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	:I would support adding this, I was even thinking about doing the same. ] (]) 09:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)		:I would support adding this, I was even thinking about doing the same. ] (]) 09:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

	:Sounds like correllation not causation. Schizophrenics are austracized so they seek pets. I'm schizophrenic and I've had a cat for the past 4 years. Without her I wouldn't even be here. 17 cases is science apparently, too.		:Sounds like correllation not causation. Schizophrenics are austracized so they seek pets. I'm schizophrenic and I've had a cat for the past 4 years. Without her I wouldn't even be here. 17 cases is science apparently, too. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 05:07, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			::The article doesn't say it's causation. Whether or not the association remains true when you only include healthy people at the time of cat ownership is unfortunately not clear from the abstract and I don't have access to the whole study. But in any case, Misplaced Pages editors are not supposed to perform peer review. What you can do is read the study (get access maybe through a patient request?) and try to see if it makes sense from your perspective or if you can find any issues with it.

			::I don't understand what you meant by "17 cases is science apparently, too.". ] (]) 15:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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			:::The meta analysis included 17 studies, not people. ] (]) 10:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

			::Also, for what it's worth, the hypothesized mechanism is that toxoplasmosis, a known risk factor for psychosis more generally, is transmitted by cats. At least some of those cases of chronic toxoplasma-induced psychosis could be diagnosed as "schizophrenia" if never treated. Thus, there is very plausibly a signal of cat ownership –> schizophrenia, though it's a messy one for sure and probably leads to more noise in the schizophrenia diagnosis. ] (]) 19:04, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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	At the positive symptoms, change "(...) or inappropriate affect. typically regarded as manifestations of psychosis." to (...) or inappropriate affect, typically regarded as manifestations of psychosis." ] (]) 12:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
	:{{Done}}. ] (]) 12:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

	== Cannabis ==

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	please change ((cannabis)) to ((Cannabis (drug)\|cannabis)) ] (]) 03:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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	Schizophrenia is a severe mental illness characterized by cognitive deficits and often complicated by physical health issues. Cultural contexts significantly influence the diagnosis and perception of symptoms like hallucinations. In Western culture, schizophrenia is seen purely as a disease, while in places like Ghana and India, it has religious ties and is seen as separate from identity<ref>{{cite book \|last1=Lurhmann and Marrow \|title=Our most troubling madness: Case studies in schizophrenia across cultures \|publisher=University of California Press \|pages=215 \|ref=Luhrmann, T.M. and Marrow, J. eds., 2016. Our most troubling madness: Case studies in schizophrenia across cultures (Vol. 11). Univ of California Press}}</ref>. Anti-social behaviour is viewed as “abnormal” in many cultural contexts, but those with schizophrenia may be considered “normal” if their behaviour aligns with social norms <ref>{{cite book \|last1=Lurhmann and Marrow \|title=Our most troubling madness: Case studies in schizophrenia across cultures \|publisher=University of California Press \|pages=9 \|ref=Luhrmann, T.M. and Marrow, J. eds., 2016. Our most troubling madness: Case studies in schizophrenia across cultures (Vol. 11). Univ of California Press}}</ref>. The level of care varies with the stigma attached to schizophrenia across cultures. In the West, schizophrenia is heavily medicalized, often leading to social exclusion and identity issues. From an anthropological perspective, schizophrenia is a cultural construct; what is considered pathological in one society may be viewed as spiritual in another <ref>{{cite book \|last1=McKenna \|title=ood of the Gods: The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge \|publisher=New York: Bantam Books \|pages=86 \|ref=McKenna, T. (1992) Food of the Gods: The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge. New York: Bantam Books.}}</ref>. In shamanic cultures, experiences like hearing voices are seen as part of a healer’s journey. Mental health is deeply embedded within social and political structures that define normalcy and pathology. This aligns with Scheper-Hughes and Lock’s concept of the "three bodies" —the individual body, social body, and body politic— emphasizing that perceptions of health and illness are socially constructed <ref>{{cite book \|last1=Scheper-Hughes and Lock \|title=‘The mindful body: A prolegomenon to future work in medical anthropology’ \|publisher=Medical Anthropology Quarterly \|ref=Scheper-Hughes, N. and Lock, M.M. (1987) ‘The mindful body: A prolegomenon to future work in medical anthropology’, Medical Anthropology Quarterly, 1(1), pp. 6-41.}}</ref>. Schizophrenia, therefore, is not universally defined but culturally mediated. ] (]) 01:24, 26 August 2024 (UTC)		Schizophrenia is a severe mental illness characterized by cognitive deficits and often complicated by physical health issues. Cultural contexts significantly influence the diagnosis and perception of symptoms like hallucinations. In Western culture, schizophrenia is seen purely as a disease, while in places like Ghana and India, it has religious ties and is seen as separate from identity<ref>{{cite book \|last1=Lurhmann and Marrow \|title=Our most troubling madness: Case studies in schizophrenia across cultures \|publisher=University of California Press \|pages=215 \|ref=Luhrmann, T.M. and Marrow, J. eds., 2016. Our most troubling madness: Case studies in schizophrenia across cultures (Vol. 11). Univ of California Press}}</ref>. Anti-social behaviour is viewed as “abnormal” in many cultural contexts, but those with schizophrenia may be considered “normal” if their behaviour aligns with social norms <ref>{{cite book \|last1=Lurhmann and Marrow \|title=Our most troubling madness: Case studies in schizophrenia across cultures \|publisher=University of California Press \|pages=9 \|ref=Luhrmann, T.M. and Marrow, J. eds., 2016. Our most troubling madness: Case studies in schizophrenia across cultures (Vol. 11). Univ of California Press}}</ref>. The level of care varies with the stigma attached to schizophrenia across cultures. In the West, schizophrenia is heavily medicalized, often leading to social exclusion and identity issues. From an anthropological perspective, schizophrenia is a cultural construct; what is considered pathological in one society may be viewed as spiritual in another <ref>{{cite book \|last1=McKenna \|title=ood of the Gods: The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge \|publisher=New York: Bantam Books \|pages=86 \|ref=McKenna, T. (1992) Food of the Gods: The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge. New York: Bantam Books.}}</ref>. In shamanic cultures, experiences like hearing voices are seen as part of a healer’s journey. Mental health is deeply embedded within social and political structures that define normalcy and pathology. This aligns with Scheper-Hughes and Lock’s concept of the "three bodies" —the individual body, social body, and body politic— emphasizing that perceptions of health and illness are socially constructed <ref>{{cite book \|last1=Scheper-Hughes and Lock \|title=‘The mindful body: A prolegomenon to future work in medical anthropology’ \|publisher=Medical Anthropology Quarterly \|ref=Scheper-Hughes, N. and Lock, M.M. (1987) ‘The mindful body: A prolegomenon to future work in medical anthropology’, Medical Anthropology Quarterly, 1(1), pp. 6-41.}}</ref>. Schizophrenia, therefore, is not universally defined but culturally mediated. ] (]) 01:24, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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			== Add A Fact: "No schizophrenia in congenitally blind" ==

			I found a fact that might belong in this article. See the quote below
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			most studies agree that “there has not been even one reported case of a congenitally blind person who developed schizophrenia”
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			The fact comes from the following source:
			: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4246684/


			Additional comments from user: There seems to be a lot written about this, and it's a little nuanced, but it seems significant enough that WP should make some accurate mention of it.

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			] (]) 17:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

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			== Schizophrenia comorbidities ==

			I'd like to maybe add an article on Schizophrenia's comorbidities with more information than the current section. Given that there's a section, what's the typical policy for having a seperate article? ] (]) 18:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

			:@] The current article is 8000 words. According to ] that means {{tq\|"May need to be divided or trimmed; likelihood goes up with size."}} We do have a page for the ] and I'm wondering if maybe that page would be a good place to add comorbidities? I'm not quite sure if you could create a long enough article on comorbidities alone however if you think you have anough information for that (ideally the page would be over 1000 words to warrent its own article) then I encourage you to do so. My other question is, have you ever contributed to a medical article before? We kinda have our own set of guidlines regarding style and sources ( see ] and ]) which can be a bit tricky to navigate at first. I don't want this to discourage you at all as I personally would be willing to help you out with navigating these guidlines (and I'm sure others at ] would also love to help). ] (]) 21:25, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
			::I have not yet contributed to a medical article. I do think that I could create a >1000 word article on comorbidities, but I worry that it would have too much detail to be interesting to anyone but me. Specifically, schizophrenia has a considerable overlap with , , , , , and possibly personality disorders, although it's proving difficult to find studies on anything other than general traits of PDs, ASPD, or violence, and my fear is that I would unintentionally portray people with schizophrenia as violent. There is that seems promising, though. There are also multiple other disorders that I plan to look into more. Thanks! ] (]) 02:10, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
			:::@] It looks like you have started to look in the right area. I wouldn't worry too much about misportraying those with schizophrenia as you can also add in some information about how the vast majority of those with schizophrenia are not violent. You may have more luck looking for articles regarding psychosis and personality disorders. I found by just googling "psychosis personality disorder". ]] <sup>(])</sup> 03:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

			== Not adoption friendly ==

			The article refers to things like parents at the age of birth. Changing this would be nice. ] (]) 01:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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New Meta-Analysis: Cats and Schizophrenia

I would like to add cat ownership as a risk factor. See meta-analysis in Schizophrenia Bulletin: https://doi.org/10.1093/schbul/sbad168. SigTif (talk) 15:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I would support adding this, I was even thinking about doing the same. Bendegúz Ács (talk) 09:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like correllation not causation. Schizophrenics are austracized so they seek pets. I'm schizophrenic and I've had a cat for the past 4 years. Without her I wouldn't even be here. 17 cases is science apparently, too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skinmarquee (talk • contribs) 05:07, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

The article doesn't say it's causation. Whether or not the association remains true when you only include healthy people at the time of cat ownership is unfortunately not clear from the abstract and I don't have access to the whole study. But in any case, Misplaced Pages editors are not supposed to perform peer review. What you can do is read the study (get access maybe through a patient request?) and try to see if it makes sense from your perspective or if you can find any issues with it.

I don't understand what you meant by "17 cases is science apparently, too.". Bendegúz Ács (talk) 15:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

The meta analysis included 17 studies, not people. SigTif (talk) 10:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Also, for what it's worth, the hypothesized mechanism is that toxoplasmosis, a known risk factor for psychosis more generally, is transmitted by cats. At least some of those cases of chronic toxoplasma-induced psychosis could be diagnosed as "schizophrenia" if never treated. Thus, there is very plausibly a signal of cat ownership –> schizophrenia, though it's a messy one for sure and probably leads to more noise in the schizophrenia diagnosis. DoubleDoctorZack (talk) 19:04, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Prognosis

Suggest changing the abbreviated sidebar to a more hopeful and nonjudgmental language :

Prognosis: Depends on the individual, medication response, and therapeutic support available. 2603:3015:361C:100:5813:62D9:6233:8E10 (talk) 16:48, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Violence

The new second paragraph under violence is unrelated to schizophrenia. It's about comorbid disorder and antisocial personality disorder NOT schizophrenia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skinmarquee (talk • contribs) 19:19, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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Politically correct labels and schizophrenia: a rose by any other name? Jonathandavidmoore (talk) 10:44, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ''']''' (talk • contribs) 10:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

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Anthropological context: Schizophrenia is a severe mental illness characterized by cognitive deficits and often complicated by physical health issues. Cultural contexts significantly influence the diagnosis and perception of symptoms like hallucinations. In Western culture, schizophrenia is seen purely as a disease, while in places like Ghana and India, it has religious ties and is seen as separate from identity. Anti-social behaviour is viewed as “abnormal” in many cultural contexts, but those with schizophrenia may be considered “normal” if their behaviour aligns with social norms . The level of care varies with the stigma attached to schizophrenia across cultures. In the West, schizophrenia is heavily medicalized, often leading to social exclusion and identity issues. From an anthropological perspective, schizophrenia is a cultural construct; what is considered pathological in one society may be viewed as spiritual in another . In shamanic cultures, experiences like hearing voices are seen as part of a healer’s journey. Mental health is deeply embedded within social and political structures that define normalcy and pathology. This aligns with Scheper-Hughes and Lock’s concept of the "three bodies" —the individual body, social body, and body politic— emphasizing that perceptions of health and illness are socially constructed . Schizophrenia, therefore, is not universally defined but culturally mediated. Harvbill212 (talk) 01:24, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

References

Lurhmann and Marrow. Our most troubling madness: Case studies in schizophrenia across cultures. University of California Press. p. 215.
Lurhmann and Marrow. Our most troubling madness: Case studies in schizophrenia across cultures. University of California Press. p. 9.
McKenna. ood of the Gods: The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge. New York: Bantam Books. p. 86.
Scheper-Hughes and Lock. ‘The mindful body: A prolegomenon to future work in medical anthropology’. Medical Anthropology Quarterly.

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 02:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Add A Fact: "No schizophrenia in congenitally blind"

I found a fact that might belong in this article. See the quote below

most studies agree that “there has not been even one reported case of a congenitally blind person who developed schizophrenia”

The fact comes from the following source:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4246684/

Additional comments from user: There seems to be a lot written about this, and it's a little nuanced, but it seems significant enough that WP should make some accurate mention of it.

This post was generated using the Add A Fact browser extension.

DKEdwards (talk) 17:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2024

I want to édit symptom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jokeru39 (talk • contribs) 15:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Schizophrenia comorbidities

I'd like to maybe add an article on Schizophrenia's comorbidities with more information than the current section. Given that there's a section, what's the typical policy for having a seperate article? Saturniapavonia (talk) 18:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Saturniapavonia The current article is 8000 words. According to WP:SIZERULE that means "May need to be divided or trimmed; likelihood goes up with size." We do have a page for the risk factors of schizophrenia and I'm wondering if maybe that page would be a good place to add comorbidities? I'm not quite sure if you could create a long enough article on comorbidities alone however if you think you have anough information for that (ideally the page would be over 1000 words to warrent its own article) then I encourage you to do so. My other question is, have you ever contributed to a medical article before? We kinda have our own set of guidlines regarding style and sources ( see WP:MEDMOS and WP:MEDRS) which can be a bit tricky to navigate at first. I don't want this to discourage you at all as I personally would be willing to help you out with navigating these guidlines (and I'm sure others at WP:MED would also love to help). IntentionallyDense (talk) 21:25, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I have not yet contributed to a medical article. I do think that I could create a >1000 word article on comorbidities, but I worry that it would have too much detail to be interesting to anyone but me. Specifically, schizophrenia has a considerable overlap with eating disorders, autism, bipolar, ocd, anxiety disorders, and possibly personality disorders, although it's proving difficult to find studies on anything other than general traits of PDs, ASPD, or violence, and my fear is that I would unintentionally portray people with schizophrenia as violent. There is this study on BPD and schizophrenia that seems promising, though. There are also multiple other disorders that I plan to look into more. Thanks! Saturniapavonia (talk) 02:10, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

@Saturniapavonia It looks like you have started to look in the right area. I wouldn't worry too much about misportraying those with schizophrenia as you can also add in some information about how the vast majority of those with schizophrenia are not violent. You may have more luck looking for articles regarding psychosis and personality disorders. I found these three studies by just googling "psychosis personality disorder". IntentionallyDense 03:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Not adoption friendly

The article refers to things like *parents* at the age of birth. Changing this would be nice. 69.174.136.15 (talk) 01:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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