess is going to pitch into his lap if he's not careful. Bishonen | talk 19:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

He might like that, although he may lean the other way, hmm. The plump ?Italian chap on the left looks like he is catching flies... -- ALoan (Talk) 19:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I guess you didn't finish the Uglow bio ALoan, she tells you all about the thin chap: A fop in curl-papers points his toe and sips his chocolate, an exaggeratedly over-perfect illustration from Lairesse, who specified that it was correct to hold things lightly and "in appropriate instances to extend one's little finger elegantly". The plump Italian chap is a castrato, so perhap caught something in his flies earlier. Apparently the Countess B has been identified as Mrs Lane-Fox. Have I outed your true identity, Bishonen? Yomangani 23:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I didn't finish the bio..? Anything you say. And you tell me, don't most admins wear curl-papers and rouge ? Bishonen | talk 00:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

I've cleverly retrofitted my statement with an ALoan (they are useful for many things). I have no need for curl papers as I never go out without my periwig. It gives me a judicial look when I block new users for arguing with me. Yomangani 00:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Iritating.

I manage to miss putting quotes around one word, and I get jumped on? Cheers, Ben Aveling 19:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Miss putting quotes? You said focussing on irritating users was a beneficial action. I don't see how quotes would have helped. What you said was nothing like what you say now. Bishonen | talk 20:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Ah, I see what you mean. Bish, I changed a sentance that was talking about problem users in an attempt to make clear that it was not just problem users that were being targeted. By leaving in place too much of the old sentance, the result was not what it was supposed to be. Well, oops. You saw the rest of the changes that I made in the same edit. You know I was around when it all happened, and that I put an oar in. Did you really think that I would have suddenly changed my mind and decided that the targetting that happened was beneficial? Regards, Ben Aveling 08:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

You seem to have a beef with me, Ben, but I don't quite understand what it is. If your edit didn't say what you meant it to, don't you think it benefited from my rewrite? But I was mainly focused on adding stuff, that the text (not yours, but the original text) swept under the carpet IMO. For instance I figured it was wrong to mention the kickban powers of the ops without mentioning that they had been abused. (I still don't see much point in mentioning them at all—the whole thing is rather too detailed IMO—but if they're in there, it shouldn't be in an uncritical way.) Heck, I'd been around rather more closely than you, you know? I'd been kickbanned for nothing, mobbed, I'd had the "pleasure" of hearing my absent friends trashed as bad users and as a net minus for the wiki. (By the chanops themselves.) No, I didn't think you suddenly changed your mind, but I couldn't tell you'd written the opposite of what you meant, either——I'm sorrry, but that sort of thing is hard to know, and generally clear only to the writer. I never expected you to resent having me input more accurate information and/or fixing up your sentence that (as I now realize) said the opposite of what you meant. I still don't understand it. Would you agree my edit was an improvement? Did you notice Tony Sidaway immediately reverted my version back to yours, and does that suggest anything to you? What is the problem? Please be more explicit. Was my edit summary tactless ("jumped on" you?) If so, I'm sorry, it wasn't meant to be. I just wanted to explain my changes. Bishonen | talk 12:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

The page is vastly improved. I was actually a bit hesitant to edit it in the first place, because I didn't know if I would be opening a can of worms. But I didn't want to leave it as it was either. The problem I had with your edit summary, which you did direct at me ("Ben, ...") was that it seemed to stop just short of accusing me of lying ("truth trumps NPOV..."). Now when some random troll accuses me of something, that's all so much water off a duck's back. But when someone I respect has a go at me, well, it hurt. Anyway, shit happens. Apology offered, apology accepted. Let's move on. ObOffTopic: Have been reading "White Death", Robert Edward's book on the Russian/Finish war; very interesting. Cheers, Ben Aveling 17:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Le Pen Image Error.

File:Lepen74.jpg. Bish; this is doctored. Can we get it deleted? Bo-Lingua 05:28, 5 April 2007 (UTC) (see my comments and crosslink on the talk page.)

Clearly doctors have been involved in fitting him with the eye patch. (Is the image in use anywhere? I like to nuke things, but if someone is using it as a userpage joke, it might be protected as parody.) Geogre 11:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

It's a good fake if it is one: it looks dodgy but the pixels match up very nicely if you zoom in on it. Le Pen claimed that he had lost his left eye when he was savagely beaten during the 1958 election campaign. Testimonies suggest however that he was only wounded in the right eye and did not lose it. He lost sight in his left eye years later, due to an illness. Yomangani 11:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Yet in the pictures of him on the french wiki, his eyes seem just fine. If it's correct and not doctored-up, that's just fine. It just looked QUITE dodgy to me, and since there _is_ a campaign on and he _is_ a major candidate, I thought we should be careful, after all. Bo-Lingua 22:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

It's a lovely little armoire for my archives. Thanks for that. Geogre 11:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Heh, glad you like it. I found it on the web and uploaded it to Commons especially for you! Feel free to exchange it for the chest of drawers here on my page, or any image you like: if you take a look at the new code that has appeared on your page, you'll see exactly where the image goes. The box will adjust itself automagically to any image, so there's no fiddling. Why not try it out with the photo of scary gun-wielding geogre guarding his valuable records? Bishonen | talk 13:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

Is there any image of a gun-wielding Geogre that isn't scary? Utgard Loki 16:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Good edit

I like it. ElinorD (talk) 00:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, icecream lady! Now we'll have to see if other people think it's enough to say it once. Would you like be the young lady in the liseuse in the wikimood picture? Bishonen | talk 00:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

I like it too, more readable, I re-added a little bit of info that got left out though. _InBC 00:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Excellent edit. KillerChihuahua 00:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Tad102

thanks for filling me in on that one Bishonen. What intrigues me is how on earth did you come across the message that I left at User talk:Tad102? If anything that shows some pretty dedicated "user contributions" sleuthing there!

Do you know Tad102? Having a look at his log and edits worries me a bit - he might be harming the project unintetionally. First was the unecessary blanking of Misplaced Pages when he really should have just removed the vandalism. But also there is a whole series of "Fair use" images and screen captures that he has uploaded . These appear to have almost universally attracted criticism for unjustified Fair Use criteria but this fact didn't seem to stop him. In fact, he appears to get quite angry when anyone does anything he doesn't like (such as the message you linked to me) and also here.

If you do know this guy, could you go through some of the relevant policies and norms of behaviour with him - starting with WP:CIVIL? Thanks. Witty lama 00:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Är du svensk? Om ja, var bor du - jag är i Lund... Witty lama

Svarat på din sida. Bishonen | talk 01:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC).

But your english is very good - even for a swede. My guess is that you weren't raised in Sweden, am I correct? As for the followup edit to wikipedia, I don't think that had anything to do with any vandalism, it was just the removal of that, admittedly, rather strange box at the top of the article. By the way, could you go and block this guy: User:DAGAME01? His edits have been consistent vandalism to Wrestling pages with a general theme of adding false info about John Cena into articles . Thanks. I would do it myself, but not being an admin makes that kind of hard :-P

don't worry about the blocking - User:Alphachimp beat me to it! Witty lama

Minor Template:vww Note

Minor reminder: You might want to have a look at Misplaced Pages:Avoid the word "vandal" for linking into Template:vww. _{Luc "Somethingorother" French} 02:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Cueing Mortal Kombat theme . . .

Real96 has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Thanks

File:OldThinker.jpg

User:Justanother takes an interest in something else while waiting to be unblocked.

Thanks a lot for mentioning my unblock request on AN/I. Otherwise I fear that I might have waited a bit longer (see image) --Justanother 00:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Very nice self-portrait there, JA. Bishonen | talk 09:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

Thanks. I really do need to put on some weight. --Justanother 11:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Happy Easter!

File:Eastereggs.jpg

All the best! --Irpen

Oh, wow, they're awesome. Thank you very much, Irps. Bishonen | talk 09:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

Nice!

Hi Bishonen, nice work on the Personal branding article, looks like that was just what it needed! --09:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, thanks, Joanne. I do like to keep these fluff pieces short! Bishonen | talk 09:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

Unsolicited opinion: isn't "Employee Branding" outlawed by the UN Declaration on Human Rights? I don't want my flesh singed by my employer, because I change jobs a lot, and I'll run out of room. (Oh, and the article is written in authentic business gibberish and high cant. It's incomprehensible, unhelpful, and likely illicit.) Don't fence me in, and don't brand me once I'm in the corral. Utgard Loki 12:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

{{sofixit}}, dear Henry. I bet writing your comment above took longer than doing a brisk enstubbification. Bishonen | talk 12:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

Sorry, but they have not granted me the flamethrower, so I cannot fix it. Remember: fire is the cleanser. Utgard Loki 13:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not joking: I honestly can't figure out what employee branding is. I know it's not marking their flesh with a hot iron, but, beyond that, it seems to be that... that... workers become known as "X workers" and therefore have a corporate ethos so strong that all who work there are subsumed into the ideology and bear it upon their general identity. I suppose that happens, although I don't think it happens as any conscious strategy from the bosses or the workers. "IBM guy" and "Bell Labs guy" used to exist, but I don't think IBM or AT&T meant them to. Or else it means... uh... something else, but it was so circuitous that I honestly couldn't grasp it. I like to learn things. Utgard Loki 16:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and Bishonen, I'll fix the hole in my bucket, but what do you make of this? Utgard Loki 16:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

No assertion of significance..? The Danish homepage is a little, I don't know, vague about the "school" aspect. You may wish to remove the school stub cat. Anyway, I've given its mother a Sicilian haircut. Bishonen | talk 17:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

Well, I possess the magic lawn mower, and I kilt the first one. I figure you know whether you want to kill the second one or not, so I will be merciful unto it for the time being. Howsomeever, I'd really be tempted to kiln that one, too, as it looks like some dude in a bathrobe to me. Geogre 23:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I am not a deletionist. I am a random pagist. I hit "random," if I look at Misplaced Pages at all, and I see junk like this! Good grief! Is no one at all with admin tools doing New Pages Patrol? Do they all just watchlist each other and fight petty battles over who has power and who doesn't, while the whole encyclopedia turns into Everything2 without the quality control of the latter? I lak'd to throwed up. Utgard Loki 15:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Alkalada

Could You please take a look at User_talk:Alkalada. I tried over formally, but no one's paying attention (holidays I suppose).

BTW have a happy (late) Easter! :))) --PaxEquilibrium 23:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Pax. Have you tried asking User:Fred Bauder? See, I've already blocked Hahahihihoho indefinitely once, and when he appealed to the Arbitration Committee, Fred unblocked him for another chance at responsible editing. I've been watching some, and know he's been causing trouble. But if he has altogether squandered his second chance, it should really, logically, be up to Fred, or the ArbCom generally, to re-block indefinitely, this time for good.

OK... (checking) I see you have written to Fred. (Er, why do you say Alkalada is a meatpuppet (=a friend)? Surely he's Hahahihihoho's sockpuppet, i. e. the same person?) Fred's only been not-editing for about a day. Maybe it can wait till Fred returns and responds? Please get back to me if that takes more than another day or two, or if Alkalada edits so disruptively that he must be stopped right away. You can probably tell that I'd rather not have to try to get my head round what's happening on that talkpage... groan. Best wishes, Bishonen | talk 00:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

Yeah, I meant sock-puppet.

He most definitely used his second chance out.

BTW Fred Bauer did not respond (but he did return). --PaxEquilibrium 17:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

He did not respond, but he did block. For yet another month. I think that block log is getting a little ridiculous, and I'm posting on Fred's page to say so. Bishonen | talk 18:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

Stuff them ballots!

Now the footnote counters are resorting to polls to have their interpretations instituted. Have a look at this nonsense...

Peter 16:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Que?

Why have you a picture of a sarcophagus depicting your archives? - I'm having enough trouble with poor Eleanora's skeleton withut you becoming sepulchre! Giano 18:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Have you never seen a chest of drawers before? Trust you to keep your socks in a sarcophagus. Speaking of Eleonora trouble, did you notice that Eleonora de Toledo (sic, with "de") has been a redirect to Cosimo I de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany since forever? Originally created by Wetman. (I fixed it today.) Bishonen | talk 18:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

Did you know - that one of the Medici had a wife who talked to much? - so he hung her using one of the ties of the drapes - how cool is that? Giano 20:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Please contact me

I've been trying to get in touch with you off-wiki for a day now. Please contact me asap. Durova 03:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

thank you

Hey Bishy!! Long time no talk. How’s it going? I tried to contact you off-site yesterday, but you didn’t reply. (I digress a bit on that, might seem a lil emotional) So anyway, I took a lil break and apparently this Ideogram guy is going to want to destroy me on wikipedia. I guess this is the end huh? To be honest with you (and everybody else who is reading this), deep down, I always knew this moment will arrive. Things will escalate out of control and the “LionHeartX/RevolverOcelotX/Guardian Tiger/Apolystic Destroyer (‘s) or whatever he’s called right now’s fan community” will show up and devour me. If that’s the way it is, I got no regret, only that I will make sure to tell everyone that ‘pedia is not a reliable source to gather information. Remember the 1st time we met? You called me a “vexatious litigant” and a “pest” (that description seems to fit Ideogram right now) and kicked me out of AN/I. After so many months of your tireless mentoring, I really put in a lot of effort to reform and tried my best not to disappoint you. Now, I’m saddened, even more disappointed when Centrx put a 1-second unjust punitive block in my block log, when the checkuser for Guardian Tiger got turned down, when David Levy blocked me for that UI spoofing episode, when LionHeartX got unblocked, and when Viridae blocked me for 3RR by accusing me of violating the “spirit” but no the actual rule while Ideogram walked away unharmed even though he “violated” 3RR himself (only to self-revert after seeing I have reported him). If you don’t want to get involved in newly-filed arbCom case (more like a personal attack forum against me), I can totally understand your reasons. (Ideogram and Sumple insulted you, maybe you should get Zilla involve ) But I will really appreciate if you can make a fair statement/assessment on the arbCom case. Lastly, I want to thank you for all the things you’ve done for me and the project as a whole. Thanks Bish!--Certified.Gangsta 08:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Gangsta. I'll comment all right, but I thought it might be more useful to do it after the case has been accepted, as it looks like being. Bishonen | talk 21:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

Sure sounds good.--Certified.Gangsta 17:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

psst!

psst! hey! What does "per nom" mean? I don't want anyone to know that I don't know. Bladestorm 18:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

It means you agree with the reasons the nominator gave. Bishonen

thank you! Bladestorm 21:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Decorum and good taste

Dear Mrs Bishonen,

As an administrator of impeccable taste and good standing I would be most grateful if you would delete this horrible page here purporting to be a sculptor. It is very nasty, and I'm sure no one would wish to display such "art" in a nice drawing room - especially one such as mine in contrasting chintz with hand stamped Colefax and Fowler! I can't imagine poor Mrs Spears posed for that disgraceful work, and it certainly does not show her at her best - I can't think what her mid-wife was thinking of - and as for the last "statuette" I've seen more artistry produced on the Aubusson by my pedigree pekinise Tallulah while suffering from a nasty bout of dysentery. - Thank the good Lord for people like ourselves upholding decency. I'm just so relieved that my brother "Scrotie" has not seen it he is a most impressionable youth, like that nice little BoG. Catherine de Bourgh (Lady) 11:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

^ The Most Noble Scrotum Paget-FitzTudor, 14th Earl of Bognor

My dear Lady Catherine, are you saying the great "I must, I must Increase my bust Scrotum" is your brother? Wonderful! Bishonen | talk 21:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

Yuk! - How do we know that is really Brittany Spears? - it doesn't look like her to me. Giano 21:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow, have you seen her from that angle? Bishonen | talk 22:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

Not recently but I have to say I am with Lady C on this one. Giano 22:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Are you perchance Lady C's lover? Paul August ☎ 21:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Your Opinion

Bish,

Can I get your opinion on this article and the associated wiki-indecision Moho (Mormon Homosexual)? Bo-Lingua 22:08, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I finally did, sorry for the belatedness. Bishonen | talk 16:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

This user

Hi, you placed an indef block template on Kilda (talk · contribs), but the block log shows zero blocks for the user, so I removed it. I'm sure it was in good faith, and don't think it's worth getting discoarged over. If you think I miscalculated on this, you can feel free to leave me a message on my talk page.--U.S.A.U.S.A.U.S.A. (talk) 02:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

My mistake again, it showed in that hidden log. Apologies, and I will be sure to undo that action. Falsely placing indef block templates is a serious offense, but I think even if you did make that mistake, you still did it in good faith, and you were correct all along.--U.S.A.U.S.A.U.S.A. (talk) 02:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

It certainly is confusing, I don't understand it myself. Why do we have two logs? Bishonen | talk 05:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

Your opinion if possible

Hello again, its been a while (the Yeti and and the trials of turning 50). This note is regarding (its "legendary" mountain in Wales) and its spelling. Yesterday I supplied a broader set of citations and references (probably overkill but they can be removed by consensus), what we have is a user, with opposed views (which is ok) who has deleted nearly all of them and has supplied some quite heated remarks. The citations/references were added to support the notion that the name of the mountain and its spelling/history is not soley confined to the Welsh speakers, writers and local publications. The citations consisted of original work done in 1200 appx (when Llywelyn was alive), the Royal Geographical Society a few other none Welsh books and white papers from Journals. I didn't write much more that one sentence in the article, but just about everything was deleted by the one user. Could you take a look at the last version by Gowron and see if I have been "ridiculous/stupid", if I have I the fair enough. P.S. I did complete more detailed work on the Yeti which seems to have been accepted, so thanks the comments there also. Best regards. (Gowron 09:05, 12 April 2007 (UTC))

History of women's suffrage in the United States

Hi, Bishonen. Would you take a look at a repeated anon entry on this article and do any appropriate admin thing? The sentence has been submitted from a number of IP#'s and I have reverted a number of times in recent past. The statement is clearly POV and inflammatory, and I suspect the editor thinks HE is being cute. Thanks.... and I hope things get better for you. What a wiki-mood! Best........WBardwin 05:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Hiya, W, thanks for the heads-up. I've semiprotected the suffrage article with a note on the talkpage. Oh, Godzilla's nothing, wait till you see a Bishzilla mood...! Bishonen | talk 10:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC).

The vandal hit the article. Soon afterward, Don Imus got fired! Geogre 15:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! WBardwin 21:33, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Women got the vote, and the dust bowl occurred soon after! Geogre 20:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Rhetoric

Like your edits to List of women rhetoricians. Reading between the lines of the talk page that list seems to have started life as an article, which probably explains some of the editorializing. Things are exploding with Category:Women writers at the moment and so I'm delighted to see someone with a clear eye taking, er, a firm hand. — scribbling woman 00:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll be back. I just realized how curious it is that hardly any of the women on the list have any nationality. And it's pretty curious that they're all Westerners, too. I can almost think of the names of some Japanese ones... Bishonen | talk 02:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC).

Spelling by ye propour forme

See talk:John Arbuthnot. A person flooding us with the complete genealogy of the Arbuthnot family has now decided that, not having contributed anything to the article, it is simply unconscionable that it remain in "American" English, and so we have yet another mid-Atlantic goulash to "regularise" those spellingss. I'm at 3RR, though, and I despise the pettiness of this kind of change so much that I'm tempted too strongly to go beyond. Geogre 01:47, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:MOS isn't as simplistic on this issue as some people think. I've put in a few quotes from it on the talkpage. However... what's the point of semiprotection? Please unprotect, Geogre. Bishonen | talk 02:39, 17 April 2007 (UTC).

I have. Essentially, I thought I was dealing with hydra accounts to achieve the aim (edit warring and gaming 3RR). Since I had been on the talk page and presented a case, it seemed to me that reverting within seconds by many hands was useless and needed to be stopped. As it turns out, the accounts doing the British spelling for Grand Little England were not new accounts, and I was mistaken. I maintain still, however, that this wretched desire to go through and simplistically say "This person was British (when the United States didn't exist at the time, so there was no option) and so I have to change the spelling to a form that the person himself or herself would never have used because, in the middle of the 19th century, some British folks found reforms practiced by Americans but thought of by British folks and American folks to be non-U" is tantamount to not only childishness but an attack and an edit war. The number of arguments against a change (aside from "status quo is always better than any unreasoned change") are endless, and those for are "a thirteen year old last year worked in a bit like this in the MoS and I can't read very well." Blug. Bad luck to all nationalists. Geogre 10:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Customer experience management

Good catch, though it leaves us with a bit of a mess. I've explained on the talk page. --Ronz 02:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Mess? Mess? Not at all! /me rolls up sleeves, gets out her flamethrower. On second thoughts, I'll take a look at the other ones tomorrow. Feel free to speedy tag 'em, if you care to! Bishonen | talk 02:33, 17 April 2007 (UTC).

All speedied as copyvios. That was simpler than I thought, they were incredibly obvious. OK, the encyclopedia improved! :-) Bishonen | talk 11:36, 17 April 2007 (UTC).

and there was much rejoicing! --Ronz 16:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

LOL, nice meeting you! File:SoleteRayosÑajo.gif Bishonen | talk 16:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC).

Likewise! --Ronz 16:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Opinions?

This is the "controversial subjects noticeboard," isn't it? I've been bopping along, doing my random article thing, and I hit Karah Parshad. Now, the thing is clearly a how-to guide, and it's obviously not well done, but I can't figure out if it's a speedy delete as trivia, as an alternate name for a dish known better by another name, or a legitimate thing that needs the Manx cat treatment (stubbification). Since you seem to have all sorts of disagreeable people agreeably at your talk page (among whom I count myself), I thought I'd throw this out. How you manage to have all these people who disagree with everyone agreeing with you is one of those mysteries that may never be solved. Utgard Loki 13:11, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Flattery will win the day, Loki! I cultivate an adorable personality and have User:Bishzilla snarling at my heels ready to do my bidding, that's all. Karah Parshad is good info IMO, except that the reference to Ghee (clarified butter) as "oil" seems to be a mistake. Oh my, though... the first thing is to redirect the identical articles at Karah Prasad and Karah Prashad--sigh--and write a note to the creator of all of them... groan. OK, I've done that. Karah Parshad is the most common form on Google, so that gets to be it. How about you remove the how-to bits and make a nice little stub, hmm? Mind you, sampling Category:Sikh terms, which was how I spotted the duplicates, I notice much worse problems with some other articles there. Maybe you'd like to take a mailed fist to the non-standard formatting of such as Sewadar? Move the quotes to Wikiquote, for instance. Bishonen | talk 15:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC).

I have done both, but I still regard these as highly suspect, especially "sewadar." That seems to be no more than a dictionary definition of a foreign language term. I don't see any way that it differs from "volunteer." At any rate, I handled the quote with my usual delicacy. Utgard Loki 16:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Guilt by association

Hi there Bishonen. Wonder if you can help me with this one?

I've been engaged in a debate over content at the "Allegations of Israeli apartheid" page. Specifically, I have objected to the inclusion of unsavoury characters like Idi Amin, white supremacists and holocaust deniers being listed as supporters of the apartheid analogy alongside reputable people like President Jimmy Carter and Archbishop Desmond Tutu. It looks to me like a clear use of association fallacy, or loosely speaking, guilt by association.

I initially objected on the grounds that people like Idi Amin and David Duke are not reliable sources and that therefore they should not be quoted, but my opponents argue they are not being quoted as reliable sources, but merely "catalogued" as people who have used the analogy. I've tried to find some means of clarifying the issue in Wiki policies and guidelines but without any luck.

Is there something I've missed, or are there no effective policies on who can be quoted in an article?

Also, I can't help noticing in my travels other instances of logical fallacies in articles, like poisoning the well for example. It occurs to me that perhaps there should be some sort of Wiki guideline discouraging the use of such tactics in editing? Because this sort of thing really drags the quality of some articles down in my opinion.

Thanks, Gatoclass 10:24, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't asked, but the only defense is in the text itself. There are people who make the analogy simply as a figure of speech (the white supremacists) and those who make it as an analogy (Jimmy Carter). The former would also include any number of "shock jocks" and far right wing talk show hosts in the US. What they're doing is looking for any term of accepted evil and adding it to "Israel" to try to make their attack. It's not much different from "Islamofascist" in that regard: "fascist" plus "thing you don't like." It's not a comparison at all. Instead, it is just a figure of speech in an attack that reflects no more consideration or political philosophy than "Republican Party Darfur" would.

To try to defend against the Aspberger's-like impulse of Wikipedians, you have to work inside the article itself. There is no way to stop Wikipedians from lists that I've seen. They love lists. They love lists of lists. They love category tags with lists of category tags in a box and template. Whether the people here are just doing the Wikipedian obsessive compulsion or trying to winkle in some argument by analogy (or guilt by association), the best thing I can think of would be a heading. "Political theorists" making the analogy and "public figures using the term." The latter could include the clowns. The former would contain only a few people.

If you do that, the actual list mongers should leave it alone. If they don't leave it alone, if they want it all mixed into a stew, then you have pretty solid grounds for defending the article from them. FWIW. Geogre 11:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I like lists too ya know :p

In general I agree with your proposal. While I really don't think such characters should be listed at all (I mean, does the reader really need to know that the usual bunch of antisemites have jumped on the bandwagon?) my primary objection is that these crackpots are interleaved in the text with the more credible critics, which has the effect of making them all look like a bunch of kooks. So I've been trying to think of a way to categorize them separately myself.

I'm not sure that "political theorists" and "public figures" would work though, because someone will probably argue that's an artificial distinction. One would think there'd be some way to categorize them separately, but I just haven't quite managed to think of one yet :) Gatoclass 12:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

"Treatments of the theme" vs. "Uses of the phrase?" Utgard Loki 14:14, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

A tad too nuanced to survive the rough and tumble of the Arab-Israeli pages, methinks :) Gatoclass 16:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Insult

Hi Bishonen. I assure you that the "community = Certified.Gangsta fanclub" comment was not intended to be an insult. It was my view of your actions in regard to Certified.Gangsta, which I disagree with. However, it was not intended to be an insult, and I do not see it as an insult. If you were insulted, I express my regret and retract my statement.

At the same time, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that I never labelled Certified.Gangsta's comments about the LionHeartX fanclub an "insult". --Sumple (Talk) 01:22, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Spreading incorrect spelling far and wide

I've just written William Rainborowe. I shouldn't have, though, because I did not spell it with contemporary British spelling. I don't know why I keep writing these things with mistakes in them! Then again, the man's entire career was in England, but he died in what would, 100 years later, be the United States, so maybe he can be spoken of with the spelling natural to me. (Coming up will be David Hartley Jr. and Francis Hawkins, a prodigy.) Geogre 20:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

The first link is to Hartley Sr. The second is going to be entirely overwritten. We'll see how much protest there is for an A1 speedy delete getting overwritten by a stub on a Jesuit prodigy. Geogre 20:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Adventures of a new article: I'm glad that there are people paying attention. However, the article immediately gathered up a "fix" of removing the apostrophes marking plural dates (this is not a correction, folks; I use the same style sheet as the NY Times and several grammars; taking out the apostrophe is not only an Americanism, but it is a vulgar Americanism (i.e. many American systems still require them, and I'm one)) and a tag saying that few articles link to it. Given the fact that the article is brand new, I'm not surprised at that. However, I also don't think many articles will ever link to William Rainborowe. He is interesting as an example of a great many things, but there isn't a constellation of related individuals to discuss and link back and forth from. I suppose I could invent some link forms. The point is, is the article less worthy for that? Usually, the "few links" means someone is making something up (like "J-ball funk" or some other protologism), so it's a useful bullshit detector, but in the case of important but obscure (it's possible) people, it won't be indicative. This is the difference between a blind and sighted application of a tag. Geogre 01:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm thinking we should open an RFC on the Manual of Style itself and what it means. Does it mean "go kill all variation," or does it mean, "If you don't know how to do something, here is the preference?" Geogre 22:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

DreamGuy

I'm sorry I missed your follow-up suggestion of unprotecting the IP's talkpage last night, but I signed off for the evening right after my ANI post. Checking in this morning it appears that the issue is resolved for the moment, and hopefully positive future editing from DreamGuy will eliminate any need to revisit the issue. Regards, Newyorkbrad 16:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Resolved? The IP talkpage is semiprotected. The user has not received any unblock message from the unblocking admin Therasa Knott. He may well still think he's blocked. There's a great big template on the userpage that states he is, and a block message on the talkpage. He may not be the most polite user, but he sure isn't treated with a lot of courtesy either. Bishonen | talk 16:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

I'll drop Theresa a note, and follow up if she doesn't. (I'm actually on a semi-wikibreak while travelling at the moment, but not very good at keeping my promises to myself.) Newyorkbrad 16:19, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Bishonen | talk 21:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

Indeed

That could be so. But no, I didn't mean to sound disrespectful. I rather meant to show that my opinion deviates completely from yours. This editor has been a problem to me and several people for weeks now and you insit that he is a swell guy and productive, even though to make a case against him would involve simply picking random edit summaries he makes. --Sn0wflake 22:09, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

If by problem to him he means pointing out that his policy (which he even brags about on his talk page) of blocking first and asking questions later violates Misplaced Pages policies and that his restoring of information on how to pirate software on an article talk page after I removed it for being not at all what article talk pages are for was both out of process and, arguably, full on illegal is a problem, I guess then I'm guilty. If Sn0wflake had even made an attempt to be civil, assume good faith, explain the situation without being overly aggressive and so forth, and then didn't follow it up with presenting false information on ANI leading to a block way out of line with any actions I made, THEN he might have cause to complain. DreamGuy 23:36, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the assist

Thanks for sticking your neck out to get the improper block removed a second time. DreamGuy 00:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Bishonen | talk 01:17, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Paranormal

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Paranormal. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Paranormal/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Paranormal/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Thatcher131 01:22, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

"Ouija, should we lock out these articles?" N...o....y...o..... Geogre 01:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

"If anyone is reading this, tap the table." Utgard Loki 15:46, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

<tap> -- ALoan (Talk) 16:43, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

There! Now we have something for the /Paranormal/Evidence page -- evidence of the paranormal right here on Bishonen's talk page! Utgard Loki 17:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I have seen a ghost seriously - I have, one should not make light of these things there are more things in heaven and earth than we can understand - I have also been abducted by a spacecraft, but that was on the way home from a friend's stagnight, so may not count Giano 18:32, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I've been encountered by a ghost, too. I scared the poor thing senseless, I'm afraid. (Actually, I have had multiple experiences with ghosts, but I don't worry about them much. "Ooow, you rattled the door! Ooow, I'm so scared.") Geogre 21:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Help!

I've moved Villa Medicea di Cafaggiolo into main space when I meant to move it with user space can you sort it out - it is far from finished and fullof unreferenced fact and spelling mistakes. Giano 18:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I seem to have acheived it all on my own, now can someone just delete the redirect page Villa Medicea di Cafaggiolo because that is Italian etc, and I'm not sure that is what I am going to call it, in fact I may add some other villas to the page and give it a group name - there again I may never finish it - who knows. Giano 18:16, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Deleted the whole lot of them! Just kidding, this is your baby. Bishonen | talk 18:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

Thanks sweatheart! I just forgot to put the use thing in, when I was title changing! Giano 18:30, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, for... the colon was missing, Raul has moved it again. OK, this is your baby now. Bishonen | talk 01:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

216.165.158.7

Removing the {{Blockedsockpuppet|DreamGuy}} is a moot point now; the IP address is indefinitely blocked. --Iamunknown 18:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I know it's indefinitely blocked. That doesn't mean it's an abusive sock puppet. And even if it were one, that doesn't mean the template's supposed to be used as a brand of shame. And even if it were supposed to be used for that purpose, that would even so be the wrong tag for an IP. See WP:SOCK for when and how to tag. Bishonen | talk 19:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for the link Bishonen, I already know how to tag, see my contribs. I'll go tag it with {{Indefblockedip}}. --Iamunknown 19:05, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I know why Elonka is trying all she knows to get at DreamGuy. Is there any special reason you are? If it's a "moot point", why insist on doing it? Bishonen | talk 19:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

I tagged the IP with {{Indefblockedip}} because it is an indefinitely blocked IP and should be categorized as such, should it not? --Iamunknown 19:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

There's no necessity, no compulsion, and no profit in it in this case. I explained above why not, but you're obviously not interested. You'll make a fine admin. Bishonen | talk 19:31, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

I do tend to tag things and clean out backlogs robotically. --Iamunknown 19:33, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

You'll make a robotic admin. Bishonen | talk 19:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

Which is not a good thing, and something I would rather not be. The anon is requesting unblock right now and, frankly, I'm quite surprised it was indef blocked in the first place. I haven't followed the convo, but it doesn't appear that DreamGuy was using sockpupets to get around blocks or the 3RR rule or anything, it just appears he or she was using that IP address for whatever reason. Granted, the IP is being kind of disruptive but I might be if everyone were blocking me and tagging me and stuff. --Iamunknown 19:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

You say that and still you tag. Cute. Bishonen | talk 20:53, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

I'm confused now. I infer from your last comment that you are annoyed with me, and from previous comments that you disdain my actions. Why? What have I done? --Iamunknown 22:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

You're confused? What about me? You tag the page. You chirpily ignore my pleas and my reasons for not tagging it. You agree that your action is likely to further goad an already beleaguered editor. ("I might be if everyone were blocking me and tagging me and stuff.") You say you don't want to be the kind of person--or admin--whatever--who does that. But you still don't remove the stupid tag. Why do I disdain such a spaghetti of contradictions? Gee... I really don't know how to explain it. Bishonen | talk 01:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

(outdent) I see where you would be confused. I wish we could have gotten off to a better start. Our first interaction that I am aware of was at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive223#User:BassPlyr23 removing ifd tag from Image:1972 Israeli Olympic team.jpg, on IRC after that and then here. I was unfortunately beside myself in that first discussion, feeling frustrated with what I perceived as an attack on those who tag images for deletion which, incidentally, includes me. Regardless what I perceived, however, my conduct there was inappropriate, as you noted on irc://irc.freenode.net/wikipedia.
Now we meet again in less than favourable circumstances. I sometimes do, admittedly, edit robotically. I find that I like repetitive tasks. Why? Maybe because a lot can be accomplished in a little amount of time. I happened to come across incorrectly tagged user pages earlier last week and then picked up on consolidating or otherwise applying templates to them (for the bulk of my contributions, see this). When I was browsing through the administrator's noticeboard I noticed the discussion you started titled "Spontaneous block of DreamGuy by David Gerard, please review" and I poked around a bit. I applied {{tempblockeduser}}, as it was appropriate at the time and, as normally, I left the page on my watchlist. Next I saw it it had changed quite a bit, with your revision being the most recent one and the IP indefinitely blocked.
My first comment in this discussion on your talk page, I realize in retrospect, was inappropriate given what I should have said. When I wrote, "Removing the {{Blockedsockpuppet|DreamGuy}} is a moot point now; the IP address is indefinitely blocked", I should have said something like, "I see that you removed {{Blockedsockpuppet|DreamGuy}}. Are you aware that the IP address is indefinitely blocked? Should it be tagged with {{Indefblockedip}}?", or something to that effect.
I originally was taken off-guard by your comments because I had difficult inferring what you meant. I see now that by stating, "You'll make a fine admin." and "You'll make a robotic admin.", you were not suggesting that you approved of what you think I will become, but that you think what I will become is something undesirable. I agree to an extent. Being robotic is, arguably, necessary when clearing out large backlogs; it is not, however, appropriate when dealing with real-life editors who, as human beings, can and may be hurt by what you or I say or anyone else may say in correspondence.
I apologise if my correspondence with you has been muddled and confusing. Unfortunately my correspondences sometimes are; I may occasionally have erratic behavior including, but not limited to, getting riled up, being obstinate and posing questions more than replying to them; I would like to think, however, that I also am willing to listen to others' opinions, discern between what types of tasks should occupy my time, correspond civilly and collaborate with other editors and seek forgiveness when I realise that I am wrong. I realise that my side of our correspondence has, since the beginning, been inappropriate. I definitely need to work on that and, in general, work on appropriately communicating clearly and civilly with other editors. I apologise for my inappropriate correspondence on ANI and here, and I hope that you will forgive me. Yours, Iamunknown 06:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, cool. Bishonen | talk 18:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

Sigh, I wish that you would believe me. --Iamunknown 00:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Good catch! But that doesn't refer to you. I do believe you. My bookmarks aren't secret messages. I was thinking of using that article to write an essay in Misplaced Pages space, that's all. Misplaced Pages is full of bad-faith apologies. How many times have you been told essentially "I apologize but it was all your fault"? Yeah, me too. Bishonen | talk 00:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

Something appears to me to be wrong with this block and page protection. See my comments on the IP's talkpage. I am hesitant to unprotect the page, if not unblock, only because the situation seems so odd that I am concerned I am missing something. Newyorkbrad 21:05, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Only thing you are missing is that a small but very active group of admins (and ex-admins, in Tony's case) completely threw out any pretense to follow WP:AGF, normal dispute resolution steps and other Misplaced Pages policies. DreamGuy 23:05, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, well, you guys missed the second RFA for badlydrawnjeff. The Oppose votes were shocking. They honestly opposed on the basis that he would follow the rules. I'm not joking. They thought his view that IAR is wrong must be denied, and a couple even said that hopefully there wouldn't be any admins insisting on rules anymore. Again, this is not hyperbole. Geogre 01:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

"Misplaced Pages is the best thing ever"

Misplaced Pages is the best thing ever.
Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject.
So you know you are getting the best possible information. — Michael Scott

El_C 18:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, Off off on. El_C 19:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow, I've never heard the Catholic Church called a "modern sect" in an encyclopedia before. Bishonen | talk 19:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

I have now edited that paragraph to remove that infelicitous turn of phrase. -- WikiPedant 18:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Pedant. Bishonen | talk 18:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject! El_C 19:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I saved a life.
My own.
Am I a hero?
I really can't say, but yes.
— Michael Scott

El_C 06:55, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

You're forgetting — no other encyclopedias are big enough to have an article on the Catholic Church, and even if they do it won't be up to date about the abolition of limbo — and the US version of the Office is officially rubbish. So there. The Land 17:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Messages

Replied - is your email working properly yet? Giano 12:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Got your reply. My e-mail's working fine, no problem. It's only the e-mail connected chat that's FUBAR. You can e-mail me any time and I'll get it. The chat for some reson insists I'm offline, waves a broken icon in my face, etc. (Watch my lips: learn to IRC!) Those diffs made my day, too, weren't they great? :-D Is that image you before or after the crash diet? Bishonen | talk 15:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

Looks like this chap to the right could do with some Australian swimwear. Or perhaps he is already wearing some? -- ALoan (Talk) 15:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

How do you know about aussiebum ALoan? - that all looks a bit dodgy to me, that sort of swimwear. Giano 15:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

How do I know? Just one of those things that any modern man of letters must be aware of - I understand that the brand is quite popular in certain circles. Perhaps Bunchofgrapes would like some for the times when he parades his svelte new physique in the gym. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

All this posing about, is unhealthy in every sense of the word - this is what the modern man of letters such as myself is wearing this year, and very flattering they are too; and you ALoan would be strongly advised to follow suit sur la plage - women like to use their immagination. Giano 17:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe that chap has shorts that are about half a size too large - on him, at least. I fear that all too little is left to the imagination when I am on the beach. Still, cold water will do that to a man. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

ALoan I am dunbfounded - you are not a nudist are you? Giano 18:01, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Am I gonna have to have rules of conversation here? Bishonen | talk 19:14, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

We have all been quite decent, you know. The horses don't look at all alarmed. -- ALoan (Talk) 20:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I am goint to change the mood completely, I am in Euphoric mood, yet another page I contributed to on an, unjustly, little known architect has now been translated into yet another foreign language, and at the end of the day that it what we are all here for not the FAs, GAs and the FKWs - making knowledge once only mentioned in very expensive books freely available - and that like a lot of pages I have been involved with was a collaberation with wikipedian photographers millions of miles away, in this case Grutness who especially took the photos for the page so let's celebrate what is good about Misplaced Pages. Giano 21:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Well done. Even better is when a foreign language version is "featured". Reflected glory. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

That's what I'm about, too. I love seeing "my" articles get translations, and if I see that they're featured in foreign languages, I'm even more proud. I've been lucky enough to have that occur more than once. Geogre 11:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Buckingham Palace

Seen this there will be bothig left by the time they have finished! Giano 16:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

That one is not nearly as bad as the previous ones. I wonder who got blocked. Geogre 20:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC) (No, I don't ... not really.)

What are you talking about? - who is blocked? Anyway I'm done with Buckingham Palace and all of them - they can do what they like to it. I wash my hands of the FAs, I cannot be bothered to have yet another round of abuse with LuciferMorgan or anymore of his ilk, there is Ideogram wittering away about me elsewhere - Oh is it him that's blocked? - I thought that was yesterday or before - anyway I leave them all to their own devices. Giano 21:16, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

No, it was someone else. I meant that we weren't seeing the usual screaming and extremism -- at least yet -- and ruefully predicting that it would come back as soon as the blocked people came back. How dare we authors protest when these experts at "what makes an FA" tell us that we have not pleased them? Do we not know that footnotes are mandatory and that an article on Pop Tarts with superscripted numbers running to 100 is a proper FA, even though every one refers to a website run by the company, while an article based on deep reading and years of study that uses parenthetical references for a discussion of Linear B is obviously not featured material? It isn't the words that matter, after all, or the quality of them, or the discussion, or the depth, or the value of the words that "makes a Featured Article": it is the form. Soon, we may be able to do without authors altogether and just have "auto-content" templates for Featured Articles. Geogre 02:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Well when one reads this " ....the assertion that Buckingham Palace was deliberately targeted by the Germans in WWII was sufficiently challengable to require an inline cite " when the fact that two bombs at different times fell slap bang in the middle of it resulting in the famous "I'm glad we've been bombed, I can now look the East End in the face" comment. in my opinion is evidence enough that it was targeted - anyway I'm not playing those games there. I shall just read occasionally with quiet amusement. Anyhow it is in one of the books, they can broaden their education by reading them. Giano 06:18, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks like I've already got another wikistalker

User:Mermaid from the Baltic Sea disagreed with me on edits to Dragon removing some links as unencyclopedic (and was chagrined to find others agreed with me on that) and has now taken it upon himslf to look at my edit history, go to a series of somewhat random articles I had edited (I hit the go to random article to get there, many of them are not my normal areas of editing and certainly not Mermaid's) to revert everything I did and then put an edit comment saying he disagreed with some small part of it. I have undone some of them (and tried to incorporate any real productive edits he added later, which seem to consist solely of updating the reference section coding) and left a message on his talk page, but I would appreciate if you could doublecheck his edits. DreamGuy 00:14, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I'll take a look without prejudice, but could you name these articles, please? User:Mermaid from the Baltic Sea edits so diligently that I have difficulty orienting myself in their contribs. Bishonen | talk 09:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

This page deleted

Note that I didn't deliberately delete this page, it was several database glitches that tripped me up while I was trying to remove a few revisions. Or, well, I did delete it, but that was only supposed to last for a few seconds. Darn thing, I'm tired of messing with it. Bishonen | talk 14:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

This is why I prefer e-mail, myself, for talking to individuals and graffiti for addressing the world at large. It's not easy to find a wall big enough, so I've developed a very fine Edwardian script for my messages. Utgard Loki 15:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)