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==Notability== |
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**What are other people's thoughts on notability for an article at this point? ] 08:53, 30 December 2006 (UTC). |
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| date = January 9 2011 |
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| result = '''Speedy keep''' |
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| link = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Encyclopedia_Dramatica_(5th_nomination) |
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| date2 = February 15 2009 |
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| result2 = '''Speedy keep''' |
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| link2 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Encyclopedia_Dramatica_(4th_nomination) |
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| date3 = July 19 2008 |
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| result3 = '''Speedy keep''' |
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| link3 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Encyclopedia_Dramatica_(3rd_nomination) |
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| date4 = May 19 2008 |
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| result4 = '''Keep''' |
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| link4 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Encyclopedia_Dramatica_(2nd_nomination) |
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| date5 = May 8 2008 |
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| result5 = '''Allow recreation''' |
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| link5 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_May_8 |
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| result6 = '''Keep Deleted (speedy close)''' |
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| link6 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_May_7 |
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| result7 = '''Keep Deleted (speedy close)''' |
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| link7 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_May_3 |
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| date8 = March 6 2008 |
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| result8 = '''Keep Deleted''' |
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| link8 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_March_6 |
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| date9 = February 6 2008 |
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| result9 = '''Keep Deleted''' |
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| link9 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_February_6 |
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| date10 = January 10 2008 |
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| result10 = '''Keep Deleted''' |
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| link10 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_January_10 |
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| date11 = December 8 2007 |
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| result11 = '''Keep Deleted (speedy close)''' |
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| link11 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_December_8 |
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| date12 = October 3 2007 |
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| result12 = '''Keep Deleted''' |
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| link12 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_October_3 |
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| date13 = September 8 2007 |
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| result13 = '''Keep Deleted (speedy close)''' |
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| link13 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_September_8 |
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| date14 = July 23 2007 |
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| result14 = '''Keep Deleted''' |
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| link14 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_July_23 |
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| date15 = April 29 2007 |
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| result15 = '''Keep Deleted (speedy close)''' |
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| link15 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_April_29 |
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| date16 = April 23 2007 |
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| result16 = '''Keep Deleted''' |
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| link16 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_April_23 |
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| date17 = November 18 2006 |
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| result17 = '''Keep Deleted''' |
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| link17 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Recently_concluded_(2006_November) |
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| date18 = October 28 2006 |
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| result18 = '''Keep Deleted''' |
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| link18 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Recently_concluded_(2006_October) |
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| date19 = September 5 2006 |
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| result19 = '''Keep Deleted''' |
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| link19 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Recently_concluded_(2006_September) |
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| date20 = July 23 2006 |
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| result20 = '''Deletion Endorsed''' |
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| link20 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Recently_concluded_(2006_July) |
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| date21 = July 23 2006 |
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| result21 = '''Delete''' |
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| link21 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica_(3rd_nomination) |
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| date22 = March 30, 2006 |
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| result22 = '''No consensus''' |
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| link22 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Encyclopaedia_Dramatica |
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| date23 = June 8 2005 |
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| link23 = //en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica |
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| date24 = December 18 2004 |
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== June 2024 == |
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:I believe the issue is, was, and continues to be, the lack of reliable, independent third-party sources which speak of ED in such a fashion that might allow the construction of an encyclopedic article by themselves. No matter how many offhand mentions, parallels, or quotations one may find regarding ED, unless one could construct a wikipedia article about ED from them, and from them alone, they are useless. It's not a ] thing, it's more a ] thing, by way of ]. AS a sidenote, none of the above sources provides justification for ED under ]'s criteria, so notability questions remain unanswered. Until such time as useful policy-compliant sources are provided, this article will probably remain in a type of wiki-limbo, interspersed with periods of brimstone and hellfire. Oh, and we still can't link to the website, as per ]. |
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:Good luck on everything! ] 09:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC) |
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:I'm still surprised this page exists. Didn't the past few Deletion Reviews go the other way? Or did I miss something? ] 10:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC) |
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::I have no idea, I was not involved with that. There was a talk page earlier which discussed that, but it was deleted. Interesting enough as it is to delete and protect a page from ever being re-created, it is even more suspicious to delete the ''talk-page'' about that article, so that editors cannot even discuss the ''potential'' need for the article. All very interesting. ] 10:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC). |
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:::This entire thing, across multiple Wikis, VFDs, AFDs, DRVs, ARBs, Talk pages, and years, is indeed ''profoundly'' interesting. I've spent many a night poring over those old transcripts and trying to divine at the complex, tempestuous, ''Baroque'', emotions of the principal Actors in this grave Stage-Drama. I am nonetheless going to withhold my personal opinions, on any of ''those'' issues, (which are not relevant to this page, if I remember the talk page guidelines correctly) and stick to the whole dull "sources" affair. The 3rd AFD, stripped of whatever irrelevant material you or I might see in it, still falls down to that same lack of sources. ] 10:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Ah, I apologize, for I am tired. I'm the one who brought this affair off-track, and the fault lies with me. Sorry. ] 10:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC) |
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Yes, the .top version is now offline so it didn't last very long. It is unclear why this has happened and the site faces another period of uncertainty. '''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC) |
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] is right: "notability" is not measured by google hits, nor by Alexa rank. Notability here means nothing more than non-trivial coverage in multiple independent sources. We've been working on ] to try and make this clearer. The only thing to do with this talk page that can possibly lead to an article being created is to collect citations to discussion of ED in independent published sources. (That means published online ''or'' offline.) Discussion straying far from that topic is likely to get this talk page deleted again, if history is an indicator. -]<sup>(])</sup> 10:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC) |
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:To quote ], "A topic is notable if it has been the '''subject''' of multiple, non-trivial published works with sources independent of the subject itself and each other." (Emphasis mine.) RFJason's Craigslist may have been the subject of "multiple, non-trivial published works with sources independent of the subject itself and each other", and you might well consider writing an article on that, but these sources don't tell me anything about ED. Because they aren't really talking about ED. At the risk of repetition, they're talking about RFJason's Craigslist. Quoting ], "Articles should contain only material that has been published by reliable sources." What could these, admittedly reliable and independent, sources tell us about ED, beyond the fact that it contains this queer oddity known as "RFJason's Craigslist"? ] 10:49, 30 December 2006 (UTC) |
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::Blanking my mind of ED for the moment, what I've gathered of ED from these articles is that it is 1) A "public website" , 2) "devoted to parodies and satires online" , and 3) a "wiki" . That is, assuming that all the articles are referring to the same site. ] 11:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Ah, but wait. That's trivial, isn't it? According to ], one type of trivial material is that which provides "(3) a brief summary of the nature of the content". This material, therefore, is generally unusable as a notability-proving device. ] 11:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC) |
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:It's back, and according to the Dramatica forum, "] suspended the domain." So off we go with a new domain, with .top holding the record for the shortest tenure at less than a month.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 18:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:Good idea. I will incorporate it into a section below, which can be used only for posting up citations: |
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::Re . ED currently has two domains, edramatica.com which was registered on 9 June 2024, and dramatica.wtf which was registered on 13 May 2024 and is also being used for the forums. Since edramatica.com seems to be the main address and dramatica.wtf is a mirror, the article should give edramatica.com as the address per ].--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 10:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
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==Citations to discussion of ED in independent published sources== |
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This subsection should only be used to collect references/discussion of Encyclopedia Dramatica in independent published sources (online or offline), in order to assess notability: |
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#, '']'' - ] 10:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC). |
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#, '']'', ], ] - ] 10:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC). |
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#"Megabits and Pieces The latest teen hangout", 95 - ''North Adams Transcript'', John Mitchell, ] - ], ] - ] 10:45, 30 December 2006 (UTC). |
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#, ], September 11, 2006, (not necessarily a good source, but an interesting part of the saga) - ] 10:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC). |
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#, Sept. 11, 2006, ] (again, doesn't mention ED directly, but interesting part of story) - ] 10:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC). |
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#, Sept 12, 2006, ], - I am starting to think that if not an article about ED, might be worthwhile to have an article about this incident itself... Ah, found more at ]. ] 10:53, 30 December 2006 (UTC). |
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:::Re : edramatica.com is down at the moment, but it is unclear whether this is a temporary blip or something more serious.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 15:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::::I'm an ED regular, and I saw it go down live. When it went down, edramatica.com was replaced with a page that said, "So Don't Do That Then... (This domain has been terminated for abuse)", so I think it's safe to believe that edramatica.com has been suspended by EasyDNS. ] (]) 17:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Thanks, there have been persistent claims in the past few weeks that domain registrars are unhappy with some of the content on ED. Freedom of speech is one thing, deliberate harassment and defamation of living people is another. Since this is all part of the fun (cough, cough) at ED, it leaves them with the difficult task of finding a new domain and web host.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 18:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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*And thanks to the wonders of the ], we can see the termination message . It does indeed say "So Don't Do That Then... (This domain has been terminated for abuse)" as a message from ], complete with a dead skeleton pirate. At this rate ED will end up as a ] only, because no domain will have them.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 18:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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*:The forums at also seem to be down, as all I get is an error message saying "Page could not be loaded". (On other devices I tried, the website won't even load at all and just says "DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN") ] (]) 22:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:They are now on encyclopediadramatica.gay, which was registered with ] on 17 June 2024. So let's see how long this lasts, they have had three new domains in little over a month.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::That might not be the wisest choice, per the ] section of the ] article. I don't know, we'll just have to wait and see how long this one will last for. ] (]) 11:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::OT, but i'm surprised to see ED able to registed the .gay domain at all. ] (]) 11:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::The .gay website now redirects to edramatica.com, which is working again. ] (]) 22:34, 25 August 2024 (UTC) |
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===.win domain=== |
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Please see that guideline before continuing with this; sources that indicate notability must have the topic as their main subject. If it is a newspaper article, the entire article must be about the topic. Sources that are about something else, with trivial mentions, do not attest to the notability of the topic with trivial mentions. —]→] • 12:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC) |
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Re : It's true that the site is up and running at .win, but it is also up and running at .gay at the time of writing. This leads to a problem with ] as usually only one URL is given.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:But they could be used as sources/citations in possible articles about the subject. ] 12:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC). |
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:.gay is the current official domain and hosts both the Encyclopedia Dramatica Forums and the wiki. .win is an unauthorized copy of the site that was made by a disgruntled former wiki sysop. The .win site doesn't even have a forum because the guy who runs it never even had a copy of the forum database (although he tried to beg the owner of .gay for the database). |
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:No one of any importance from .online or any of the previous domains is using .win, they are all on .gay. ] (]) 00:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::The main pages of .gay and .win are different, so they are not a complete mirror. Also, .win does not have the forums which are only on .gay. So it does look like .win is an unofficial mirror and not endorsed by the people at .gay.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC) |
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: Those are 'very interesting' one sided comments by both editors, hmmm, but above statement makes no sense if some ver is accepted or not... .win has more articles, also .win has more quality videos... ] (]) 16:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::I'm not going to get drawn into an argument over which is the better or more official version, but they are not serving exactly the same content and .win does not have the forum pages.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 16:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:It would seem that .win is down for the count, leaving edramatica.com as the sole host of the property. The circle of life continues... ''']'''<sub> (]•])</sub> 16:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::It's hard to keep up with this, but at the time of writing, .gay is completely offline, while .win has a page saying "It's over - for now... Due to reasons that shall not be disclosed I will not be able to run encyclopediadramatica.win anymore - at least all on my own." This means that edramatica.com is the only working version at the moment, and thankfully we no longer have to listen to arguments about whether .win or .gay is the better version, because both of them are unavailable now.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 16:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:::{{Reply|ianmacm}} I'm beginning to get concerned about the quality of the article, as the list of domains & owners is becoming too unwieldy for the infobox. We should probably find a way to truncate it. ''']'''<sub> (]•])</sub> 17:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Agreed, I'm not sure that the infobox needs to list all of the domains that are now defunct.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 17:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC) |
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why is there no link? ] (]) 17:47, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:There have been so many ups and downs in 2024 that it is hard to keep track of them all. However, the article is correct that edramatica.com is currently the only one that is online. There is also a problem with ] due to unsuitable material on the main page (harassment, ] etc).--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 17:58, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::I'm not sure why the user keeps deleting this as it answered the question and it's useful for other editors who might ask the same question. ] (]) 23:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::as of 12/20/24, edramatica.com is down with the "timed out" error, awaiting further information. ] (]) 06:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::IsItDownRightNow says that it has been down for over a week. This means that at the time of writing, the site is not online at all. This isn't a major panic, as ED has been offline for weeks in the past and returned. Watch this space.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 08:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Are you checking some other ED mirror? I'm taking about edramatica.com, which was back on the same day it got down, which was 12/20/24. ] (]) 18:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::I couldn't access edramatica.com yesterday (20 December), but it is back online today. IsItDownRightNow agrees and says "Last down: 1 day 10 hours ago.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 20:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== ED Downtime == |
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edramatica.com is down again. |
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(12/23/24) ] (]) 06:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:edramatica.com is back up. (12/23/24) ] (]) 09:56, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::I'm relaxed about this, as ED's hosting is famously unreliable. It has been offline for days or weeks in the past.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 12:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
Yes, the .top version is now offline so it didn't last very long. It is unclear why this has happened and the site faces another period of uncertainty. ♦IanMacM♦ 07:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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