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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 March 2023 == |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 May 2024 == |
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Change the Gini index for the year 2019 to 2021: change 26.0 to 25.7 (decrease) |
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Changing the official language to only Romanian as it is stated in the Declaration of Independence and in the 2013 ruling of the Constitutional Court of Moldova that the language is Romanian. ] (]) 13:55, 14 March 2023 (UTC) |
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Link: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.GINI?locations=MD ] (]) 12:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:EEp --> — ] (]) 07:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:Well actually I think the change was pretty clear and it's been {{done}}, thank you @]! ] (]) 15:05, 23 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== No such thing as "too long to read comfortably" as long as the information is relevant == |
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:The field is named "Official language and national language" and this is sourced. <span style="font-family:Courier;"><b> // ] :: ] </b></span> 14:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::{{re|TimothyBlue}} please have a look at ] and let me know what you think. Best, ] (]) 16:23, 14 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I know I'm not the Timothy person, but it looks good to me. I've accordingly closed the edit request. @] ] (]) 21:51, 14 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:] '''In progress:''' An editor is implementing the requested edit.<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (]) 21:52, 14 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::If you are going to replace existing content with references, you need to explain with sources why the information is incorrect and why the sources should be removed and what sources are replacing them. <span style="font-family:Courier;"><b> // ] :: ] </b></span> 22:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:::In 1991, the Declaration of Independence of Moldova named the official language as Romanian. In December 2013, the Constitutional Court of Moldova ruled that the Declaration of Independence takes precedence over the Constitution, and the state language should be called "Romanian". On March 2, 2023, the Moldovan parliament voted in the first reading to replace the phrase "Moldovan language" with "Romanian language" in all legislation of the country. The proposed law was introduced by a group of members of the "Action and Solidarity Party" fraction. Additionally, phrases such as "official language," "state language," and "mother tongue" will also be replaced. The authors of the proposal argue that this change is necessary to implement the constitutional considerations outlined in the decisions of the Constitutional Court, which declared that the state language of the Republic of Moldova is Romanian. The bill also proposes that the National Holiday "Our Language," as it is currently referred to, be renamed "Romanian Language." The proposal passed its first reading with 56 votes in favor. |
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:::You need anything else, chief? ] (]) 11:18, 15 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::::The information on the page reflects this. Are you saying Moldovan is not a major national language in Moldova? or that the sources you are seeking to remove are not reliable? You're proposing removing reliability sourced information is a POV edit. Do not remove reliably sourced information unless you have a consensus that the sources are incorrect. If necessary you can go to the dispute resolution noticeboard ]. <span style="font-family:Courier;"><b> // ] :: ] </b></span> 11:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/moldovan-parliament-approves-law-romanian-language-2023-03-16/ |
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:::::There you go it's over now, you can go and cry, bye ] (]) 13:49, 17 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::No one is disputing this, but your attempt to remove Moldovan and only list Romanian as a language (which is sourced) because you think "Moldovan language doesn't exist it was invented by Russians to give Moldovans a separate identity" (see reference below) is unacceptable. I thought you would take the hint to drop this when an admin removed your comment, but since you have decided to continue, maybe this behavior should be looked into further. <span style="font-family:Courier;"><b> // ] :: ] </b></span> 14:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::-)))) go outside and enjoy life you seem sad af |
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:::::::] (]) 14:07, 18 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::{{replyto|TimothyBlue}} Can you please put a reliable source saying Moldovan is "the national language of Moldova" as you claim? Because both the CIA World Factbook and Encyclopedia Britannica (the sources you've put to claim Moldovan was a language) both say Moldovan is not a language but the official name of Romanian in Moldova, and it's not even official anymore as of 16th March 2023 this was changed by the ]. |
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:::::So can you provide reliable sources saying Moldovan is a language and it's the national language as you've claimed several times? Because if I check ] it clearly says it was an alternative name for Romanian, despite you saying the opposite, the Wikipage doesn't agree with your words, so can you provide alternative reliable sources that match your point? |
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:::::And that means reliable sources clearly saying "Moldovan language" is a separate language (as you claim) not ones that just mention Moldovan because before 16th March 2023 was the official name of the Romanian language in Moldova, like it says in the CIA World Factbook source ] (]) 21:43, 18 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::The change of constitution that change the name of the language was signed by president on 22 March 2023. That means that the official languange is called Romanian. |
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:::::https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/moldovan-president-signs-decree-on-referring-to-national-language-as-romanian/2853850 ] (]) 11:43, 23 March 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''': Kapanol420 had a nationalist POV rant removed from this page today, here is the diff . I think this shows what this edit request is about and that is should be rejected. Kapanol420 is headed for a block from contributing to Romanian and Moldovan articles. <span style="font-family:Courier;"><b> // ] :: ] </b></span> 15:28, 15 March 2023 (UTC) |
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The message "This article may be too long to read and navigate comfortably" is just silly. ] (]) 20:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== New source for Moldova's official language == |
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The actual source is from ] (very legit source) but I think it can be replaced for an even better source, the official ] website. This is the link: https://multimedia.parlament.md/adoptat-de-parlament-sintagma-limba-romana-va-fi-introdusa-in-toate-legile-republicii-moldova/ as a side note, it also says all official texts that included the denomination "Moldovan language" will be effectively replaced to Romanian language. ] (]) 19:47, 18 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:No one is disputing that the Moldovan parliment declared Romanian the official langauge for government use. |
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:'''This does not mean that Moldovan doesn't exist as a national language'''. Attempting to obscure information about their relationship and history does not improve the article and it does not help readers understand the situation; The only thing it does is take sides in a nationalist POV push. The government descision does not mean Moldovan disappears from use or never existed. <span style="font-family:Courier;"><b> // ] :: ] </b></span> 20:03, 18 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::Dude, what are you talking about? Did you even read 2 phrases of the wikipage ]? '''Moldovan, also known historically as Moldavian, was a local name of the Romanian language in Moldova.''' So it literally says it was the local name of the Romanian language (not even valid anymore, as it's a defunct name) yer you still claim Moldovan is a separate language. What's your point here? Your arguments make no sense. |
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::Your edit attempts to shoehorn "Moldovan language" seem to be the ones coming from someone with a nationalist POV push. It's crystal clear that Moldovan was just a local name and not a language as you claim. As it has never been one. You can find all of this perfectly explained here: ] Wikipage. |
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::And I would kindly ask you to stop with your disruptive behavior as I've just asked for a source replacement here, for an even better one. If you want to talk about your own POV you have the section from above, as you've made it. ] (]) 20:57, 18 March 2023 (UTC) |
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Reminds me of Filipino. The govt wanted to downplay that they were imposing one ethnic language, Tagalog, over the others by calling it "Filipino" and claiming that it was a different language. This ran into a speed bump because Filipino citizens are allowed translators in court if they do not speak fluent Filipino. One defendant demanded a translator because he only spoke Tagalog. The judge ruled that providing a translator would be frivolous because Filipino ''is'' Tagalog. |
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There is a difference here, in that Moldavian is written in Cyrillic. Not that that makes it a language, of course, but it does affect govt publications. I presume that that aspect of the standard is already defunct, at least in govt-controlled areas, in which case all that's left is the choice of name. I think "Romanian (officially 'Moldovan')" should be adequate, but added "pending change in law" for clarification. ] (]) 20:07, 19 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{tq|I presume that that aspect of the standard is already defunct, at least in govt-controlled areas, in which case all that's left is the choice of name.}} that is correct. It is on Moldova's constitution that "Moldovan" is to be written in the Latin alphabet. This alphabet portion will be removed once Romanian replaces Moldovan as it will be superfluous. And that Filipino/Tagalog note is an interesting addition. ] ] ] 20:26, 19 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::"Moldavian" as you call it is Stalin's invention. At first, the Moldovan SSR adopted Romanian orthography, but when exporting revolution to Romania failed, Stalin invented bastardized Cyrillic Moldovan. That is, it was not a return to Cyrillic Romanian. "Moldavian" was never a real language, only an orthographic tool of a totalitarian state to isolate the same people divided between Romania and Moldova. ]<small> ►]</small> 01:34, 22 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Well, to attribute this "invention" to Stalin would be a superoversimplification. Please see the detailed exposition of the issue in "]". There were plenty of moldovenists even before Stalin grabbed power. ] (]) 15:51, 23 March 2023 (UTC) |
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Participate in the deletion discussion at the ]. —] (]) 15:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC) |
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== Language law published in Monitorul Official == |
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The law changing all references to “Romanian language” has been published in the Monitorul Official today () so we can finally go ahead and change the references. ] (]) 10:50, 24 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{u|De wafelenbak}}, as the law project stated, legislative changes will take place within 30 days of the law entering into force. That was only today. When the constitution is changed we will see lots of press releases and articles about it. Right now there are not any, because it has not happened. ] ] ] 17:59, 24 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::By the way, please do not revert . Because, as you say the official language formally remains Moldovan and the statement in question is formally false. Or you expand the text in this place with detailed explanation. ] (]) 18:06, 24 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I interpreted that edit as if you thought the 1991 declaration of independence was outdated because of the 2023 changes. Apologies. ] ] ] 18:13, 24 March 2023 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 May 2023 == |
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] (]) 16:54, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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scrieti la gini index 25,7 intrati pe linkul de la bibliografie] (]) 16:54, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> not communicating in English. ] (]) 17:06, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:I suggest you read over ] <span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">]</span>🍁 20:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC) |
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I seem to be blocked from editing the page about the country here, but not its talk page? |
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Please replace ] with ] in the first sentence: '''Moldova''', officially the '''Republic of Moldova''', is a ] country in ], on the northeastern corner of the ]. |
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However, I think there is a typo in the "Administrative divisions"-section. "largest city in Moldova is Chișinău with a population of appprox" looks strange to me, but on the other hand, I have not studied English for decades! ] (]) 16:48, 11 July 2023 (UTC) |
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The ] are located south of the ]. |
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:The correct spelling is "approx". I have amended it. ] (]) 14:48, 12 July 2023 (UTC) |
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The ] are not in the vicinity of ]. |
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I believe the author meant to speak about the ] instead of the ]. |
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The intended description of ] located "on the northeastern corner of the ]" is correct. ] (]) 02:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== "...on the northeast corner of the Balkans"? No. "The Carpathians", perhaps. == |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 October 2023 == |
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The first sentence of the lede states <i>"Moldova, officially the Republic of Moldova, is a landlocked country in Eastern Europe, <b>on the northeastern corner of the Balkans</b>"</i> (emphasis added). This is a peculiar claim, first because "the Balkan states" generally refers to Bulgaria and the nations on the eastern shore of the Adriatic Sea (Serbia, Kosovo, North Macedonia, etc.), which Moldova is nowhere near. But there is, in fact another mountain range that lies <u>between</u> the Baltic Mountains and Moldova: the Carpathians. So to describe Moldova as being "on the northeast corner of the Balkans" is to dismiss the fact that there are at least 150 miles/240km of plains, plus the Carpathian Range, <u>between</u> the Baltic Range and the closest point of Moldova (although there is still 50 miles/80km between the Carpathians and the closest part of Moldova, so "on the corner" is a stretch). If no one can argue persuasively why this should not be changed, I will correct it.<br>] (]) 00:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC) |
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'''Vandalization alert:''' the sentence/phrase "pierogi (called 'Chiroște' in Moldovan) are another traditional staple and are often stuffed with a soft cheese in Moldova." is factually incorrect as any Moldovan/Romanian person may confirm. |
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== Etymology section - German name of Moldova River is incorrect == |
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'''Proposed change:''' Delete the sentence/phrase |
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The etymology section notes that the German name for the Moldova River is Moldau. Moldau is the German name for the Vltava River in Czechia. The German for Moldova is Moldova. See the Deutches article on the Moldova River: https://de.wikipedia.org/Moldova_(Fluss). The article is protected beyond my edit level. Is anyone with higher access motivated to correct this small thing? ] (]) 22:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Pierogi is a Polish food, and it's something akin to dumplings. No such word "Chiroște" exists in Romanian: https://dexonline.ro/definitie/chiroște (or 'Moldovan' as it was written by the person who vandalized the article), neither in cultural register of speech nor in informal register of speech anywhere in Moldova. ] (]) 23:15, 18 October 2023 (UTC) |
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The etymology section notes that the German name for the Moldova River is Moldau. Moldau is the German name for the Vltava River in Czechia. The German for Moldova is Moldova. See the Deutches article on the Moldova River: https://de.wikipedia.org/Moldova_(Fluss). The article is protected beyond my edit level. Is anyone with higher access motivated to correct this small thing? Catercorn (talk) 22:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 07:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Done, thank you @LeinadWalter! 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 15:05, 23 September 2024 (UTC)