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| == Seasonal greetings :) == | |||
| Hi Jimbo, | |||
| What's happening with DW? He seems to spend ''much'' of his time spreading nasty comments around. I know I can sometimes say 'sharp' things too. But so far recently I've come across deeply outrageous comments abour Deb, Zoe, ErikD and others. My latest receipt is ''Phonies like you who hide behind a computer can pretend to be anything and there are always enough dummies around to buy your load of crap.'' On some pages he ''edits'' he accompanies it with diatribes against others, including telling people that in effect if the previous version was a mark of their intelligence, they should quit Wiki. | |||
| The there is the practical issues of images being downloaded about which there are ''serious'' suspicions that he has breached copyright, but about which he simply won't answer queries or give sources for where the image came from, just another rant against whomever raises the question. ] 01:51 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC) | |||
| :That should be "whoever" -- it's the subject of "raises". -- ] 02:10 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC) | |||
| I'm not hereto be friends and market myself. It's this little "club" here that is keeping this from becoming a good site. Question: If Zoe is going to patrol around, when she sees a better idea why not refer it to the Wiki whatever group instead of destroying it. Invention and product improvement has never in the history of mankind been achieved by closing down new ideas. But, here, Zoe and others see something being done new, better, and with a genuine real effort and immediately put the blinders on saying "Must Wikify" and change what may be a much, much better approach back to something that HAS NOT worked. And, so far, Misplaced Pages has not worked even remotely. | |||
| So, I come along, do a lot of hard work, and demonstrate a better way instead of begging by a written speech that you seem to condone. Why should I have to beg a little group of self-appointed Gods? In business, we embrace creativity and find ways to work with and expand it, not put it down. It is this narrow mindedness combined with a lack of creativity and insight that has prevented Misplaced Pages from improving. EXAMPLE, the moment Ortolan88 (a few months ago) referred to my Famous Canadians site as a "MODEL SITE", all the small minds showed up instantly to totally screw that up. It seems to me you et al don't want to surrender power and aren't open to anyone who might show you that are doing things wrong. What it boils down to is a small group of people whose needs in life have never been met so here they can get control. Got a good idea? WE will decide that, by God! (Reference: 12,683 books on psychology.) Bottom line? Get over it, grow up, and organize properly. The heading, labelling and structure of the so-called Misplaced Pages convention is amateurish, and of such poor design it does nothing but turn away visitors except those who need to join a club....DW, ESQ | |||
| Yep, while I’m writing here they are playing the “you and me game” already. And, what kind of an intellect judges copyright when he is not a lawyer, is not trained, and by his/her comments proves they don’t know what they are talking about. Plus, what turns me off is that they see a good, well-done article with a great effort made to ensure there is a photo (golly, gosh, that’s important to marketing -- amazing revelation) and instead of adding or improving my article (as if they were capable) or creating good new ones, they waste my time with notes and stupid queries….DW | |||
| I don't understand why DW seems insistant on repeating the lie that I'm messing up his wonderful prose. I haven't changed any content of anything he's written, except to clean up the spelling, grammar, and pronunciaton. All I've done is to make the first line of each of his articles a complete sentence and to move the birth and death dates up to the beginning, which is what the Misplaced Pages consensus says biographical articles should have. -- ] | |||
| :Except that you have to be careful with copyright in using images. No marketing professional improves graphic design by breaching copyright. If they did, they'd be sacked on the spot by their company. DW has yet to offer any evidence that his pictures aren't copyrighted, aren't the property of someone else, etc. A number of them look suspiciously like stuff that, because of age and the nature of the image ''are'' covered by copyright, in which case, ''they cannot be used unless full permission has been received''. Zoe had done nothing but correctly lay out pages according to ''agreed rules''. If DW wants to change those rules, he should initiate a discussion and get a consensus, as I have been doing over naming conventions on royalty. But instead, DW stays silent except for personal abuse of anyone who gets in his way. ] 04:00 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC) | |||
| This is my final load because "Jimbo" too appears not to be able to read. What’s to discuss? I work hard, have created many, many articles, ALL of which are well done (I even go around fixing links with spelling variations) and I rarely ever sign in because I don’t need praise. I work on new and existing articles on public computers as well. I contribute and only ask to be left alone, just don’t destroy my hard work WITHOUT THINKING. What I suggested was a new approach: rather than Zoe (or similar) going around changing contributors hard work, (and my dyslexia makes it a lot harder than most), stop, look, and analyze. Maybe what is there is better than the so-called Misplaced Pages consensus. If Zoe thinks it might be better, then consult the group and YOU discuss it. Don’t force a contributor like me to beg you to improve. Be open, look and learn. | |||
| I post articles that I follow up with repeatedly if I notice additional info elsewhere and deliberately use an article to open up a chain of articles. Example: Juliet Bioche led to Three Colors Blue, then White, then Red, then Trintignant, then Jacob, then Kieslowski which led to Powsazki Cemetery to more names in the cemetery etc. etc. etc. What is happening here, is a race to see how many numbers they can chalk up without quality. Seeing the way this site operates, I can guarantee you, that Misplaced Pages’s little clique has not one person who has run a sizeable, successful business, knows anything about marketing, or has any concept on even who Misplaced Pages’s market is. (Test me: put up a page that asks who is the target audience AND then ask if Misplaced Pages is actually targeting them in any way shape or form.) I honestly don’t think anyone here knows the potential and value. | |||
| Here is the fact: Misplaced Pages has been a great success as a study in human behavior but a total failure as an encyclopedia. It does not attract a broad audience or very many people who actually put an effort into making creative “Encyclopedia” articles relative to the Internet market. Example a few minutes ago: H.L. Hunt. Anyone who tunes into this, immediately tunes out. Now that I raised a rukus about quality, a wiseguy does this thinking it’s smart because I had put the name on my page as wanted. That type of behaviour reflects the intellect one must deal with here. And, unfortunately, there are thousands more articles like it yet the “Misplaced Pages” committee can’t come up with a simple message to clearly tell strangers: Sorry, this is a work in progress. (Credibility) | |||
| If you are the one footing the bill for this, then you need to change the approach. You do run a business, don’t you? | |||
| And yes, ban me, but we both know not really. You change your committee to encouraging ideas and improvement, rather than putting them down. I will not beg you to consider new ideas. That system failed years ago but as long as you continue to allow it, then you will go bald scratching your head as to why you aren’t getting better, more dedicated and innovative participation. Did the New York Times recommend this as a great encyclopedic source for the future? Or, did they protect themselves with generalities. | |||
| Change, otherwise, you won’t have to ban me, I’ll leave and then the little clique can chat and be happy keeping things the way they are. | |||
| :It's interesting how it's up to the rest of us to "discuss" how to do things DW's way. -- ] | |||
| ::I'm a relative newbie here, but, from what I've seen of Zoe's edits, she works on the grammar and the clarity, without changing the original intended meaning. No harsh putdowns, or snipey comments, just editing for the better. I recently saw a harsh comment in response to a duplicate article being written. As a site that promotes itself by "come on in, try out the sandbox, and edit immediately" the expectation that all contributors be perfect can be offputting. Not saying that all Wikipedians hold this attitude, but some do, and come across as harsh in the course of editing or commenting on edits. After all, isn't the spirit of Misplaced Pages based on the "work in progress" idea. Why can't all be welcome, even if they might make an error, or don't follow every rule down to the exact letter? Just my $.02. | |||
| If Wiki had so little credibility as a quality source, why do some universities have their post-grads review articles on topics of their area of expertise? Why when I was seeking some information from a couple of press offices of organisations (bigger than anything DW has ever associated with, I suspect) for information for some Wiki pages, were those organisations ''already aware'' of Wiki and impressed by it? If DW stopped shouting at people and started working with people, he might have an interesting contribution to make. So far I haven't seen anything from DW that is unique, special, well researched or particularly full of insight. ] 04:18 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC) | |||
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| Hey Jimbo. Thank you for your great work. But I suggest you let the nasty boy go on. Bitchers like '''dw''' don't bother me very much. They merely want attention that they don't really deserve. Otherwise, they're minor disturbances in '''the force'''. :-). I almost wish people (unlike me! I was too tempted) would simply ignore the ignorant fools. (and i'm very sorry that ] has become a forum about this idiot.) | |||
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| COPY of my note to ZOE: ''Oh Great Godess, controller of heaven, the earth and Misplaced Pages. What kind of moronic, idiotic, stupidity did you use to '''remove''' the name of the portrait of ]. Is this kind of ignorance part of the "Misplaced Pages Consensus" that you ONLY do because they tell you to? Don't think so. As I already said, you are going around screwing up articles posted by people who know what they are talking about. I repeat: Please stop. What you in fact did to Modigliani, and others I suspect, is in fact vandalism !...DW ESQ cc: Jimbo whoever'' | |||
| Mr. Wales: Is this how you want Misplaced Pages to work? Why would anyone work so hard as I did on Modigliani (and all my other many, many Montparnasse related articles except for the 2 or 3 lousy ones by other people that I was going to fix) if you are going to AUTHORIZE a committee of people to tear down extensive, VALID hard work? Modigliani is one damn good article. If others grew up, stopped playing games and trying to get control, Misplaced Pages just might attract people who will work hard to create valid articles. But, they sure won't if their hard work is destroyed by appoved ignorance....DW | |||
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| '''Hello Jimbo Wales, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this ]. Spread the ] by wishing another user a ] and a ], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. <br />Happy editing,'''<br /> | |||
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| DW, take a deep breath and relax. I am very open to new ideas, I don't want you to beg and plead for anything, I welcome innovative new approaches, and I actually think that most of your suggestions are good. There is just exactly ONE problem: your rudeness is completely unacceptable. | |||
| |}<span id="Benison:1734890634947:User_talkFTTCLNJimbo_Wales" class="FTTCmt">— Benison <small>(] · ])</small> 18:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</span> | |||
| You're trying to convince me to change, and yet you write, on my user page, that "Jimbo, too, appears not to be able to read." Jeez, come on man, that's just mean, and for what purpose? | |||
| Again, I say to you: you have a lot to say about marketing, and I think your ideas about that are important and relevant. But if you wish to see the results you want, if you want people to act, then you need to think about how you are marketing <i>your</i> ideas. If you market them in a way that turns rational and thoughtful people off, then you won't succeed. And what's the point of that? | |||
| I invite you to join the mailing list and air your grievances there. And I invite you to continue with innovative and thoughtful work on the wikipedia. But, if you keep insulting people, I will ban you and that will be that. | |||
| Do not insult people. Period. It's a very simple rule. Follow it, and everything will be fine. Fail to follow it, and we'll have to part company in sorrow. | |||
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| :"Do not insult people. Period. It's a very simple rule. Follow it." Darn. What a good clarification. You should add it to the main page. I'll (from now on) follow it (although I've not always done so before). ] 14:52 Jan 27, 2003 (UTC) | |||
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| Hmm. is this a bug? I just edited ] and found the article empty before my addition. The history link, however, implies that there was text there before my editing. I deleted nothing however, and hope no one thinks i did. | |||
| ] 15:21 Jan 27, 2003 (UTC) | |||
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| ] has posted a defamatory ''per se'' remark about me on ]. I have demanded a retraction from him, but I also ask that the Misplaced Pages post a message dissociating itself from his tortious conduct and, thus, from any legal action it may engender. I would think the Village Pump would be the place for it, with a link from the Binoche talk page, but that's merely a suggestion. Please believe I will NOT hurt this project, no matter what I may do about Tarquin, even if it doesn't make such a disclaimer. -- ] 02:39 Feb 1, 2003 (UTC) | |||
| : Jimbo, I'm not sure what all this is about. -- ] 14:10 Feb 1, 2003 (UTC) | |||
| From his latest message to me on ], Tarquin has apparently decided to try to bluff his way out of the bind he has put himself in, but what he's doing is digging his hole deeper. I would really prefer to settle this dispute (and I mean a formal legal settlement) than have him goad me into suing him, so would you (or your lawyers) be willing to take a crack at explaining to him why he would really like to find a more reasonable position that trying to prove (in court here in Delaware) that "''all'' photos are copyright"? I'd really appreciate it, and I respectfully suggest it would be good for the Misplaced Pages for users to understand what kind of consequences can result from ill-considered postings here, as well as clarifying that there are few, if any, photos that can't be used in articles without infringing any copyright. -- ] 11:46 Feb 2, 2003 (UTC) | |||
| I simply don't understand why Isis thinks she was libelled, and why she focus on Tarquin. He's not the only one who disagrees with her interpretation. | |||
| ] 12:10 Feb 2, 2003 (UTC) | |||
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| Isis seems to forget, or never to have learn some important facts about libel. She seems, in my humble opinion, to be using libel chill to prevent fair comment. | |||
| * frivilous law suits are routinly thrown out. | |||
| * libel damages are often uncollectable. (That's why only people or corporations with money are targetted for libel law suits. Injsurance companies often settle out of court to reduce their cost) | |||
| * often defence can be agressive against the value of the reputation.( Libel suits have a habit of blowing up in the face of litigants.) | |||
| Let me put a chill on libel chill: Tarquin's best responce to a law suit would be to defend himself with the help of POACh.org. Does that possibility embarass Isis? It should. I am sure that before she proceeds she will seek legal advice: after all only a fool would hire themselves as a lawyer. | |||
| For what its worth and what lesson can be learned. ] | |||
| :Well, I wouldn't be too worried about any threat of a lawsuit: | |||
| ::IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF DELAWARE | |||
| ::IN THE MATTER OF A MEMBER OF THE BAR OF THE STATE OF DELAWARE: | |||
| ::K. KAY SHEARIN | |||
| ::§ No. 178, 2000 | |||
| ::§ Board Case No. 10, 1998 | |||
| ::Submitted: March 2, 2001 | |||
| ::Decided: May 9, 2001 | |||
| ::Before WALSH, HOLLAND and BERGER, Justices. | |||
| ::Disciplinary Proceeding Upon Final Report of the Board on Professional Responsibility of the Supreme Court. Respondent Suspended. | |||
| ::Joseph M. Bernstein, Esquire, Wilmington, Delaware, for Respondent. | |||
| ::Mary S. Much, Esquire, of Office of Disciplinary Counsel, Wilmington, Delaware. | |||
| ::PER CURIAM | |||
| ::This opinion involves the sanction phase of our appellate review in a disciplinary proceeding regarding the Respondent, K. Kay Shearin. In our initial disposition, we affirmed the Board on Professional Responsibility’s judgment that the alleged ethical violations had been established by clear and convincing evidence. | |||
| == Old edits to your user page retrieved, your very early edits, etc. == | |||
| ::Before determining the appropriate sanction, however, this Court “concluded that it would be helpful, in deciding upon an appropriate sanction, to have a professional assessment of Shearin’s mental state.” That offer was respectfully declined by the Respondent. | |||
| Hi Jimmy, I've moved your user page edits from their previous location at "Jimbo Wales" to {{noredirect|User:Jimbo Wales/old2}} with ], so they're no longer in the main namespace; the title "{{noredirect|User:Jimbo Wales/old}}" was ]. I then imported edits to your user page from some 2001 database dumps, most notably the one from August 2001, so we can now see ]! I hope this is all OK with you. | |||
| ::APPROPRIATE SANCTION | |||
| ::In this opinion, we will begin our analysis by recounting the standards and contentions that are already extant in this proceeding. The exclusive authority to impose sanctions for attorney misconduct is vested in this Court. The guidelines for the imposition of sanctions are well-established. They are not designed to be either punitive or penal. The relevant factors to consider in determining an appropriate sanction are: (1) the nature of the duty violated; (2) the lawyer’s mental state; (3) the actual/potential injury caused by the misconduct; and (4) the existence of aggravating and mitigating circumstances. | |||
| It's a long story how I ended up doing this. So ] is celebrating a milestone of 20% of our biographical articles being about women. In the ], a ] about who was the first woman to get a biographical entry here]]. I was able to give a ] of ] on ]! I've been spending the last couple of days checking the very early edits of the first biographies created around that time, and came upon ] (or ThomasEdison as it was at first in CamelCase). In the process of consolidating the Thomas Edison page history, I moved your edit from "ThomasEdison" to "Thomas Edison"; your early edit to that page on 23 January (UTC) was previously listed as the first one but ]. | |||
| ::Shearin’s attorney points out that “although the Petition alleged violations of separate provisions of the DLRPC, all of the allegations which the Board found to have established arose from a common nucleus of facts – the substantive content of the Shearin Lawsuit that was filed in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, which was ultimately dismissed.” He argues that a public reprimand is the most appropriate sanction because Shearin did not knowingly violate the Delaware Lawyers Rules of Professional Responsibility. The Office of Disciplinary Counsel argues that a three-year suspension is the appropriate sanction because Shearin’s “statements to the Board clearly reflect that she does not recognize the wrongfulness of her conduct.” | |||
| As noted in various places like ], your first surviving edit under the username "JimboWales" was to the ThomasEdison (or Thomas Edison) page. I checked the August 2001 database dump for any earlier ones, found them, and imported to the English Misplaced Pages database. Of course you made earlier edits, but it's interesting to find early contributions attached to your username (in CamelCase form or otherwise). ] (]) 15:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::The Court has also looked for guidance to the ABA Standards for Imposing Lawyer Sanctions. The Board on Professional Responsibility recommends that the Respondent be suspended for three years from the date of its report, April 19, 2000.7 The Respondent was previously suspended for one year beginning on January 1, 1999. Since the Respondent has not petitioned for reinstatement, she remains suspended from the practice of law. Consequently, the Respondent has been suspended for almost two and one-half years. | |||
| :Such nerdy presents we give. Thanks, brother. ] (]) 16:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::SUSPENSION IMPOSED | |||
| ::No worries. My Christmas gifts are ], as I realised later. ] (]) 05:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::We have concluded that a period of suspension for three years is appropriate. As in Shearin I, the record in Shearin II reflects a pattern of unethical conduct, and demonstrates a complete disregard for her responsibilities as an officer of this Court. In our view, however, given the interrelationship between the present and the prior ethical violations, the periods of Shearin’s present and prior suspensions should run concurrently. | |||
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| ::Therefore, we hold that for the ethical violations set forth in Shearin II, K. Kay Shearin shall be prohibited and suspended from engaging in the practice of law for a period of three years. That period of suspension will commence on January 1, 1999 and end upon her reinstatement, for which application may be made after January 1, 2002. This period of suspension shall be subject to the same terms and conditions originally set forth in Shearin I. This opinion shall be disseminated by the Office of Disciplinary Counsel in accordance with the Rules of the Board on Professional Responsibility. | |||
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Hello Jimbo Wales, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages. |
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Old edits to your user page retrieved, your very early edits, etc.
Hi Jimmy, I've moved your user page edits from their previous location at "Jimbo Wales" to User:Jimbo Wales/old2 with a little assistance, so they're no longer in the main namespace; the title "User:Jimbo Wales/old" was already taken. I then imported edits to your user page from some 2001 database dumps, most notably the one from August 2001, so we can now see the first version of your user page on 19 January 2001 (UTC)! I hope this is all OK with you.
It's a long story how I ended up doing this. So WikiProject Women in Red is celebrating a milestone of 20% of our biographical articles being about women. In the draft press release about this event, a question was raised about who was the first woman to get a biographical entry here]]. I was able to give a definitive answer of Rosa Parks on 21 January 2001 (UTC)! I've been spending the last couple of days checking the very early edits of the first biographies created around that time, and came upon Thomas Edison (or ThomasEdison as it was at first in CamelCase). In the process of consolidating the Thomas Edison page history, I moved your edit from "ThomasEdison" to "Thomas Edison"; your early edit to that page on 23 January (UTC) was previously listed as the first one but not any more.
As noted in various places like this discussion, your first surviving edit under the username "JimboWales" was to the ThomasEdison (or Thomas Edison) page. I checked the August 2001 database dump for any earlier ones, found them, and imported all of them to the English Misplaced Pages database. Of course you made earlier edits, but it's interesting to find early contributions attached to your username (in CamelCase form or otherwise). Graham87 (talk) 15:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Such nerdy presents we give. Thanks, brother. BusterD (talk) 16:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- No worries. My Christmas gifts are so predictable, as I realised later. Graham87 (talk) 05:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
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