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== Please see new "Other" item at end ==
== Reason for military bases ==
The article says


Hey folks ... NM native and Misplaced Pages newbie here. For anyone watching this page, please see the "Other" item that I added at the end of the article. I think it's relevant albeit amusing, but I'm open to discussing it. The geographic ignorance of NM isn't all ''that'' common these days, but I think it happens often enough to merit a mention. Thanks. ] (]) 04:04, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Due to its large area and economic climate, New Mexico has a large U.S. military presence marked notably with the White Sands Missile Range.


:I think it's a worthy inclusion and have long enjoyed that segment! But the paragraph you added makes a number of claims ("Since 1970...", "...only state to do this...", "...so as not to be confused...") that should be cited. ] has some tips on what constitutes a good citation by Wiki standards, but mostly it should be independent (i.e. not written by the magazine itself) and reliable (i.e. not some crazy geocities site).
In other words, NM has lots of military because of its large area and its economic climate. The first one makes sense (you can't have lots of military bases in a small place), but I don't understand the second. When the federal government wants a new military base, does it pay attention to the local economy? I would guess that they would care about strategic location (witness lots of Cold War military installations in Alaska) and maybe local real estate prices (so it's cheaper to buy a massive area of land), but I don't understand how the state's economy would be responsible for the large military presence. I couldn't find anything in the rest of the article talking about the military presence being partly due to the economic climate. If any climate is relevant, it's probably the state's arid literal climate, which means that much of the state isn't covered with farms and probably made it a lot less expensive for the federal government to buy massive areas of land. Could this be changed to refer to the effect the military has on the existing economic climate? ] (]) 23:00, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks for contributing and keep up! ] (]) 18:02, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

== agriculture economic numbers ==

In the agriculture and food production section, the article says NM has an agricultural sector worth $40 billion annually. This would be >40% of the entire state economy. By comparison, the actual USA agricultural production is worth ~$380 billion/year (USDA figures), which is 1.4% of the economy. The $40 billion number is overstated by at least an order of magnitude. ] (]) 20:12, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, multiple sources contradict that $40B number:
:https://www.ibisworld.com/united-states/economic-profiles/new-mexico/
:https://www.statista.com/statistics/1065130/new-mexico-real-gdp-by-industry/
:https://web.archive.org/web/20240114193756/https://www.dws.state.nm.us/Portals/0/DM/LMI/NM_Data_Focus_GDP.pdf
:https://web.archive.org/web/20230515113308/https://www.dws.state.nm.us/Portals/0/Gross_Domestic_Product_of_New_Mexico.pdf
:They all put agriculture+forestry+fishing+hunting at less than $2B.
:- ] (]) 15:04, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

== too long tag ==

<code>#Culture</code> is the longest section, perhaps it should be moved back to ]? ] 16:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I've posted a message to the Tea Room to ask how to go about editing the page so that it's consistent with other state pages.

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== "Economic climate" claim is unverified ==

In the third paragraph (starts with "New Mexico's economy") it says that NM has a significant military presence "due to its large area and economic climate". First problem: "economic climate" is a vague term. Second problem: the cited source says nothing about New Mexico's economy being the reason for the significant military presence. Just the opposite (sort of) - it says that the significant military presence plays a key role in the state's economy. Perhaps the editor who wrote "economic climate" meant to say something about NM's climate (lots of clear sunny days? I don't know), but the source doesn't say anything about that either. - ] (]) 15:48, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

:Military history details Kearney, Confederate invasion during Civil War, Pershing/Pancho Villa expedition, Manhattan Project, White Sands test range, Cannon AFB, radar installations, etc. Also mention Native American examples includi pueblo agriculture, communications between pueblos. Economic climate includes art scene, tourism, sunsets, 40 degree temperature swings. Lay on the trivia! ] (]) 19:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Please see new "Other" item at end

Hey folks ... NM native and Misplaced Pages newbie here. For anyone watching this page, please see the "Other" item that I added at the end of the article. I think it's relevant albeit amusing, but I'm open to discussing it. The geographic ignorance of NM isn't all that common these days, but I think it happens often enough to merit a mention. Thanks. Yesthatbruce (talk) 04:04, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I think it's a worthy inclusion and have long enjoyed that segment! But the paragraph you added makes a number of claims ("Since 1970...", "...only state to do this...", "...so as not to be confused...") that should be cited. WP:CITE has some tips on what constitutes a good citation by Wiki standards, but mostly it should be independent (i.e. not written by the magazine itself) and reliable (i.e. not some crazy geocities site).
Thanks for contributing and keep up! SpookyTwenty (talk) 18:02, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

agriculture economic numbers

In the agriculture and food production section, the article says NM has an agricultural sector worth $40 billion annually. This would be >40% of the entire state economy. By comparison, the actual USA agricultural production is worth ~$380 billion/year (USDA figures), which is 1.4% of the economy. The $40 billion number is overstated by at least an order of magnitude. 2601:58A:887F:5E80:FCC6:64E5:9207:4D81 (talk) 20:12, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, multiple sources contradict that $40B number:
https://www.ibisworld.com/united-states/economic-profiles/new-mexico/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1065130/new-mexico-real-gdp-by-industry/
https://web.archive.org/web/20240114193756/https://www.dws.state.nm.us/Portals/0/DM/LMI/NM_Data_Focus_GDP.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20230515113308/https://www.dws.state.nm.us/Portals/0/Gross_Domestic_Product_of_New_Mexico.pdf
They all put agriculture+forestry+fishing+hunting at less than $2B.
- Wikkiwonkk (talk) 15:04, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

too long tag

#Culture is the longest section, perhaps it should be moved back to culture of New Mexico? Arlo James Barnes 16:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I've posted a message to the Tea Room to ask how to go about editing the page so that it's consistent with other state pages.

Total page word count (minus footnotes) is ~21,000 words by copying and pasting the text into Word, using the Unformatted Text paste option. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamboler (talkcontribs) 02:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

"Economic climate" claim is unverified

In the third paragraph (starts with "New Mexico's economy") it says that NM has a significant military presence "due to its large area and economic climate". First problem: "economic climate" is a vague term. Second problem: the cited source says nothing about New Mexico's economy being the reason for the significant military presence. Just the opposite (sort of) - it says that the significant military presence plays a key role in the state's economy. Perhaps the editor who wrote "economic climate" meant to say something about NM's climate (lots of clear sunny days? I don't know), but the source doesn't say anything about that either. - Wikkiwonkk (talk) 15:48, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Military history details Kearney, Confederate invasion during Civil War, Pershing/Pancho Villa expedition, Manhattan Project, White Sands test range, Cannon AFB, radar installations, etc. Also mention Native American examples includi pueblo agriculture, communications between pueblos. Economic climate includes art scene, tourism, sunsets, 40 degree temperature swings. Lay on the trivia! 173.207.25.14 (talk) 19:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
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