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== Request to merge "megasonic cleaning" into "ultrasonic cleaning"? ==
There have been discussions in several places on the structure of some subcategories in ]. Specifically, we are concerned with basic, general, and introductory phsysics articles. There is already a quite populated ], which probably gives a good overview of the most rudimental physics topics to the layman; so there is probably no point in changing it. During the big cleanup in May ] was created and populated by articles that were in the top level ] and didn't fit too well anywhere else. This category was then largely unpopulated and recently emptied and seems to have lost its purpose. Now there is the question whether we are actually in need of a new, similar category, which might be named ] and would group together basic (fundamental) articles, such as ], ], ], ], ], ], ], and so forth, which are now somewhat disperssed among various physics categories (please notice the difference between ''general'' and ''basic''). If there is more positive feedback for this idea, we can either rename the existing ] or delete it and create a new one. The is also an idea about making something like ], which would encompass the mathematical concepts used in physics. ] 11:28, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC) <small>Note: This is a summary of the posts found in ], ], and ].</small>


I recently joined Misplaced Pages and my first suggested edit was to ]. My guess is that this article would belong better as a subsection of the article on ]. The help article ] suggested that I draw some attention to it, since the article is a bit obscure.<!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 07:55, March 30, 2024 (UTC)</small>
:I think things like tensors should be in mathematics categories, but it would be great if they would contain some physics examples. Otherwise we're going to have to make 2 articles about every applied mathematical thingy. Also because one of the things that is seriously lacking from mathematics articles is good motivation and intuition-stimulation I think we should cooperate more.--] 14:52, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)


== White dwarf at FAR ==
::I think ] would be easily confused in purpose with ]. Since you used the word fundamental, I think that ] would be more appropriate as it makes clear that the topics aren't necessarily basic in the sense of simple.


I have nominated ] for a ]. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the ]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are ].<!--Template:FARMessage--> ] (]) 14:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
::I'm sure that physics students looking here would appreciate a ] or some such category to cluster all the things we use everyday but don't own. --] | ] 05:56, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)


== ] ==
:::Wild idea here - what if there was a ] (or something suitably similar) that contained a lot of redirects to math pages. Of course, if that happened, it would be nice if those math pages contained physical examples.--] 09:57, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)


I found this obscure article ] thinking it was going to be about electroamagnetism or a best a generelization of fluid dynamics theorems to different areas of physics, or even generalizations into complex analysis. However I just found neurobiology explanations. Should this article be renamed into something neurobiology related? Should it be kept or deleted? What do you think? ] (]) 13:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:My suggestion is similar to what has been written above. We need to separate the introductory concepts, which should be accessible to a lay person, from the basic concepts, which generally are not. For example, you can talk about ]s without talking about ]s. I also think we only need two categories, ] and ]; general topics can be left on the main ] page..--] 09:57, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)


:I responded at ] which I think is a better choice for a discussion. ] (]) 14:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, you put it very clear - the introductory topics should be differentiated from the fundamental ones. For starters, I would identify fundamental topics (looking at ]) as: ], ], ], ], ], and so on. So it seems we have a group of people that agree on this point. My mixed feelings remain only as to whether some of these articles should actually not appear in ]; after all, not much will be left... ] 21:52, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
:Now at ].--] (]) 17:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)


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== Lead of ] ==
Some time has passed, so I nominated ] for deletion. Everyone intersted please see ]. ] June 28, 2005 20:12 (UTC)


The IP at ] seemed to bring up a good point, should the lead paragraph of ] read {{xt|] and energy may also be converted to one another}} instead of {{xt|] and energy may also be converted to one another}}? <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 23:20, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
== World Year of Physics ==


:Having found the ], I've decided to cross my fingers and be bold pending broader approval. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 23:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
I suppose I finally have an appropriate place to ask people to look at ]. I had originally thought it'd be a great idea to have it up to featured standard by the end of the year, but it hasn't really attracted any other editors recently and I feel like without feedback of other editors I may have taken it in a wrong direction (right now it mostly summarizes ]). So take a look if you're interested. --] | ] 15:21, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)


:: That statement started out bad, and that in no way improved it. It perpetuates the layman's misconception that anything is "converted" into or from energy: energy simply changes form (it is strictly conserved), and mass is just a manifestation of energy. I'll take a look at rewording it. —] 00:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
== new subpage ==
:::Thank you. My goal was to avoid making it more annoying to fix! <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 00:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I just had a look, and to my surprise in the whole article there is only one mention of ], with zero useful information, none of ] or ] and there are 11 of ]. That seems a bit unbalanced to me. ] (]) 02:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: Good observation. This would need a subject matter expert (presumably with a chemistry background) to improve. —] 16:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)


== Is X17 real enough? ==
As there were voices that ] is unsuitable in the article namespace, I've moved the physics section to the subpage ]. --] 15:08, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC)


There is a stub page ] which is currently justified based upon the discovery of the ]; created by a relatively new user on Dec 2nd and I tagged it as part of ]. I am skeptical about the Attila page, particularly as the editor (@]) added today a misrepresentation of a CNN article (which I corrected). I don't know enough about HEP to know if the simple route of redirecting the Attila page to the X17 page is the right course, I think there are others here who have forgotten more about HEP than I know. (The X17 page itself may also be an issue.) ] (]) 14:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:That list is not exclusively about bogus physics theories. Even if it was I wouldn't want it associated with physics in any way. Please remove that again. The physics portal is not the place for it. --] 17:49, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)


:I happen to have visited Atomki. They still believe in the X17 particle. Nobody else does, though. ] (]) 15:28, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:<s>Yes, please remove this list. Above all, WikiProjects are not intended to host subject articles, including original research. ] 18:56, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)</s>
::People want to believe anything these days. The fact that we have a B-class ] article shows how scientists and non-scientists are desperate to believe in something revolutionary independently of the data. Aside from ranting: I do not know what to draw from this, but Misplaced Pages golden rule is: if notable sources cover it, it is worth it.--] (]) 15:36, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Right, whether it's "real" or not is not the test. We have articles on all sorts of things that don't actually exist. --] (]) 01:25, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: We may have an ]-] editor who does not seem to be interested in interaction, including ] (including on biographical articles). Would this be a case of ]? Their talk page seems to be a testament to this. —] 15:48, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Let's not jump that quickly. Everyone has to learn, the account was created in Aug 2024 so some errors is not unusual. I reverted the latest and sent a specific level 1 warning. Hopefully they will respond appropriately. If not then a level 2 warning then protection if needed. Be gentle to the newbie! ] (]) 16:13, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::: I'm glad that there are people around who are wiser and more patient than I am :) —] 18:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Wiser....nah. ] (]) 18:26, 7 December 2024 (UTC)


== Nobel laureates in physics by nationality? ==
::Ugh. multiple problems with this list. 1) some of the theories are pure crackpot, e.g. timecube. 2) some of the topics are highly speculative but academically acceptable (possible changes in fine structure const, etc.) 3) some topics which are records of historical fiascos (]) or were once taken seriously but are not any more (]). ] 19:56, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)


A section called "Nobel laureates in physics by nationality" was added to ]. Is this section notable? See ] ] (]) 00:11, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Of course, most of these theories are pure crackpot. For this reason, they are on the list. And the list is here, so that we can watch, what's going on there. Isn't the task of WikiProject Physics to ensure the correct presentation of physics in Misplaced Pages? --] 20:10, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC)


== ] content issue ==
:::And BTW, ] is leaking out of its article. I've just spotted it in ]. What's your opinion on that? --]


@] and I have agreed on a change. @] has reverted us both. Please help us resolve this on
:::: I think that it would be desirable for part of the wikiproj to be helping keep dodgy psuedoscience in check. So if the list could be restructured to contain *only* the wacko psuedoscience, and a suitable header put on, would that be OK? ] 21:20, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC).
] ] (]) 18:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)


== Good article reassessment for ] ==
::: The way you guys put it makes it sound reasonable :) that is to have such a repository for monitoring pseudophysics topics. ] 23:41, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 17:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)


=="{{noredirect|failed star}}"==
:The list should be split into the different categories that linas identified. List 1) shouldn't be part of this project. What we need to keep in check is what is supposed to be physics and what is not. The other two lists would be very welcome. --] 10:34, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
FYI {{la|failed star}} has been nominated for deletion -- ] (]) 21:40, 18 December 2024 (UTC)


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== 1941 Reich-Einstein experiment ==


This was posted on ] but it mostly also related to physics:
Has anybody a reference and quote what Einstein said about the ]? Reich's view and those of the "over unity researchers" are already presented. --] June 30, 2005 08:19 (UTC)

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Request to merge "megasonic cleaning" into "ultrasonic cleaning"?

I recently joined Misplaced Pages and my first suggested edit was to Megasonic cleaning. My guess is that this article would belong better as a subsection of the article on Ultrasonic cleaning. The help article Help:Introduction_to_talk_pages/All suggested that I draw some attention to it, since the article is a bit obscure.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielittlewood (talk • contribs) 07:55, March 30, 2024 (UTC)

White dwarf at FAR

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Current sources and sinks

I found this obscure article Current sources and sinks thinking it was going to be about electroamagnetism or a best a generelization of fluid dynamics theorems to different areas of physics, or even generalizations into complex analysis. However I just found neurobiology explanations. Should this article be renamed into something neurobiology related? Should it be kept or deleted? What do you think? ReyHahn (talk) 13:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I responded at Talk:Current sources and sinks which I think is a better choice for a discussion. Ldm1954 (talk) 14:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Now at Talk:Current source density analysis.--ReyHahn (talk) 17:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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Lead of Energy

The IP at WP:RFED seemed to bring up a good point, should the lead paragraph of Energy read mass and energy may also be converted to one another instead of matter and energy may also be converted to one another? Remsense ‥ 论 23:20, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Having found the original diff, I've decided to cross my fingers and be bold pending broader approval. Remsense ‥ 论 23:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
That statement started out bad, and that in no way improved it. It perpetuates the layman's misconception that anything is "converted" into or from energy: energy simply changes form (it is strictly conserved), and mass is just a manifestation of energy. I'll take a look at rewording it. —Quondum 00:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. My goal was to avoid making it more annoying to fix! Remsense ‥ 论 00:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
I just had a look, and to my surprise in the whole article there is only one mention of free energy, with zero useful information, none of enthalpy or Gibbs free energy and there are 11 of entropy. That seems a bit unbalanced to me. Ldm1954 (talk) 02:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Good observation. This would need a subject matter expert (presumably with a chemistry background) to improve. —Quondum 16:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Is X17 real enough?

There is a stub page Attila Krasznahorkay which is currently justified based upon the discovery of the X17 particle; created by a relatively new user on Dec 2nd and I tagged it as part of WP:NPP. I am skeptical about the Attila page, particularly as the editor (@Vazulvonal of Stockholm) added today a misrepresentation of a CNN article (which I corrected). I don't know enough about HEP to know if the simple route of redirecting the Attila page to the X17 page is the right course, I think there are others here who have forgotten more about HEP than I know. (The X17 page itself may also be an issue.) Ldm1954 (talk) 14:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

I happen to have visited Atomki. They still believe in the X17 particle. Nobody else does, though. Tercer (talk) 15:28, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
People want to believe anything these days. The fact that we have a B-class LK-99 article shows how scientists and non-scientists are desperate to believe in something revolutionary independently of the data. Aside from ranting: I do not know what to draw from this, but Misplaced Pages golden rule is: if notable sources cover it, it is worth it.--ReyHahn (talk) 15:36, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Right, whether it's "real" or not is not the test. We have articles on all sorts of things that don't actually exist. --Trovatore (talk) 01:25, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
We may have an edit-warring editor who does not seem to be interested in interaction, including omitted or improper edit comments (including on biographical articles). Would this be a case of inadequate interactive competence? Their talk page seems to be a testament to this. —Quondum 15:48, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Let's not jump that quickly. Everyone has to learn, the account was created in Aug 2024 so some errors is not unusual. I reverted the latest and sent a specific level 1 warning. Hopefully they will respond appropriately. If not then a level 2 warning then protection if needed. Be gentle to the newbie! Ldm1954 (talk) 16:13, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm glad that there are people around who are wiser and more patient than I am :) —Quondum 18:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Wiser....nah. Ldm1954 (talk) 18:26, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Nobel laureates in physics by nationality?

A section called "Nobel laureates in physics by nationality" was added to Nobel Prize in Physics. Is this section notable? See Talk:Nobel_Prize_in_Physics#Nobel_laureates_in_physics_by_nationality Johnjbarton (talk) 00:11, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Principle of locality content issue

@ReyHahn and I have agreed on a change. @Tercer has reverted us both. Please help us resolve this on Talk:Principle_of_locality#Fixing_an_issue_in_the_QM_section. Johnjbarton (talk) 18:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Noctilucent cloud

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"failed star"

FYI Failed star (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:40, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Notices of the American Mathematical Society article on Misplaced Pages editing.

This was posted on WT:MATH but it mostly also related to physics:

Johnjbarton (talk) 19:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Fizeau experiment

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Nomination of Gravitomagnetic for deletion

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