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== Update Controversies,Moon Landings, 2024:she's "never believed in the moon landings",no longer accurate to quote 2022 "she claims she doesn't care" either way == |
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== Owen's Crusade against Macron's wife == |
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Currently, it just quotes her as "Addressing a 2022 tweet about the Moon landing being "faked", Owens stated on comedian Bill Maher's Club Random podcast that she does not know or care enough about the Moon landing to call it a hoax, stating that she has "never cared about the topic."" But she can no longer say she doesn't care, found this video clip: |
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Given that it has raised a lot of heat and been widely reported, maybe her latest determination to "out" Macron's wife as transsexual would deserve mention in the "Controversies" section? |
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" '''I've never been a person that believed in the moon landings''', it's always felt a little foolish to me...in 1969 we had basically NOTHING technologically and then we stopped going after a period of years during which our government really wanted to distract us from some stuff that they were doing overseas" (0:00:37-0:00:54), https://old.bitchute.com/video/24gC1gnNNTNb/ |
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Collection of news links: [https://www.google.com/search?q=Candace+Owens+slammed+for+pushing+debunked+conspiracy+theory+that+French+first+lady+Brigitte+Macron+is+biological+man&rlz=1C1BYYL_svSE944SE944&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#ip=1]https://www.google.com/search? |
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"HOW WE FAKED THE MOON LANDING WITH BART SIBREL, CANDACE EP 124" |
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<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</small> |
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] (]) 21:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Update required - controversies == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2024 == |
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Australian visa has been cancelled ahead of her speaking tour |
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https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/extremist-influencer-candace-owens-australian-visa-cancelled-by-immigration-minister-20241026-p5klj9.html ] (]) 02:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Candace Owens is not far right. This is a term with no accurate description. I question the sources used to determine she is far right. She is Conservative. ] (]) 18:30, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done for now:''' please establish a ] for this alteration ''']''' using the {{Tlx|Edit semi-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ESp --> The statement in the header is '''extremely''' well-cited and the term ] is well-established. If you feel there's an issue with it, please take it up on the talk page before requesting an edit. ] ] 19:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:Was recently added without consensus, i've reverted it for now -- ] (]) 19:46, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2024 == |
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== Removal of "far-right" descriptor == |
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Since some editors are objecting to the inclusion of the term ] without discussing it on the talk page, I'll start the discussion. |
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Erase the line in which you state Candice Owen’s is either “conservative or far right”. Bias doesn’t have a place on Misplaced Pages |
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Ron Jeremy ] (]) 10:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I believe the use of the term is appropriate here. There's quite a few news sources (provided in the ]) that use the term when referring to her, and a quick search . |
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:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> Discussed in article, e.g. Political Views section. ] (]) 20:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::@] Per ], contentious labels like "far-right" should have in-text citations at the position of the statement. A source comment saying "sourced below" is not nearly sufficient. <span lang="en">— ] <small>] | ] | ] ]</small></span> 17:32, 14 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Fair enough, I was not aware of that one. I was following ]. Re-opening the request. ] (]) 00:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::This is now sourced. Whether or not this is ] is debatable, since any other way to describe her views would likely violate ]. It's better to be clear and straightforward than to be evasive. ] (]) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2024 == |
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Other American politicans pages such as ] use the term with a similar number of citations. ] ] 20:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:She's far more commonly called conservative. MTG is a rare exception for this extreme tag, see the discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Marjorie_Taylor_Greene#Neutrality_Dispute_Tag --] (]) 21:07, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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: I agree with using the label of far right. As is the standard on wikipedia we use what the media uses to describe her. There are 6 different citations in listed ]. ] (]) 21:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::Most sources call her conservative --] (]) 21:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::, . However I think since this is very recent news and determining how the media is describing her I suggest waiting a bit more to see what the language around her is. I suggest we wait til the 24th and wait to see how this develops. ] (]) 21:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::Just a bunch of examples for 'conversative': , , , , , , , , , , , , including one calling her "the face of black conservatism". And we literally have a section titled "Conservative activism", so unless someone wants to rewrite her entire Career and Views section, this should not go in the lead --] (]) 21:16, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Fair point. I did find her article a bit unorganized but its true. As i said i think we should wait to see ] (]) 10:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::It appears that conservative is the more common label. "Far right" is a contentious label given that Misplaced Pages's article on the subject links the label to Nazis etc. The original edit trying to justify the label contained some OR in order to justify the label. Even if we have some sources that use the label, given the BLP concerns here we should scrutinize them for quality. Such labels are often reporter opinion mixed into factual reports on what she said. ] (]) 13:24, 24 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::: Yeah, I think this is linked to the very recent anti-semitic/blood libel stuff. Whilst Owens may have some views commonly linked to the far-right, I don't see a preponderance of sources calling her that. This is not a situation like Greene or Boebert (yet). ] 19:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:I agree with the removal of far-right here. The sources are insufficient to use this label in the lede right now; of the ones added with the original edit to the article, the only RSP I see there is The Guardian, as the article from The Hill doesn't even use the term far-right. She's much more widely described as a conservative commentator (as opposed to the above examples of MTG and Boebert who are expressly called "far-right politicians" in many articles) and unless this changes the sources aren't overwhelming enough to justify it being in the lede. ''']''' <sup>(] - ])</sup> 19:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Daily Wire career in body == |
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Remove that she is an anti semite. ] (]) 06:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
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The intro mentions Candace's departure from the DailyWire, however this is not verified in the body. In general, ] so it would be good to cover her 'career' and time (and eventual departure) at DailyWire in the body. ] (]) 23:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:it does. It's mentioned in the race section and in the career section. ] (]) 23:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Currently, it just quotes her as "Addressing a 2022 tweet about the Moon landing being "faked", Owens stated on comedian Bill Maher's Club Random podcast that she does not know or care enough about the Moon landing to call it a hoax, stating that she has "never cared about the topic."" But she can no longer say she doesn't care, found this video clip:
Erase the line in which you state Candice Owen’s is either “conservative or far right”. Bias doesn’t have a place on Misplaced Pages