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	I did indeed state the reason in the Talk Page. I removed Nick Cohen's name, as he has stated explicitly that he is not Jewish. I assume that he was included because someone took it for granted that anyone named Cohen is Jewish. And it does not appear to me that you have reverted the removal, or made any comment on the talk page. ] 18:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

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	you latest text is not NPOV. ] 20:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
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	: It is perfectly NPOV. I quoted the gist and the conclusion of an article in Ha'Aretz. And the quote you imply I deliberately left out repeats "Arab children will not benefit, but Haredi children will". If you have a problem with this, take it up with Ha'Aretz, not with me.] 21:34, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

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	::Selective quotes is not NPOV. Placing an encdote on lead section is not NPOV. Edit warring to over come the objections of other editors is a violation of policy. wordfs you used that are not in haharetz are not NPOV. shall I go on. You are trying to push your political agenda to the top of an encyclopedia article. Violation of ] ] 09:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

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	:::Please reread the Ha'Arretz article and my extract from it, and tell me a) which words I used that are not in the article; b) how the sense of the article differs from what I quoted.] 09:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::: As you spend time in wikipedia you will find that those who bleat loudest about "NPOV issues" are prewcisely those who seek to promote their onw POV hardest. Check out ]'s contributions before you ]. ] 22:39, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

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	Re your mail: see ] for your reverts ] 08:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

	: Like I say, you want to talk, talk here. But I checked the links on the 3RR page... it looks valid to me. Maybe read the rules? ] 08:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

	:: Please check again. I edited the article, to introduce new information and correct stylistic errors. It was reverted three times by edirtors who I believe to be acting in concert. I reverted twice only. I then edited to remove an unrelated comment. The final edit was to add just part of my original edit; the true, and documented, statement that "East Jerusalem was illegally annexed by Israel in 1980". I note that this has now been edited by a further editor, to remove the word "illegal", which is used explicitly in the UN document which I cited. I have read the rules, and I don't believe that I violated 3RR.] 09:13, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

	::: Sigh. I suppose I'll have to spoon-feed you. The rules clearly state that unrelated reverts count. So removing the unrelated comment counts. As does restoring only part of your edit ] 15:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

	::I don't appreciate your condescending tone, and I really don't understand. The unrelated edit was not a revert. You seem to suggest that three separate, unrelated, edits to an article would lead to blocking. But the policy clearly states "if an editor makes three separate successive edits, each of which reverts a different section, but with no intervening edits by other editors, this is counted as one revert". Thus my removal of one comment, which I had previously not edited, and my addition of another within half an hour should not be counted as two reverts. These were separate, unrelated, edits.] 22:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

	::: This is boring, you have forgotten ''but with no intervening edits by other editors'' ] 07:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

	==Help please==

	Hi Roland. I reformulated the election issue incoporating the information from the article you provided. Isarig has reverted my edits citing a bunch of non-sequiter stuff I can't really follow. Would you mind looking at the previous version and editing it appropriately (if it needs such editing)? Additionally, I would appreciate your insight on the discussion on the talk page. Thanks. ] 11:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

	Dear RolandR. Thanks so much for your message and help in locating sources. I scanned the document you sent in Hebrew (though I have to admit, my Hebrew skills are rather poor, since I studied at the university level in North America in English). So I defeinitely would appreciate a translation of the relevant sections. By the way, I love your user page (content and design wise!) ] 13:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

	Hi RolandR. I noticed the discussion above and thought I might share my experiences with you. Check out the discussion on 3RR at this page: . Thanks again for your posts. ] 14:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

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	Hi, I have seen that you are using the ] extension. This program is no longer actively maintained in favor of its much more powerful successor ''']'''.

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	Thanks Cacycle. I had some difficulty installing it over the previous editor, and eventually had to remove that first and then install wikiEd. It seems to be OK now, I look forward to trying it out. It certainly looks a lot friendlier and easier to use than the old editor. --] 12:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

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	Hi, for the record I don't think Plaut's email about the address list is particularly encyclopedic, and the source (copy of mailing list posting) doesn't seem to satisfy the guidelines at ]. I have no doubt it is true, but rules are rules. It would be different if the episode was published in a recognised magazine. --]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 00:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

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	== David Bukay ==

	Roland, I strongly urge you to read ] and ], and consider in particular the implications of the latter for your editing on ]. Also, plagiarism is unacceptable on Misplaced Pages. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 21:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
	:I have read it, and I don't see the relevance to my edits of ]. I note the statement that "the BLP policy that he cites in defense of his position specifically states that if an allegation or incident is notable, relevant, and well-documented by reliable published sources, it belongs in the article — even if it's negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it", and would suggest that this reflects on those who are removing the materia;l that I have added. And I really don't understand the allegation of plagiarism. I am quoting and acknowledging sources; if you think this is plagiarism, then nearly every Misplaced Pages editor is guilty in nearly every article.--] 23:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

	:I can't find a Misplaced Pages policy statement on plagiarism. However, I think we all know what it is. To quote ], "Plagiarism is the practice of 'dishonestly' claiming or implying original authorship of material which one has not actually created, such as when a person incorporates material from someone else's work into their own work without attributing it". I have been meticulous in my citation of sources, and the accusation of plagiarism is simply a red herring, raised in order to remove unpalatable quotations from the article.--] 00:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

	You copied large sections of text without in any way indicating you were quoting a source. More fundamentally, you created an biography which is essentially nothing more than an attack article on Bukay. As it is, the article is 70% negative - you have cherry picked what you consider to be his most radical and outrageous views, and solely quoted them in the "Views" section, while not providing him any forum for promoting his own version of his views. was even worse, and, frankly, would have constituted a blocking offense had I not cleaned it up a little for you. The Rachel Marsden case hinged on '''The typical negatively biased version of Rachel Marsden contains elaborate negative information, but very little positive or neutral information.''' Take a very careful look at the ] article now. Look at the history as well. Is that the fate you are hoping for for the ] article? If I were you, I'd accept an article that is only 70% negative, and not insist it needs to be 80% negative. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 01:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

	:Of course I indicated that I was quoting. The passage started "According to the Arab Association for Human Rights", and the quotes were in quotation marks. What else was I supposed to do -- write it in a funny accent? I honestly can't see why you thought my previous version was worse, and as you will see I have retained all of your changes, except the removal of the alleged statements in class. In fact, I don't think I have removed any pro-Bukay comments from the article -- though I have several times deleted vandalism by malicious editors who have added derogatory comments about me to the main text.

	:By the way, I didn't create the article. I noticed that it existed, yet did not even mention the controversy around his views. It was surely legitimate and necessary to add this material. --] 09:31, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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	Try warning users before putting them up on the ] page. It is not always prudent to believe that they are sockpuppets. In case you want to ascertain if they are; go to ] and present the evidence. The sockpuppets would be blocked. Best regards, — ]<span class="plainlinks"> </span> 13:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

	:Of course I accept your advice, and would act this way in normal citcumstances. I did in fact post a vandalism warning, though not for 3RR, on the relevant userpage. The reason I assumed sockpuppetry was because the behaviour exacrtly mirrored that of several confirmed and blocked sockpuppets; see ] ] 13:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

	== User RanceRol ==

	Looks like you-know-who is back as user ]. Shall be blocked. --]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 10:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

	:Thanks Zero. Can you also block ]. Obviously set up as an attack on genuine ], and making the same edits as Rancerol.--] 10:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

	:: Done. --]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 11:17, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

	:::There was yet another one taken care of this morning . Regards, ] 10:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
	::::I really don´t envy you this situation, and I´m lucky in that I have never encountered the same. I don´t have any good suggestions, but I think you can note that it did not take many minutes before this last version was blocked. And the more people get to be aware about him/her, the better. I would suggest that you collect all the information you have on a subpage, ( I see that Jayjg has done that on a couple, see here: ). Then somebody "new" to the situation will quickly get the picture. Best of luck to you, regards, ] 14:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC) PS: it only took 2 minutes from I reported it on ] to all edits were reverted and s/he was banned; that´s not bad!

	== Ilan Pappé ==

	You have declined the request to semi-protect ], on the grounds that "There is not enough recent activity to justify protection at this time." I think you should look at the logs for the now-protected ], ], and ], and if possible at the deleted logs for ], and reconsider. The latest edits were clearly made by the same person/people, using the same language and accusations. We can be certain that this page will continue to be vandalised in the same libellous way until it is protected, when the culprit/s will move on to attack another anti-Zionist Jew. Why wait for the inevitable recurrence of vandalism before acting? If the article is semi-protected, established bona fide editors will still be able to edit it, but the string of disposable accounts set up in order to carry out such attacks will be stymied. ] 02:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

	:I don't think semi-protection is necessary. The problematic user(s) has/have been blocked. -- ''']''' 03:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

	:: And the same libellous and disruptive edit has now been made by ]. This will keep happening until the article is protected.--] 15:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

	:::I have blocked the user as a suspected sockpuppet and semi-protected the article. -- ''']''' 15:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

	==Friend and Comrade==

	Hello, I am realtively new to wikipedia, but it's nice to meet someone who isn't a mad Pro-Zionist at Misplaced Pages. I have already left a message at Abu-ali's talk page and I suggested to him that those of us who want to counter the Pro-Israel bias at wikipedia need to stick together. I have been involved in a highly contentious battle with Isarig on the second intifada for the past few days. I disputed a number that said that the number of non-combatants killed on the Israelie side was 77% where as the number of Palestinians non-combatants killed was only 36%. Like you I was banned for a while by William Connelly, who from your correspondence above seems very rude and nasty.

	At the moment I seem to be winning on the Intifada article, but I wondered if you had anything you could contribute to this article to help me rebute Isarig and the others.
	] 18:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

	== Re: Serial vandalism ==

	I'll look into this, some. We have a variety of tools at our disposal -- picking a particular set would depend on the situation. I'll check out the accounts listed in those prior checkuser requests, and see if I can build up an ] and figure where to go from there. If there's anything you think I should know, feel free; mainly, right now, I need to figure out their habits and patterns. ] 00:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
	:Alrighty -- for the time being, I've put in a request at ]. I've put in a word with some of the people on ] about this (myself included), and done some other things ], so hopefully we'll catch onto this more quickly, if they return. Will see if there's anything more for me to do, at this point. In the meantime, feel free to let me know if I'm missing any such abuse, or if there's anything else I should know. You shouldn't have to put up with abuse of this sort, under any circumstances. ] 01:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

	== Isarig ==

	Have a look at ]. What do you think? ] 20:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

	== Gilad Atzmon ==
	What makes you think that ] is GA himself? ] 16:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
	:Thanks. I agree with your analysis. ] 00:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	I was just leaving a block message at this page, when something odd happened; when I checked the history I discovered that I'd overridden you edit in an edit conflict (possibly because I Previewed and then Saved?). However, your edit consisted of blanking the Talk page in order to replace it with a vandalism warning. Why? --] (]) 21:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

	:I appreciate your feelings, but I think that blanking a Talk page is a bad idea in general, and especially when it also removes an earlier warning. If you need any help dealing with him, though, I'll do my best. --] (]) 22:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

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