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			== Update Controversies,Moon Landings, 2024:she's "never believed in the moon landings",no longer accurate to quote 2022 "she claims she doesn't care" either way ==

			Currently, it just quotes her as "Addressing a 2022 tweet about the Moon landing being "faked", Owens stated on comedian Bill Maher's Club Random podcast that she does not know or care enough about the Moon landing to call it a hoax, stating that she has "never cared about the topic."" But she can no longer say she doesn't care, found this video clip:

			" '''I've never been a person that believed in the moon landings''', it's always felt a little foolish to me...in 1969 we had basically NOTHING technologically and then we stopped going after a period of years during which our government really wanted to distract us from some stuff that they were doing overseas" (0:00:37-0:00:54), https://old.bitchute.com/video/24gC1gnNNTNb/
			"HOW WE FAKED THE MOON LANDING WITH BART SIBREL, CANDACE EP 124"

			<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</small>

			== Update required - controversies ==

			Australian visa has been cancelled ahead of her speaking tour
			https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/extremist-influencer-candace-owens-australian-visa-cancelled-by-immigration-minister-20241026-p5klj9.html ] (]) 02:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

			== Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2024 ==
	Is there any way within Misplaced Pages guidelines to include links to her articles, talks, and interviews? For example:
	* Articles that she wrote for the Stamford Advocate.
	* Her TEDx talk, and talks that she gave at a Rotary luncheon, and at a library.
	* Her interviews on the Ralph Retort, and on various YouTube channels as Red Pill Black.

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	She also helped organize a 21st Century Dads event.<ref>https://www.crowdrise.com/cycle-to-end-father-absence-new-jersey-cyclebar/fundraiser/21stcenturydadsfound</ref>
			Erase the line in which you state Candice Owen’s is either “conservative or far right”. Bias doesn’t have a place on Misplaced Pages

			Ron Jeremy ] (]) 10:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
	According the announcement for the Rotary luncheon<ref>http://www.rotaryone.org/content.aspx?page_id=87&club_id=501199&item_id=549173</ref>, in April 2017, she was working as an investor relations analyst for an investment manager in Manhattan.
	] (]) 05:45, 22 ~~November~~ ~~2017~~ (UTC)		:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> Discussed in article, e.g. Political Views section. ] (]) 20:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
			::@] Per ], contentious labels like "far-right" should have in-text citations at the position of the statement. A source comment saying "sourced below" is not nearly sufficient. <span lang="en">— ] <small>] \| ] \| ] ]</small></span> 17:32, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
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			:::Fair enough, I was not aware of that one. I was following ]. Re-opening the request. ] (]) 00:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::This is now sourced. Whether or not this is ] is debatable, since any other way to describe her views would likely violate ]. It's better to be clear and straightforward than to be evasive. ] (]) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2024 ==
	== What's the problem with the text on her anti-Trump past? ==

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	An editor mass-removed text (and other changes) without substantive reason. The author is not discredited, and Buzzfeed News is RS. ] (]) 00:18, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
			Remove that she is an anti semite. ] (]) 06:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Well I even left a comment on your talk page to be polite and you don't even have the courtesy to respond before reverting. Anyhow, there is a single article on the subject by a journalist who Vox indicates did poor research before writing an article (I assume you think Vox is reliable) and the article by Buzzfeed which even states "Owens did not immediately respond to requests for comment via email and Twitter, though she did stress in tweets earlier today that the writers for the site, called Degree180, were young. She also described the reporter as a "despicable creature." (She also accused BuzzFeed News, falsely, of "threatening" the former writers for the site.) Though Degree180 is now defunct, the Internet Archive has preserved much of its content — a mix of Thought Catalog–style personal essays, bloggy political musings, woke admonishments, and relationship advice. Many of the writers for Degree180, which Owens registered in 2015, were college students." and the Hill (whose source is Buzzfeed) states that "The news outlet noted that much of her own writing on the defunct website was personal and didn’t focus on politics". So you think your edit accurately captures the context? If she said it it would be one thing, but if someone else said it, it is not as relevant.] (]) 00:29, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
	:: Yes, and your comment was nonsense. The simple fact is that you mass-removed content, ''most of which was verified to you in the edit summary'' (e.g. https://archive.is/HeRaq and https://archive.is/7Z7Qc), under the false pretense that the RS can't be trusted and that the content might be inaccurate. That's indefensible. And what exactly is the purpose of that extended quote from the Buzzfeed piece? If you want to add more stuff from the Buzzfeed piece or the Hill, go ahead and do that. ] (]) 00:50, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

			:] '''Not done for now''': please establish a ] for this alteration ''']''' using the {{Tlx\|Edit semi-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:as far as the author of your article https://www.vox.com/2016/4/4/11355876/milo-yiannopoulos "Another good example is a piece BuzzFeed's Joseph Bernstein last year, alleging that Yiannopoulos was a "group effort": that he barely wrote any of his own material, and that a cadre of 44 interns were responsible for his stuff. It's an incredible charge — but it could very well have been prank on BuzzFeed. Yiannopoulos has publicly beefed with Bernstein before; it's entirely possible that he or his allies fed Bernstein false information that's designed to make him look stupid."] (]) 00:40, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
	:: There's nothing there about Bernstein doing poor research or that his reporting is unreliability. ] (]) 00:50, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
	:::Do you know the difference between editor-in-chief and CEO? http://degree180.com/projects/#sthash.Wv7zWp77.dpbs] (]) 00:51, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
	::::Look a) this is a BLP so to insinuate that she was anti-Trump because an online site she where she is CEO has anti-Trump articles does not mean she is anti-Trump. She did not write the artilce.] (]) 00:56, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
	::::: The text did not say that she was anti-Trump or that she authored the articles. ] (]) 00:58, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
	:::: What on Earth does that have to do with anything? The article does not identify her as editor-in-chief. It identifies her as the founder of the site, and as an author on the site. ] (]) 00:57, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
	::::The founder of a website is not responsible for all the content of the website. The author of the article is. The reliability of the facts is by extension, the responsibility of the editor. Owens is not the editor, she is the CEO of the website; and your sources even state that is was not a political website but merely musings about various things. Vox even says that the ] author of the article jumped the gun on reporting facts that were most likely false. Find a better source.] (]) 01:05, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
	::::: The Vox piece did not say that. Your reading comprehension is ''atrocious'' to say the least. ] (]) 01:13, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
	::::: According to the RS, the website frequently posted anti-conservative and anti-Trump content. Owens authored anti-conservative content herself, as was verified to you. Content that mocked Trump's penis size appeared on the site, as was verified to you. You claim that Buzzfeed (a RS - which was cited by another RS which demonstrates its RS status) can't be trusted to get its facts right, yet I've given you hard proof that Buzzfeed did undeniably get its facts right, and yet this discussion still goes on... ??? ] (]) 01:13, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
	::::::She was the CEO of the website, she was not the editor. Is the CEO of the website responsible for all the content? Your sources even indicate that the website was not political and most of the articles were written bu college women. Find some other source; this is a ].] (]) 01:19, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
	:::::::The article you cite was not written by Owens. What are you taking about? Is ] responsible for all the opinions on ]? So should I add on Exra Klein's webpage that he is the editor for a news source that is anti-Trump because I find a bunch of opinion pieces on Vox that are anti-Trump and some article that says so?] (]) 01:23, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
	::::::: None of the text says that she was responsible for the content. The text very clearly says that (i) she founded the site, (ii) the site frequently featured anti-Trump and anti-conservative content, and (iii) she authored anti-conservative content. There are two sources: Buzzfeed News and The Hill, both of whom are RS and which demonstrate due weight for this minor internet celebrity. You started your edit-warring by implying that Buzzfeed News couldn't be trusted to get its facts right (seemingly because you were unable to comprehend a Vox article about the reporter of the Buzzfeed article) - I went on to prove to you that Buzzfeed undeniably got its facts right. ] (]) 01:30, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

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Update Controversies,Moon Landings, 2024:she's "never believed in the moon landings",no longer accurate to quote 2022 "she claims she doesn't care" either way

Currently, it just quotes her as "Addressing a 2022 tweet about the Moon landing being "faked", Owens stated on comedian Bill Maher's Club Random podcast that she does not know or care enough about the Moon landing to call it a hoax, stating that she has "never cared about the topic."" But she can no longer say she doesn't care, found this video clip:

" I've never been a person that believed in the moon landings, it's always felt a little foolish to me...in 1969 we had basically NOTHING technologically and then we stopped going after a period of years during which our government really wanted to distract us from some stuff that they were doing overseas" (0:00:37-0:00:54), https://old.bitchute.com/video/24gC1gnNNTNb/ "HOW WE FAKED THE MOON LANDING WITH BART SIBREL, CANDACE EP 124"

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.8.0.81 (talk) 23:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Update required - controversies

Australian visa has been cancelled ahead of her speaking tour https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/extremist-influencer-candace-owens-australian-visa-cancelled-by-immigration-minister-20241026-p5klj9.html 61.68.185.198 (talk) 02:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

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Erase the line in which you state Candice Owen’s is either “conservative or far right”. Bias doesn’t have a place on Misplaced Pages

Ron Jeremy 2601:807:100:DB0:108B:E1C2:E454:A782 (talk) 10:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Not done: Discussed in article, e.g. Political Views section. LizardJr8 (talk) 20:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

@LizardJr8 Per MOS:LABEL, contentious labels like "far-right" should have in-text citations at the position of the statement. A source comment saying "sourced below" is not nearly sufficient. — gabldotink 17:32, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, I was not aware of that one. I was following MOS:LEADCITE. Re-opening the request. LizardJr8 (talk) 00:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

This is now sourced. Whether or not this is MOS:LABEL is debatable, since any other way to describe her views would likely violate MOS:EUPHEMISM. It's better to be clear and straightforward than to be evasive. Grayfell (talk) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2024

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Remove that she is an anti semite. Naseehaaaaaa (talk) 06:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Grayfell (talk) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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