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| I don’t see why this is stated at the top of the page. We don’t recommend ] for ]/], or ] for ], or ] for ]. Totally odd and out of place, especially since the naming of New Mexico predates the naming of the country of Mexico, but both were named after the trade-routes to the Aztec Empire and its Capital. Yet I don’t think anyone’s clamoring to add suggestions for the ] or ]s on either article, because that would be just as absurd. ] (]) 04:28, 29 January 2020 (UTC) | |||
| Hey folks ... NM native and Misplaced Pages newbie here. For anyone watching this page, please see the "Other" item that I added at the end of the article. I think it's relevant albeit amusing, but I'm open to discussing it. The geographic ignorance of NM isn't all ''that'' common these days, but I think it happens often enough to merit a mention. Thanks. ] (]) 04:04, 21 June 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :This is an encyclopaedia for the whole world, meaning readers with widely varying pre-existing knowledge of these matters. I'm a non-American, and can remember when I was younger and trying to understand world geography, being quite confused by the existence of both Mexico and New Mexico. It took me quite some time to figure out that one was a country, and the other a state of another country. It's actually quite a confusing situation. I think as much clarity for the reader as possible can only be a good thing. ] (]) 04:36, 29 January 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :I think it's a worthy inclusion and have long enjoyed that segment! But the paragraph you added makes a number of claims ("Since 1970...", "...only state to do this...", "...so as not to be confused...") that should be cited. ] has some tips on what constitutes a good citation by Wiki standards, but mostly it should be independent (i.e. not written by the magazine itself) and reliable (i.e. not some crazy geocities site). | |||
| ::In the disambiguation notice at the top of the page, it is important to read all three sentences on that page with one following the other in sequence rather than ignoring the middle sentence. The statement says, "This article is about the U.S. state of New Mexico. For other uses, see New Mexico (disambiguation). For the country in North America, see Mexico." The statement does not indicate that there are only two places using the name "New Mexico" on Misplaced Pages with one of those being a state and the other being a country. When clicking on the disambiguation link in the middle sentence, one finds 17 pages on Misplaced Pages which use the name "New Mexico" to refer to various entities. The disambiguation page links where to find those other options. Five other disambiguation options are also listed on the bottom of the New Mexico disambiguation page. The disambiguation page is a tool provided to help readers of Misplaced Pages to find the information they are seeking. ] (]) 06:54, 29 January 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks for contributing and keep up! ] (]) 18:02, 21 June 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == agriculture economic numbers == | |||
| :: To correct an erroneous assumption, ] has a disambiguation statement at the top of its article {"This article is about the U.S. state of New Jersey. For other uses, see New Jersey (disambiguation)."NJ" redirects here. For other uses, see NJ (disambiguation)."} New Hampshire and New York City also have disambiguation pages. Interestingly enough, New York state does not have a disambiguation notice at the top of its page. Perhaps anonymous might like to create that statement for that page as part of the Misplaced Pages Disambiguation project.] (]) 07:07, 29 January 2020 (UTC) | |||
| In the agriculture and food production section, the article says NM has an agricultural sector worth $40 billion annually. This would be >40% of the entire state economy. By comparison, the actual USA agricultural production is worth ~$380 billion/year (USDA figures), which is 1.4% of the economy. The $40 billion number is overstated by at least an order of magnitude. ] (]) 20:12, 12 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::Regarding all Americans understanding that New Mexico the state and Mexico the country are different places, that is still not the case. Some Americans, even in official duties in public office, still think that New Mexico is a foreign country. In 2018, a New Mexico candidate for Secretary of State was denied a marriage license three times by a court clerk and her supervisor in Washington DC, because they do not accept foreign national applications for marriage and they both thought New Mexico is a foreign country. ] is a citizen of the United States. | |||
| :::See: https://nypost.com/2018/11/30/clerk-who-thought-new-mexico-was-foreign-country-refused-to-give-out-marriage-license/ and https://nypost.com/2018/11/30/clerk-who-thought-new-mexico-was-foreign-country-refused-to-give-out-marriage-license/ <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 07:34, 29 January 2020 (UTC)</small> | |||
| :Yes, multiple sources contradict that $40B number: | |||
| ::::Sugarcoat it however you’d like, it is racism. And this only serves to justify that nonsense. ] (]) 21:51, 1 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :https://www.ibisworld.com/united-states/economic-profiles/new-mexico/ | |||
| :https://www.statista.com/statistics/1065130/new-mexico-real-gdp-by-industry/ | |||
| :https://web.archive.org/web/20240114193756/https://www.dws.state.nm.us/Portals/0/DM/LMI/NM_Data_Focus_GDP.pdf | |||
| :https://web.archive.org/web/20230515113308/https://www.dws.state.nm.us/Portals/0/Gross_Domestic_Product_of_New_Mexico.pdf | |||
| :They all put agriculture+forestry+fishing+hunting at less than $2B. | |||
| :- ] (]) 15:04, 18 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| Hi, I was reading about the presence of women of color in the political system of the State and I think that maybe something about that could be added in ]. It's not my usual field and this is a page with many visits, so I just leave it as a comment here. Have a nice wiki.--] (]) 00:41, 3 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
| <code>#Culture</code> is the longest section, perhaps it should be moved back to ]? ] 16:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == "Land of Entrapment" listed at ] == | |||
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| An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect ]. Please participate in ] if you wish to do so. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> ] (]) 16:04, 11 March 2020 (UTC) | |||
| I've posted a message to the Tea Room to ask how to go about editing the page so that it's consistent with other state pages. | |||
| == Spanish and Navajo in the lead == | |||
| Spanish is spoken by over a quarter of the population of New Mexico, at 28.45%. And Navajo is spoken by 65,493 people, at 3.50%, these languages are of extreme importance in the state. Many legal documents are created in English, and in Spanish and Navajo too. ] (]) 16:51, 11 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
| Total page word count (minus footnotes) is ~21,000 words by copying and pasting the text into Word, using the Unformatted Text paste option. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 02:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :Information about both these languages is included in the article. I removed them from the first sentence per ] and ] (which calls for languages in the first sentence to be "closely associated" with the article). A language spoken by 28 percent of the population does not seem a close association. ] (]) 16:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
| == "Economic climate" claim is unverified == | |||
| :::: Your information in one of your edits that says that 28.45% of our New Mexico population is a bit skewed out of context ] (]). Approximately 29% of the population over the age of 5 years speaks Spanish solely as their primary language AT HOME. Many, many more in our state speak Spanish conversationally in and out side of the home. Perhaps you wonder why when you vote here in New Mexico why our ballots are so long, because they could be shorter if the Spanish version was left off. We cannot do that to accommodate you, though, ] (]). New Mexico’s election laws are peppered with Spanish-language requirements. Proposed constitutional changes must be printed on the ballot in Spanish and English, for example, as must the samples of the text of each amendment that the secretary of state distributes to county clerks. Sample ballots, official ballots, primary election proclamations, information about registration and voting, voter registration certificates – all must be printed in both Spanish and English. You may think of Spanish as the only language spoken by an individual when we see, say, and show that a person speaks Spanish in New Mexico, but that concept of monolingualism in our state is incorrect. Bilingualism is the character of our state. Those who are outsiders are those who do not learn to communicate in both English and Spanish to some extent in order to get along in our state no matter what one's race or country of origin is. Inserting the Spanish name of the state a well as the associated IPA symbol is perfectly acceptable in this article. ] (]) 17:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
| In the third paragraph (starts with "New Mexico's economy") it says that NM has a significant military presence "due to its large area and economic climate". First problem: "economic climate" is a vague term. Second problem: the cited source says nothing about New Mexico's economy being the reason for the significant military presence. Just the opposite (sort of) - it says that the significant military presence plays a key role in the state's economy. Perhaps the editor who wrote "economic climate" meant to say something about NM's climate (lots of clear sunny days? I don't know), but the source doesn't say anything about that either. - ] (]) 15:48, 18 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :: A quarter of the population is significant, and this region was named Nuevo México in the 1500s, which is significant as well. And as for Navajo, 56.3% speak the language in McKinley County and another 34.8% speak it in San Juan County. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/11/18/the-languages-we-speak-at-home-mapped-by-county/ ] (]) 17:12, 11 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :Military history details Kearney, Confederate invasion during Civil War, Pershing/Pancho Villa expedition, Manhattan Project, White Sands test range, Cannon AFB, radar installations, etc. Also mention Native American examples includi pueblo agriculture, communications between pueblos. Economic climate includes art scene, tourism, sunsets, 40 degree temperature swings. Lay on the trivia! ] (]) 19:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::The example at ] is "a location in a non-English-speaking country". ] (]) 18:39, 11 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ::::The entire first paragraph of ] needs to be considered, rather than taking the example out of context. The first paragraph says: "If the subject of the article is closely associated with a non-English language, a single foreign language equivalent name can be included in the lead sentence, usually in parentheses. For example, an article about a location in a non-English-speaking country will typically include the local language equivalent:Chernivtsi Oblast (Ukrainian: Чернівецька область, Chernivets’ka oblast’) is an oblast (province) in western Ukraine, bordering on Romania and Moldova." So, since the subject of the article (New Mexico) is closely associated with a non-English language, a single foreign language equivalent name can be included in the lead sentence." ] does not refer only to "a location in a non-English-speaking country" So, it is appropriate to include the special contribution in the article about New Mexico. ] (]) 18:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :::New Mexico clearly meets the definition of "a subject closely associated with a non-English language." Laws are promulgated in Spanish, government business is often conducted in Spanish, and it is a majority language of several cities in the state, including Las Vegas and Las Cruces (the second-largest city in the state). See ] and ]. ] (]) 04:13, 12 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :Despite the equivocation of our section on the matter, Spanish is an official language in New Mexico (laws and government forms are always printed in Spanish as well as English; that's pretty much the definition of "official language"). Dineh (Navajo) does not have this status (though {{em|some}} government materials are produced in Dineh, though some are also produced in Chinese and German and Vietnamese and Russian, too, especially for the health & human services department, the division of motor vehicles, etc.). Dineh is only one of at least half-a-dozen Native American languages used in the state. I would keep the Spanish name in the lead, both for this reason and because it's historically important in the pre-statehood period. I would not add the Native American renditions, because they'll stack up and get messy, but are of little interest to most readers, and are not intimately bound up with the region's overall history. We can cover them in a section in the body. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — ] ] ] 😼 </span> 20:51, 12 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
| == Reason for military bases == | |||
| The article says | |||
| Due to its large area and economic climate, New Mexico has a large U.S. military presence marked notably with the White Sands Missile Range. | |||
| In other words, NM has lots of military because of its large area and its economic climate. The first one makes sense (you can't have lots of military bases in a small place), but I don't understand the second. When the federal government wants a new military base, does it pay attention to the local economy? I would guess that they would care about strategic location (witness lots of Cold War military installations in Alaska) and maybe local real estate prices (so it's cheaper to buy a massive area of land), but I don't understand how the state's economy would be responsible for the large military presence. I couldn't find anything in the rest of the article talking about the military presence being partly due to the economic climate. If any climate is relevant, it's probably the state's arid literal climate, which means that much of the state isn't covered with farms and probably made it a lot less expensive for the federal government to buy massive areas of land. Could this be changed to refer to the effect the military has on the existing economic climate? ] (]) 23:00, 15 October 2020 (UTC) | |||
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Please see new "Other" item at end
Hey folks ... NM native and Misplaced Pages newbie here. For anyone watching this page, please see the "Other" item that I added at the end of the article. I think it's relevant albeit amusing, but I'm open to discussing it. The geographic ignorance of NM isn't all that common these days, but I think it happens often enough to merit a mention. Thanks. Yesthatbruce (talk) 04:04, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- I think it's a worthy inclusion and have long enjoyed that segment! But the paragraph you added makes a number of claims ("Since 1970...", "...only state to do this...", "...so as not to be confused...") that should be cited. WP:CITE has some tips on what constitutes a good citation by Wiki standards, but mostly it should be independent (i.e. not written by the magazine itself) and reliable (i.e. not some crazy geocities site).
- Thanks for contributing and keep up! SpookyTwenty (talk) 18:02, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
agriculture economic numbers
In the agriculture and food production section, the article says NM has an agricultural sector worth $40 billion annually. This would be >40% of the entire state economy. By comparison, the actual USA agricultural production is worth ~$380 billion/year (USDA figures), which is 1.4% of the economy. The $40 billion number is overstated by at least an order of magnitude. 2601:58A:887F:5E80:FCC6:64E5:9207:4D81 (talk) 20:12, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, multiple sources contradict that $40B number:
- https://www.ibisworld.com/united-states/economic-profiles/new-mexico/
- https://www.statista.com/statistics/1065130/new-mexico-real-gdp-by-industry/
- https://web.archive.org/web/20240114193756/https://www.dws.state.nm.us/Portals/0/DM/LMI/NM_Data_Focus_GDP.pdf
- https://web.archive.org/web/20230515113308/https://www.dws.state.nm.us/Portals/0/Gross_Domestic_Product_of_New_Mexico.pdf
- They all put agriculture+forestry+fishing+hunting at less than $2B.
- - Wikkiwonkk (talk) 15:04, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
too long tag
#Culture is the longest section, perhaps it should be moved back to culture of New Mexico? Arlo James Barnes 16:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
I've posted a message to the Tea Room to ask how to go about editing the page so that it's consistent with other state pages.
Total page word count (minus footnotes) is ~21,000 words by copying and pasting the text into Word, using the Unformatted Text paste option. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamboler (talk • contribs) 02:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
"Economic climate" claim is unverified
In the third paragraph (starts with "New Mexico's economy") it says that NM has a significant military presence "due to its large area and economic climate". First problem: "economic climate" is a vague term. Second problem: the cited source says nothing about New Mexico's economy being the reason for the significant military presence. Just the opposite (sort of) - it says that the significant military presence plays a key role in the state's economy. Perhaps the editor who wrote "economic climate" meant to say something about NM's climate (lots of clear sunny days? I don't know), but the source doesn't say anything about that either. - Wikkiwonkk (talk) 15:48, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- Military history details Kearney, Confederate invasion during Civil War, Pershing/Pancho Villa expedition, Manhattan Project, White Sands test range, Cannon AFB, radar installations, etc. Also mention Native American examples includi pueblo agriculture, communications between pueblos. Economic climate includes art scene, tourism, sunsets, 40 degree temperature swings. Lay on the trivia! 173.207.25.14 (talk) 19:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
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