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| Can you please take a look at what I added to the ANI thread.--v/r - ]] 16:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| * Good points, and I agree. ] 22:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| I don't think that is the kind of thing that ] is meant to cover. When someone identifies a pattern of (in their eyes) racist behavior by a group of editors, we probably shouldn't call that a "personal attack". | |||
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| If you come from a place where "Anglo" means "non-Latino white American", then I can imagine that being quite jarring, but I don't think that was what was meant in this case. I think the non-native speaker meant that some native English speakers are making comments that denigrate non-native English speakers, and a little re-wording might be helpful. I wonder if you might consider self-reverting. ] (]) 23:48, 4 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| * {{u|WhatamIdoing}} Sorry, no - calling people racists is a personal attack, if you're doing it purely because you disagree with them; if there was genuine racism there then it would be a different situation; there isn't. ] 11:25, 5 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| *:But {{blue|English is a universal language my friends, and not the property of colonial imperialists}} is a statement of opinion, not directed at anyone. Except colonial imperialists I suppose, but they can look after themselves. ]'']'' 12:15, 5 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| *:Does your definition of "genuine racism" include practices that have an obvious ]? Mine does. I suspect that editor's does, too. | |||
| *:Does your definition of "genuine racism" include subtle racism? {{doi|10.1177/0011000015625329}} defines it this way: "Identifying contemporary racism has been problematic as this type of racism, namely subtle racism, is difficult to discern, and the actions in question can be easily justified by other causes". https://www.recurse.com/social-rules talks about "subtle -isms". They one of the practical consequences of subtle racism: "The “subtle” in “subtle -isms” means that it’s probably not obvious to everyone right away what was wrong with the comment." Some people, having experienced more of these "indirect and ] acts of ]", are quicker to notice racialized patterns of social exclusion. I think the editor was calling out subtle racism based on a common race+linguistic pair. | |||
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| *:You might also be interested in what ] has to say, e.g., "Covert linguistic racism, on the other hand, is expressed through indirect and ] acts of ].<ref name="TankosićDovchin2021">{{cite journal |last1=Tankosić |first1=Ana |last2=Dovchin |first2=Sender |date=7 April 2021 |title=(C)overt linguistic racism: Eastern-European background immigrant women in the Australian workplace |journal=Ethnicities |volume=23 |issue=5 |page=1–32 |doi=10.1177/14687968211005104 |issn=1468-7968 |eissn=1741-2706 |s2cid=233600585 |hdl-access=free |hdl=20.500.11937/91494}}</ref> In the U.S., covert linguistic racism plays a role in a lack of diverse participation..." | |||
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| *:I don't think it's difficult to understand the POV that the proposed LLM rules amount to an "indirect" act of "social exclusion" that will result in "a lack of diverse participation". These rules will especially affect people from East Asia, "based on an individual or community's linguistic background", to quote the opening line of our article, while "maintaining this social inequality under a veneer of indirectness and deniability", to quote the end of the first paragraph. The fact is that English is easier to learn if you come from a group whose common native language was Dutch or German than if your group's native language was Chinese or Japanese. Language is part of most people's racial identity. (Consider, e.g., ].) | |||
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| *:I personally see no ''overt'' racism in the discussion. But I also think the sentiment is not completely unreasonable, and I'm not comfortable saying that there is no "genuine racism" involved. "Contemporary" styles of ] are genuine racism, too. ] (]) 16:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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