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== Ideas on Uyghur persecution == |
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== Excessive references to Adrian Zenz == |
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"Brainwashing" as a form of attack seems a bit ridiculous, and there should most definitely be an addition to this article about skepticism of the Uyghur persecution ] (]) 12:03, 10 November 2024 (UTC) |
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], a senior fellow at the ], is referenced 6 times in the ] section and 6 times in the ] section. An over-reliance on research produced by him, despite that he is a heavily interested character in this issue, serves against the credibility and quality of this article. As a leading scholar his findings should be mentioned, of course, but not without qualification or alternative sources and data. ] (]) 06:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:It’s likely more once you dig into sources as well; there’s a significant degree of circular reporting involving Zenz. I agree with your idea generally but it’s better to approach in a concrete way. What’s the specific edit or edits you want to make to address the issue? ] (]) 14:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:There is a subsection on brainwashing under the human rights abuses section. It has plenty of content, and sources are cited. Will see if that section needs to be expanded even more. I do not think it is for Misplaced Pages to decide whether this is ridiculous. ] (]) 13:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:The word "Brainwashing" should indeed be re-assessed. If meant literally, it is akin to arguing the earth is flat. "Brainwashing" is non-scientific, asserting "brainwashing" in some literal sense would raise the WP:FALSEBALANCE problem. However, in most instances, someone saying "brainwashing" means indoctrination. We should avoid colloquial or metaphorical language and simply say indoctrination. |
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:But he's not a "leading scholar" and his evidence has been endlessly debunked. ] (]) 11:58, 15 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:Feel free to bring forward more sources on your broader point. Editors on this talk page will read them. ] (]) 16:35, 10 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:A single person is not a secondary source. A secondary source is a conglomeration of the author, the reviewers, editors, editing policy, and institution where the work is published, combined with the filter of the secondary review of the primary material. — ] <sup>(]</sup> <sup>])</sup> 13:40, 3 August 2024 (UTC) |
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::Agree that 'brainwashing' is a) a loaded word and b) un-encyclopaedic. ] 22:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Denial of abuses == |
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== Incorrect spelling == |
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Should Uyghur genocide denial have it's own article?, I've seen a fair amount of people on the internet who deny it's happening ] (]) 21:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC) |
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The "Cultural effcts - Naming - Villege Names" seems to be having an incorrect spelling of the word "village". Not sure if it's a stylistic choice, but it may need to be changed to keep the spelling consistency. ] (]) 19:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC) |
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The Uyghur genocide has been largely been debunked so no. It should not have its own article. ] (]) 15:58, 3 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:I’m not sure there’s enough content on the denial itself to generate a separate article, but it should definitely be included in this one. ] (]) 23:26, 30 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::I concur with Butterdiplomat's doubts about the volume being enough to start a new article. Personally I only know of a handful of 'apologist' news sites. Bear in mind that you will need independent ] saying what person X/organisation Y/ group Z claim is/isn't happening and they would specifically need to say what kind of 'denial' ''(denial of mistreatment/ or acknowledging mistreatment, but arguing that it doesn't constitute 'genocide' for example)''. I'm aware of these pitfalls because of similar articles. ] (]) 05:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:Those are straight up tankies and I suggest you sever all contact with them ] (]) 07:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Incorrect citation? == |
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In Background - Xinjiang conflict - People's Republic of China (1949–present), there is the sentence: |
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"In February 1997, a police roundup and execution of 30 suspected "separatists" during Ramadan led to large demonstrations, which led to a PLA crackdown on protesters resulting in at least nine deaths in what became known as the Ghulja incident," |
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which has footnote 63, which leads to "China: Human Rights Concerns in Xinjiang" (https://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/asia/china-bck1017.htm) from Human Rights Watch. On that page, regarding the events of 1997, the page only seems to discuss two episodes, demonstrations that were suppressed in February 1997, and some bombings that took place in March 1997. The HRW page doesn't mention the execution of 30 suspected seperatists as a reason for the demonstration, or mention any cause of the demonstration, so I think the citation is used incorrectly here. Or the information may be in the article and I missed it. |
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I suggest that a new citation be added, which leads to the information about the 30 executed persons, instead of/in addition to the HRW citation. |
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I am new to wikipedia, please forgive me if there is anything that I have overlooked. ] (]) 00:53, 2 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:Or if there is any additional information that I should provide. ] (]) 00:54, 2 August 2024 (UTC) |
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::You appear to be correct. Thanks. I've added a tag in the hope that someone will correct/remove the unsupported text/citation. ] (]) 07:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:I have added several citations demonstrating the links between these events, and removed the "30" number, as this is not verifiable. — ] <sup>(]</sup> <sup>])</sup> 13:55, 3 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== Proposed merge of Xinjiang internment camps into Persecution of Uyghurs in China == |
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The two articles talk about the same events basically. ] (]) 16:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:You are free to suggest a merger of the articles, but I would argue that this persecution article is broader in scope than the article on the internment camps. ] (]) 07:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Genocide == |
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It’s honestly super weird that this page isn’t called “Uyghur Genocide”. ] (]) 18:39, 17 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:It was called "Uyghur Genocide", but time seems to have debunked that. Persecution is true, however. ] (]) 20:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC) |
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"Brainwashing" as a form of attack seems a bit ridiculous, and there should most definitely be an addition to this article about skepticism of the Uyghur persecution FrogOnGrog (talk) 12:03, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
The "Cultural effcts - Naming - Villege Names" seems to be having an incorrect spelling of the word "village". Not sure if it's a stylistic choice, but it may need to be changed to keep the spelling consistency. Princesan21 (talk) 19:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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Q1: When was consensus established to name the page Persecution of Uyghurs in China?
A1: The current title reflects the consensus established in the most recent move discussion (22 January 2024). Two previous widely attended move discussions (30 June 2020 and 1 April 2021) had resulted in this page being titled Uyghur genocide. Please see Logs and discussions below for the full list of move discussions. In these discussions, editors discussed reporting from reliable sources in light of WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CRITERIA, the first two times establishing an affirmative consensus that the title "Uyghur genocide" is an appropriate name for the article. The third debate, immediately following a 12 January 2024 discussion that was closed as "not moved", citing WP:NCENPOV as the naming convention guideline justifying a shift to the new name.
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