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== Spoken word non-free audio files == |
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Most of my experience when it comes to non-free content has been with respect to images. I understand that policy also allows non-free audio files, but I mostly see them used in music related articles. I'm not sure how policy treats non-free spoken word audio files like ].{{pb}}It seems as if a non-free audio file of an interview would fail ] because a transcript of the interview could either be cited or quotes of what was said during the interview could be added and cited. Moreover, if there are no ] issues, a link to the audio/video of the interview could be added to "External links" section.{{pb}}It also seems unnecessary per ] to simply hear someone's voice just for that reason alone unless their voice was perhaps the subject of critical commentary in reliable sources due to some unique characteristic.{{pb}}There is also the issue of length and ]. ] states clips might be used, but it's not clear how long a "clip" is supposed to be. Is it 5%, 10%, 20% or some other percent of the total length of full audio file. Is there ] guidance provided for audio files. The Routh audio file mentioned above is 1:45 long and comes from a 10 minute long YouTube video; so, that's about 20% of the total video (I guess). -- ] (]) 05:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:Spoken word clips should be treated both as NFC and as ] related to quotations, which means the length of the quote/clip should be kept to a minimum. 1:45 minutes of a 10 min. video is far too much, we're talking maybe what takes 3 or 4 sentences to be used. External media that is relevant can always be linked to in the article (we have a template box for that) if the full source (made available by the copyright owner) is out there. |
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:but all NFCC also applies - if the spoken text comes across just as well as in text quotes (which are FREER) the audio sample is wholly unnecessary. ] (]) 13:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:This sample is now listed at ]. ] (]) 22:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Photos of people who disappeared == |
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This came up recently in a FFD. ] We seem to have quite a lot of photos of people who disappeared even in cases where there's a reasonable suspicion that the person is still alive. Sometimes this even includes age progression images which only make sense when it's assumed the person might still be alive. Or perhaps to put it a different way the age progression is only needed if the person is alive. We're less likely to have images when the person seems to be presumed dead which I guess makes sense since in those cases while NFCC#1 might be clearer, NFCC#8 is not (readers don't need to know what they look like). The FFD above seems to be leaning towards delete, so I'm wondering if we have a wider problem we need to take care of. ] (]) 11:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:Personally, unless there was some notable visual feature about the missing person, we don't need an image of the person on a page about a missing person (eg NFCC#8 fails), but I know many others assert that it is essential to see the image of the person that is being talked about. In NFCC terms, it is fair that for a person that has been missing for several months/years, we cannot readily expect to take a public photo of them, so there is at least some reasonable allowance for it. |
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:We are ''certainly'' not a missing-person finder so things like age-progression images are not appropriate at all (I am sure in such cases, references and ELs will include sites with that). Usually in such cases, the last known photo of the person is what becomes tied to the public knowledge of the case, so that's the only real (non-free) image that should be used. ] (]) 13:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::The person in this instance isn't exactly disappeared in the sense of 'likely dead/kidnapped', he (and his kids) are intentionally avoiding society and we know his rough location. So I don't think this is a one-to-one with most disappearances. I agree though that NFCC#8 isn't really applicable to understanding a disappearance. ] (]) 20:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::We have allowed NFC of living persons who are known to purposely avoid public and are recluse, but that still urges NFCC#8 to be satisfied<span id="Masem:1731099863774:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNNon-free_content" class="FTTCmt"> — ] (]) 21:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</span> |
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::::@] We have? ] (]) 01:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::The general rule on photos of living persons is based on the fact that they likely will appear in a public place and thus a free photo can be taken. For people that either cannot be in public (such as those in jail) or that are purposely avoiding public places (documented as such) then this is generally not possible so we'd allow for a non-free to be used if such is otherwise appropriate for NFC.<span id="Masem:1731116389258:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNNon-free_content" class="FTTCmt"> — ] (]) 01:39, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</span> |
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:To copy what I said at that FFD: With disappearances: if they are the presumed dead kind of disappearance, and it has been a reasonable amount of time, then it may apply. This is about the case of a family subject to a recent disappearance who is recognizably still alive. No one knows where they are but a photo of them was just taken. So the reasons for the exception given for historical photos is not present here. If they are presumed alive but no one can find them, no. An image could still, in theory, be taken of them that is free. In theory, someone could just meet them and take a photo, however unlikely that is, but there are plenty of living people who it is unlikely to see and we can't upload NFCC of them except in truly exceptional circumstances where it is certain they will ''never'' be accessible to the public. I do think it enhances understanding but still, the replacability factor. ] (]) 03:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Photo from National Portrait Gallery == |
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Are there any source related issues for non-free logos, flags or other images sourced to the website {{url|www.crwflags.com}}, which appears to be getting its images from ]. If you search, crwflags.com, you find there are lots of articles (500+) that seem to be citing it as reliable source, but there are also lots of files (like ] and ]) giving it a source for images being uploaded as non-free content. Some of the image like "File:Flag of Ashland, Alabama.png" are actually photos uploaded to the site, which means they might be derivative works with two copyrights to consider. Should it just be assumed that the images uploaded are accurate and just treat them as being published on the crwflags site, or should the site itself be treated as a problematic source like is done at ], though that seems mainly due to ] than ]? -- ] (]) 06:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Are there any source related issues for non-free logos, flags or other images sourced to the website {{url|www.crwflags.com}}, which appears to be getting its images from ]. If you search, crwflags.com, you find there are lots of articles (500+) that seem to be citing it as reliable source, but there are also lots of files (like ] and ]) giving it a source for images being uploaded as non-free content. Some of the image like "File:Flag of Ashland, Alabama.png" are actually photos uploaded to the site, which means they might be derivative works with two copyrights to consider. Should it just be assumed that the images uploaded are accurate and just treat them as being published on the crwflags site, or should the site itself be treated as a problematic source like is done at ], though that seems mainly due to ] than ]? -- ] (]) 06:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:CRW and FOTW are not reliable sources whatsoever. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span>]</span> 06:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:CRW and FOTW are not reliable sources whatsoever. To me, this makes whether they are free or non-free irrelevant.<span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span>]</span> 06:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Getty images open content == |
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I was wondering if the Getty Open Content program images (https://www.getty.edu/projects/open-content-program/) qualify as public domain and can be used on wikipedia. I think they can, but the language around the website is a little confusing to me and I want to be sure. Thanks! ] (]) 15:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Yes, they are freely licensed images under CC0. see ] ] (]) 15:41, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:You can upload any of those images to Commons. That is a common enough source of PD images that Commons has a template for identifying the source. See ]. -- ] (]) 15:58, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
Are there any source related issues for non-free logos, flags or other images sourced to the website www.crwflags.com, which appears to be getting its images from Flags of the World (website). If you search, crwflags.com, you find there are lots of articles (500+) that seem to be citing it as reliable source, but there are also lots of files (like File:Flag of Ashland, Alabama.png and File:Flag of Opp, Alabama.png) giving it a source for images being uploaded as non-free content. Some of the image like "File:Flag of Ashland, Alabama.png" are actually photos uploaded to the site, which means they might be derivative works with two copyrights to consider. Should it just be assumed that the images uploaded are accurate and just treat them as being published on the crwflags site, or should the site itself be treated as a problematic source like is done at c:COM:Bad sources#Flags of the World, though that seems mainly due to c:COM:FAIR than WP:RS/P#Flags of the World? -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)