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I recently noticed a proliferation of long passages presented as quotes. While quotation and attribution is considered an acceptable way of presenting copyrighted material, the Misplaced Pages essay ] offers some guidance. That guidance has two defects — it's an essay so does not have the force of policy, and it is (understandably) short on specific guidance as to acceptable length. I recently noticed a proliferation of long passages presented as quotes. While quotation and attribution is considered an acceptable way of presenting copyrighted material, the Misplaced Pages essay ] offers some guidance. That guidance has two defects — it's an essay so does not have the force of policy, and it is (understandably) short on specific guidance as to acceptable length.


I've accepted a number of such situations some of which are quite short and therefore in my opinion quite appropriate. Others are longer than I would like but I've accepted them. However this one strikes me as a bit too long (392 words): I've accepted a number of such situations some of which are quite short and therefore in my opinion quite appropriate. Others are longer than I would like but I've accepted them. However this one strikes me as a bit too long (392 words):


What are your thoughts on how this should be handled? What are your thoughts on how this should be handled?


As an aside, while this one is not a specific example, I've seen in increased usage of long passages in the quote parameter within a reference. I'm a big fan of using exact passages to support a point made in my own words, but I generally try to excerpt a short a passage as possible. You have any thoughts on whether copyrighted text used in the quote parameter of a reference ought to be handled differently than a quote inserted into the main text of an article? ]] 13:47, 17 December 2024 (UTC) As an aside, while this one is not a specific example, I've seen in increased usage of long passages in the quote parameter within a reference. I'm a big fan of using exact passages to support a point made in my own words, but I generally try to excerpt a short a passage as possible. You have any thoughts on whether copyrighted text used in the quote parameter of a reference ought to be handled differently than a quote inserted into the main text of an article? ]] 13:47, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
:It's true that there's not a lot of specific guidance as to length or number of quotes whether in the article itself or embedded in the citations. Adding quotes to citations seems to be gaining in popularity, too. The guideline ] says "Extensive quotation of copyrighted text is prohibited" but it doesn't specify how much is too much or how many quotes are too many. So it's a judgement call, both within the article and within the citations.{{pb}}Within an article, I usually remove a quote if it's more than one or two sentences, especially if the content could readily be rewritten. Edit summary is typically "remove quotation; there's no reason why original prose could not be prepared". Sometimes I will trim for length if the editor has added an overlong quote from a movie review or book review. If an editor has added an unenlightening adspeak quote from a press release I will typically remove it. Other cases where the article shows an overuse of quotations throughout where the article would kinda be destroyed if I removed it all, I will tag for {{tlx|Over-quotation}} and let the interested editors decide what to do. I sometimes use the same tag for over-quotation within citations as well.{{pb}}Regarding quotations within citations: if the subject matter is controversial or the sources are not readily accessible, I will leave it alone. Quotes from readily available web content on material that is not controversial or not likely to be challenged are good candidates for removal, especially if the amount and number and length of quotations is out of proportion to the length of the article. Regarding the Nobel Prize speech, my opinion is that the quotation is too long and not very enlightening, and I would likely remove it and suggest the editor should offer an external link instead. I might try trimming it to a much shorter excerpt if I had the time and thought I could do so in an effective way. ] (]) 14:34, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the indepth answer. ]] 18:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I use quotations in a limited way to more accurately convey some unique insight from the source that is difficult to paraphrase, and especially for critical assessment of books, movies and the like. My personal rule of thumb is that one or two sentences are fine, three sentences may be OK, and four sentences might be justified in unusual circumstances. I also take into consideration the length of the source. I would never use four sentences from a brief newspaper article, but may occasionally use four sentences from a book or a lengthy journal article.

:::But my main reason for coming by is to thank you, Diannaa, for all of your outstanding work on copyright issues over the years. I deeply appreciate your expertise. ] (]) 20:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thanks for your kind remarks Cullen328, and for adding another perspective on the quotations issue. ] (]) 20:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
::I've noticed a slight increase in ] reports at CopyPatrol and wonder sometimes "How many are too many quotes" or "How long is too long". I'm not always comfortable at making judgement calls, but leaving the report open and with that leaving more work for others seems also not ideal. ] (]) 14:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I don't like doing it either; I never know what's going to provoke someone into getting nasty about it. Most times there's no response or at worst they revert me. But hopefully they learn something too. ] (]) 14:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hi - there are a couple of edits to this page with offensive Edit Summaries - and - would you be willing to remove them? Thanks! ] (]) 20:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

:{{done}} Thanks for the suggestion. ] (]) 20:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hello Diannaa. I want to propose this to you; restore my edit to the article for at least a few hours. I will fix it to avoid plagiarism and cite even the source you mentioned. If you and your friends are not sure, please look at my edit history and you will see that my edits on the Pablo Escobar article are far from even resembling that page you showed me before. If you have any questions, please reply to me. Regards. ] (]) 17:15, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

:I will send you the deleted content via email. ] (]) 19:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::II just checked my email. There's nothing, not even in spam. ] (]) 23:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I have sent it again. ] (]) 02:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Nothing. Please send to the same but change hotmail by gmail. Thanks. ] (]) 15:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
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Good work Rushabh.dev (talk) 01:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! --Diannaa (talk) 01:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Edits to Briarcrest Christian School

Hello, thank you for your message regarding the edits made to the Briarcrest Christian School page. I am new to editing on Misplaced Pages, so your guidance was very helpful and instructive. I am primarily trying to edit some of the objective information on the page (particularly in the school template - enrollment and principal sections are no longer accurate.) I would also like to add information related to recent academic offerings and athletics (again, objective information). It appears my submission was removed and the page reverted back to its previous content. What is the best way to ensure this objective information is added? Rmstonebcs (talk) 14:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, one problem is that some of the content you added is identical to material found on the school's website, here. Another problem is you removed properly sourced negative information. You also appear to have a conflict of interest. Editing the article about your own organisation is strongly discouraged, as it is difficult to maintain the required neutral point of view. According to our terms of use, paid editors and people editing on behalf of their employer are required to disclose their conflict of interest by posting a notice on their user page or talk page. Please read the information about conflict of interest on your user talk page. --Diannaa (talk) 15:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Michael Hennagin

Hi Diannaa. Could you take a look at this edit made to Michael Hennagin? I've already undone the edit per WP:NOTCV, but it also kind of looks like it could've been possibly copied directly from "MacMillan, Duncan; The Piano Music of Michael Hennagin: An Introductory Examination Dissertation, University of Oklahoma, 1987 (Appendix F)". Is there anyway to check to see whether this kind of thing is a copyvio when no url is provided for the source? I tried Googling it since sometimes dissertations end up becoming books or otherwise are published online, but came up empty. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:04, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly, I couldn't find a way to access the document either. But I'm not sure we need to worry about copy vio, as it's a list of compositions. Diannaa (talk) 12:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for looking at this Diannaa. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:02, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Two Witnesses Article

Hello, I see you undid a section I added on the two witnesses as contemporaries. I am the author of the cited dissertation. I was not aware that I had quoted the document so closely. I apologize. I have actually rewritten that section, and I have tried to alter the wording significantly, so that it is not a quotation or plagarization. I will add it in and let you be the judge. Malachirobertson (talk) 13:47, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Please review the our convlict of interest guideline, particularly the section WP:CITESELF. Thanks, --Diannaa (talk) 13:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you pointing this out. I was aware of this and have tried not to cite my work specifically and to not even put it in the references section, but rather highlight the works of others that I found helpful in my own study of the history of the interpretation of the two witnesses. Malachirobertson (talk) 14:00, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
I have had to remove a subsequent addition as it is still too close to the source document.--Diannaa (talk) 23:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Which addition did you remove? Curious. Malachirobertson (talk) 00:00, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
I think I see. It was the section on the witnesses as contemporaries. Any suggestions on how I can make it less like the source, so that this section is not absent from the article? Malachirobertson (talk) 00:08, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
The edit was flagged by the CopyPatrol system. It might help you to view what was found by the detection service in the most recent edit. The report is here. You can check the results from Turnitin by viewing the iThenticate report. In order to review the iThenticate report you will have to first log in to the CopyPatrol system (upper right corner of the page). You will be asked to provide authorization at Meta for access to your account.Next, click on the link to the iThenticate report, so that you can see what was found by the detection service. I think it is at this point you are asked to agree to the terms of use of the Turnitin people, who have kindly donated the use of this tool to Misplaced Pages. The overlapping content will be highlighted (the iThenticate report may take a while to load).The content you add should not include any wording from the source material. Summarize rather than paraphrase, and don't try to include every single detail. This will typically result in the new version being much shorter than the source document. It also helps to have more than one source to draw from. Gotta go, the battery is dying on my laptop so I have to log off now. Diannaa (talk) 00:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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Swami Harshananda

Thank you for dealing with the copyvio revdel on this article. The author has immediately replaced the offending passage - I've marked it again for deletion but strongly suspect she'll just keep putting it back. At what point does page protection come into play? Ingratis (talk) 08:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

The editor's most recent post indicates that they do not yet understand how copyright works. So I've added another message to their talk page. Typically if there's just one person I would do a block before page protection. I will watch the article for a while. -- Diannaa (talk) 11:55, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Ingratis (talk) 12:27, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

How to handle long quotes

I recently noticed a proliferation of long passages presented as quotes. While quotation and attribution is considered an acceptable way of presenting copyrighted material, the Misplaced Pages essay wp:quotations offers some guidance. That guidance has two defects — it's an essay so does not have the force of policy, and it is (understandably) short on specific guidance as to acceptable length.

I've accepted a number of such situations some of which are quite short and therefore in my opinion quite appropriate. Others are longer than I would like but I've accepted them. However this one strikes me as a bit too long (392 words): 1963 Nobel Prize in Literature: Difference between revisions

What are your thoughts on how this should be handled?

As an aside, while this one is not a specific example, I've seen in increased usage of long passages in the quote parameter within a reference. I'm a big fan of using exact passages to support a point made in my own words, but I generally try to excerpt a short a passage as possible. You have any thoughts on whether copyrighted text used in the quote parameter of a reference ought to be handled differently than a quote inserted into the main text of an article? S Philbrick(Talk) 13:47, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

It's true that there's not a lot of specific guidance as to length or number of quotes whether in the article itself or embedded in the citations. Adding quotes to citations seems to be gaining in popularity, too. The guideline Misplaced Pages:Non-free content#Text says "Extensive quotation of copyrighted text is prohibited" but it doesn't specify how much is too much or how many quotes are too many. So it's a judgement call, both within the article and within the citations.Within an article, I usually remove a quote if it's more than one or two sentences, especially if the content could readily be rewritten. Edit summary is typically "remove quotation; there's no reason why original prose could not be prepared". Sometimes I will trim for length if the editor has added an overlong quote from a movie review or book review. If an editor has added an unenlightening adspeak quote from a press release I will typically remove it. Other cases where the article shows an overuse of quotations throughout where the article would kinda be destroyed if I removed it all, I will tag for {{Over-quotation}} and let the interested editors decide what to do. I sometimes use the same tag for over-quotation within citations as well.Regarding quotations within citations: if the subject matter is controversial or the sources are not readily accessible, I will leave it alone. Quotes from readily available web content on material that is not controversial or not likely to be challenged are good candidates for removal, especially if the amount and number and length of quotations is out of proportion to the length of the article. Regarding the Nobel Prize speech, my opinion is that the quotation is too long and not very enlightening, and I would likely remove it and suggest the editor should offer an external link instead. I might try trimming it to a much shorter excerpt if I had the time and thought I could do so in an effective way. Diannaa (talk) 14:34, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the indepth answer. S Philbrick(Talk) 18:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
I use quotations in a limited way to more accurately convey some unique insight from the source that is difficult to paraphrase, and especially for critical assessment of books, movies and the like. My personal rule of thumb is that one or two sentences are fine, three sentences may be OK, and four sentences might be justified in unusual circumstances. I also take into consideration the length of the source. I would never use four sentences from a brief newspaper article, but may occasionally use four sentences from a book or a lengthy journal article.
But my main reason for coming by is to thank you, Diannaa, for all of your outstanding work on copyright issues over the years. I deeply appreciate your expertise. Cullen328 (talk) 20:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind remarks Cullen328, and for adding another perspective on the quotations issue. Diannaa (talk) 20:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
I've noticed a slight increase in footquote reports at CopyPatrol and wonder sometimes "How many are too many quotes" or "How long is too long". I'm not always comfortable at making judgement calls, but leaving the report open and with that leaving more work for others seems also not ideal. Nobody (talk) 14:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
I don't like doing it either; I never know what's going to provoke someone into getting nasty about it. Most times there's no response or at worst they revert me. But hopefully they learn something too. Diannaa (talk) 14:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Io Saturnalia!

Io, Saturnalia!
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Best wishes, --Diannaa (talk) 19:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Revdel request - Hurricane Debby

Hi - there are a couple of edits to this page with offensive Edit Summaries - and - would you be willing to remove them? Thanks! Dorsetonian (talk) 20:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for the suggestion. Diannaa (talk) 20:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Visa requirements for Palestinian citizens

Hi Diannaa ,

Thank you very much for your message it was really insightful.

I need your help in learning how to update the Visa requirements for Palestinian citizens map along with colors and backgrounds when you edit this country can be entered as e-visa or the visa isn't required.

Thanks

Husam.bell (talk) 11:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know how to do the map.Diannaa (talk) 12:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom

Hello Diannaa. I want to propose this to you; restore my edit to the article for at least a few hours. I will fix it to avoid plagiarism and cite even the source you mentioned. If you and your friends are not sure, please look at my edit history and you will see that my edits on the Pablo Escobar article are far from even resembling that page you showed me before. If you have any questions, please reply to me. Regards. JeanMercier90 (talk) 17:15, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I will send you the deleted content via email. Diannaa (talk) 19:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
II just checked my email. There's nothing, not even in spam. JeanMercier90 (talk) 23:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
I have sent it again. Diannaa (talk) 02:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Nothing. Please send to the same but change hotmail by gmail. Thanks. JeanMercier90 (talk) 15:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
I am not able to select the destination of my email; it comes from the Misplaced Pages email system. Check your preferences and see what email address you have selected to receive mail. Diannaa (talk) 19:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Greetings of the season


A Merry Christmas. (Sled with holly)
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Tank you! Best wishes, --Diannaa (talk) 12:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

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