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== New NBA categories ==
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While I have questions if these categories should even exist, the newly-created categories ] and ] need criteria for inclusion added. For example, should it only be for players on the playoff roster? Probably. Thoughts? ] (]) 20:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
== Basketball Reference links ==


:At minimum they would have to be contracted to the team, i.e. not players who were waived or traded away during the season. For instance, ] and ] were not on their teams playoffs roster but are considered NBA champions. ] (]) 20:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
FYI: I went to Wikidata to add rookie ]'s BR link (was missing from his infobox), and found there was already a BR entry there, but to a different "International Stats", which was just a blank page. Maybe because he played in Turkey before college? I then found that Kobe also has an "international" page, but his shows Olympic stats.. —] (]) 04:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
:The infobox uses ], which says the player must have been on the playoff roster.—] (]) 06:19, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
::Why does the special category for Canadian players exist?-] (]) 06:22, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
:::]? —] (]) 06:27, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
:@], @]: On a related topic, there was no comment earlier at ] about ] in 2020, when he was on the Lakers roster but opted out of the bubble, and two-way players, who are not eligible for the playoffs. —] (]) 06:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
:I'd say keep it simple by mirroring the ] infobox consensus since that's a clear black-and-white inclusion criteria that also maintains consistency across the project. Anything else would be too subjective and/or create discrepancies, thus opening the door to further editorial disputes. ] (]) 08:24, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
*'''Should be sent to afd''' ], ].-] (]) 12:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
*:On the contrary, ] has existed since 2006. ] (]) 13:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
*::That seems ]. —] (]) 15:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
*:: ]-] (]) 18:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)


OK, I added a discussion on the Talk page about adding inclusion criteria. This needs to be set and then included on the category page to help editors know when to use it. Discussion located ]. Thanks ] (]) 23:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:There are two basketball-reference links for ], as well: and . Only the latter has NBA stats. Are the BR links in the infobox controlled in Wikidata these days? ] (]) 22:32, 9 November 2024 (UTC)


== Brooklyn Nets location... again ==
== NBA Academy bios ==


Two discussions were started about location of the Brooklyn Nets – ] and ]. We have been through this many times in the past, but certain editors (old or new) like to come and question longstanding consensus. Your opinions are welcome in any of the new discussions. – ] 15:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Do ] players get the talk page tag of this project. I just created ] and am not sure whether it is premature to tag him here.-] <small>(] / ] / ] / ] / ])</small> 13:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
:I'd say no, and draw the line at G League players, who at least include players drafted by NBA teams, on two-way contracts, or assigned from the NBA. I don't think we should make the scope any player slightly related to the core NBA, like how older WNBA players were tagged under NBA proj.—] (]) 18:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::This project excludes WNBA?-] <small>(] / ] / ] / ] / ])</small> 19:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
:::I dont see ] tagged. —] (]) 03:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
::::{{yo|TonyTheTiger|Bagumba}} There's a WNBA task force that's subsidiary to this NBA project at ] which is tagged as allegedly inactive. Not sure if/how much that's a factor here. ] (]) 09:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::I don't recall much WNBA discussion here. Including WNBA within the NBA's ] just bloats page alert lists, unless there is consensus to include it. —] (]) 10:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::Where else can people go to get WNBA editorial issues addressed. Someone pinged my talk page and I referred them here and then they went silent on the issue. Where should I send them.-] <small>(] / ] / ] / ] / ])</small> 20:03, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{yo|TonyTheTiger}} {{tqq|Where else can people go to get WNBA editorial issues addressed.}} ] would be the place for that. The very last sentence of ] says: {{tq2|Any "inactive" WikiProject can be revived if the project has a "group" of new editors that would make the project an active place for discussions related to improvement of pages within the project's scope.}} So that means two editors (in this case you and the someone who pinged your talk page) expressing interest in coordinating together in the same topic area should be sufficient to change the status of ] to {{tl|WikiProject status/Semi-active}}. ] (]) 03:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::@] @]: ] is active. In fact, I found ] from 2013, where that was the suggestion in lieu of WP:NBA. —] (]) 10:16, 10 November 2024 (UTC)


:@], new editors don't know about previous discussions and consensus, which is why the same question arose again. For example, @], pointed out that there was a previous discussion at ]. How would I or any other editor have known about the existence of this archived discussion? ] (]) 19:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
== List of teams and map added to basketball season pages ==
:Without opining on the merits, from a procedural standpoint, fragmented discussions are unhelpful in forming consensus. Since this issue appears to affect multiple related articles (at least ] and ]), it's best to have a single discussion in a centralized location such as here, and ping everyone involved, which I will do momentarily. ] (]) 21:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:Pinging everyone involved in the article talk page discussions who hasn't yet participated here {{yo|Alielmi1207|Banan14kab|Bagumba|Oknazevad}}. ] (]) 21:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
::We should stick to the already open discussion at ] instead of opening a third one. ] (]) 01:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:::@]: Thoughts? It did seem like the bulk of the discussion was there. —] (]) 01:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:::That’s fine. I did not remember even posting about it before in all honesty. We all edit a ton so I don’t know off the top do my head, but will avoid it in the future. ] (]) 15:07, 28 November 2024 (UTC)


== List of career wins leaders ==
An editor has started adding sections for teams and map of teams in NBA and other basketball season pages (for example, ] and ]). There is no need to repeat the same information when there are standings tables and the number of teams is usually consistent. That is just a useless decoration. – ] 14:21, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
:The map is useful.-] <small>(] / ] / ] / ] / ])</small> 16:21, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
:Other basketball leagues do this, but those have promotion and relegation, so there are always changes from the previous season. One country that has a similar closed system is Australia, and in articles there is a separate teams section, e.g. ]. Having a closed system is not a reason on why US sports season articles not do this, as sports season articles do it.
:One sorta similar thing are candidates sections in elections articles, you'd see the same list anyway at another part of the article albeit in a usually different order. I'd rather keep this article and just have the division, coaches and arenas column, and remove the capacity column, and keep colors to a minimum.
:The map is pretty useful, and shows a snapshot in that moment in time how the divisions actually looked like, something a table can't do.
:Again, these are US articles, and I don't expect them to follow how the rest of the world does. ] (]) 16:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|Frontsfan2005}} should be seeking a consensus at respective sports WikiProjects, before making such additions to season pages. ] (]) 17:40, 2 November 2024 (UTC)


I wanted to get the thoughts of other editors here. Should there be an Article on a list of all-time leaders in career wins in both the regular season and playoffs or is that too cherry-picked? Stats for reference: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-career-wins-by-an-nba-player-in-regular-season-and-playoff ] (]) 04:18, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
:@]: see ] for the decision to possibly remove maps from MLB season articles. however ultimately kept up on season pages for MLB, NFL and MLS etc. - ] (]) 18:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)


:It would need to meet ]. Statmuse is not reliable per ], but databases are anyways are not used to establish notability. —] (]) 04:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
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While I have questions if these categories should even exist, the newly-created categories ] and ] need criteria for inclusion added. For example, should it only be for players on the playoff roster? Probably. Thoughts? ] (]) 20:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)


== Questionable articles ==
:At minimum they would have to be contracted to the team, i.e. not players who were waived or traded away during the season. For instance, ] and ] were not on their teams playoffs roster but are considered NBA champions. ] (]) 20:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
:The infobox uses ], which says the player must have been on the playoff roster.—] (]) 06:19, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
::Why does the special category for Canadian players exist?-] (]) 06:22, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
:::]? —] (]) 06:27, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
:@], @]: On a related topic, there was no comment earlier at ] about ] in 2020, when he was on the Lakers roster but opted out of the bubble, and two-way players, who are not eligible for the playoffs. —] (]) 06:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
:I'd say keep it simple by mirroring the ] infobox consensus since that's a clear black-and-white inclusion criteria that also maintains consistency across the project. Anything else would be too subjective and/or create discrepancies, thus opening the door to further editorial disputes. ] (]) 08:24, 10 November 2024 (UTC)


Hi all. {{u|Sushidude21!}} has recently created ] and ]. Both currently contain minimal trivial sources. In my opinion, Sushidude21! has built a reputation for creating half-baked articles (warned ) across multiple different topic areas. I am not as active in this project anymore, so keen to hear what others think about the above two articles. ] (]) 08:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
== ''Sporting News'' awards sources ==


:They've since moved the personal foul one to Draft namespace. For POTW and POTM, there was already some mention at ]; perhaps merge it if it's going to be a ]. —] (]) 11:34, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Does anyone have access to old ''Sporting News'' issues or compilations? At ], there's been the unsourced claim (almost from Day 1): {{tq2|The Sporting News named Wilkes to its NBA All-Pro Second Team three years.}} I have only found a source for 1981's All-Pro teams. Somewhat suprisingly, I find that longtime unsourced content that initially seems made up often pans out. Interesting that ''Sporting News'' used to have those annual NBA guides, but never listed their own awards in them.—] (]) 05:51, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{yo|DaHuzyBru|Bagumba}} Coincidentally, several months ago back in June, I created {{no redirect|List of NBA career personal fouls leaders}} as a standalone article. Subsequent consensus deemed Fadeaway World unreliable, so I went ahead and merged it to ] in September to spare it from getting axed in an AfD. I did extensive research on this topic at that time, so I highly doubt it passes ] unless new sources have been published since I last checked. ] (]) 11:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::Note the difference in the title spelling between the new contested draft (which says '''foul'''), and the long-standing article/redirect (which says '''fouls'''). ] (]) 11:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The list feels like a ] at ], a generic basketball page. Seems ] to highlight one league in the world, esp. if the coverage is limited to stats DBs. —] (]) 06:02, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::::{{yo|Bagumba}} You raise some valid points, and hence I don't feel too strongly about its inclusion by this point, so feel free to gut the section if you wish. ] (]) 07:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)


== Boxscore link changes ==
== Player nationalities in NBA draft articles ==


Hi team, the NBA just modified his internal url link for the boxscores. So, since now the previous one (http://www.nba.com/games/20140615/MIASAS/gameinfo.html) is deprecated and doesn't works. Now they have a new one (https://www.nba.com/game/mia-vs-sas-0041300405/box-score), and I'm not able to see the equivalence. Looks like a random number in the subfix. Any clue on how to fix it or convert this? As you know we have tons of them spread over hundreds of articles, so modifying them without finding a pattern can be a very tedious task... Thanks in advance. ] (]) 08:11, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm looking to form a consensus on which nationality to list in NBA draft articles. Currently they list the final or current nationality of the player and not their accurate nationality from when then they were accurately drafted. For example, the ] lists ] as Polish and ] as Lebanese even though neither would actually become citizens and represent these nations until years later. Personally, I believe that the player should be listed at their nationality at the time of draft and particularly for American players as they were not considered international applicants at the time and could be confused as having been an international applicant. We can add footnotes explaining that the player later represented X country internationally. Best, ] (]) 16:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:There was a somewhat recent discussion at {{section link|Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_47#Player_lists_and_flags}} Media coverage of "international" players seemed to gain traction after the Dream Team and NBA's push to position itself as a global league. Most sources talk about where a player was born outside of the U.S. (exception: you were American born on an overseas military base, which doesn't happen much anymore). Later nationalities through naturalization aren't really tracked by sources; it seems to be ] trivia that some editors throw in.—] (]) 17:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
::It seems to be more of an issue with older Drafts (or at least ones that happened before Misplaced Pages was created) where editors were probably going off FIBA listings at the time. I have switched 2 players back to the US from their listed nation (] became an Australian citizen 13 years after the ] & ] became a Belgian citizen at best 8 years after the ]). It just seems a bit inaccurate to list the player as a ''later'' nationality, rather than the ''current'' one. Best, ] (]) 17:20, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Yeah, unless sources start talking about drafts w.r.t to naturalized citizens it later produced, later nationalities are irrelvant. —] (]) 17:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Really the only high-level players I can think of the top of my head are ] who I don't think started playing for Germany until the 2000's and ], who was originally listed on Misplaced Pages at the ] as an American but was a confirmed a dual US/Australian citizen () then re-listed as just Australian a year later (and after a full season in the NBA) when he finally declared for FIBA in order to be part of the Olympic qualifying team. Most are guys where there is a clear line from playing in the US to the overseas country where they made their career. Best, ] (]) 17:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::I agree with the system of listing nationalities at the time of drafting and including a note about later representation. For players with dual nationality when selected, whichever country they represent at a senior level should be used. ] (]) 17:54, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::There's ] (born in U.S., later played for Phillipines). Going back, sources talk about drafted players born outside of the U.S. So we try to capture that in the tables. But an American playing for a different national team is not something that's covered w.r.t a specific draft, so that tidbit seems trivial. These additions always remind me of . —] (]) 16:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::American-born, Chinese-descent ] of that same draft class is a similar example. With Clarkson, it is unclear whether he held a Filipino passport at the time of the draft (sources primarily stating that he received it ) so I would suggest listing him as American but with a note explaining his later Filipino involvement. His own article says that he is on the team as a naturalized player. Presently in the ] article, both nationalities are listed for him: one country he never played for and one country where he likely did not have citizenship at the time. ] (]) 15:38, 17 November 2024 (UTC)


:] is the inherent problem lurking with using ]s. —] (]) 08:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
== Brooklyn Nets location... again ==
:NBA.com ] too w/o redirecting. Basketball Reference seems more stable. But again, there's always a risk with bare urls. Could go with citations, where some bot would archive the links. —] (]) 09:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)


::Right! So maybe the best way is to use a bot for archive the old ones, but any clue on how to set the new ones? The pattern should be in somewhere... --] (]) 11:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Two discussions were started about location of the Brooklyn Nets – ] and ]. We have been through this many times in the past, but certain editors (old or new) like to come and question longstanding consensus. Your opinions are welcome in any of the new discussions. – ] 15:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Is there a particular template that is creating the URL that would need to change? I was just looking at ], and that's just full urls entered directly by the editor. —] (]) 11:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)


::::That one is using Basketball Reference links and, as u said, are manual urls editions. Same, what I'm refering is i.e check ] boxscore links. These ones are not working anymore and we have a lot. Thanks --] (]) 21:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:@], new editors don't know about previous discussions and consensus, which is why the same question arose again. For example, @], pointed out that there was a previous discussion at ]. How would I or any other editor have known about the existence of this archived discussion? ] (]) 19:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

:Without opining on the merits, from a procedural standpoint, fragmented discussions are unhelpful in forming consensus. Since this issue appears to affect multiple related articles (at least ] and ]), it's best to have a single discussion in a centralized location such as here, and ping everyone involved, which I will do momentarily. ] (]) 21:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
== Fate of NBA Cup/In-Season Tournament championship game articles ==
Some of you participated in or are otherwise aware that ] just closed with a strong consensus to merge to the parent tournament page. There's similarly still an article for ]; should that one also be merged to the parent tournament page? What do folks think? (p.s. Happy Holidays to those who celebrate) ] (]) 13:52, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Pinging all AfD participants {{yo|Benison|Esolo5002|Alvaldi|H-Hurry|Reywas92|Rlendog|Bagumba|Conyo14|SportsGuy789}} ] (]) 14:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:], Kindly nominate it for AfD with proper rationale if you think it isn't mainspace worthy, rather than carpet pinging everyone involved in the discussion. Any decision regarding the merge or deletion can be taken at AfD. Thanks.<span id="Benison:1735137867513:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_National_Basketball_Association" class="FTTCmt"> &mdash;&nbsp;Benison <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 14:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
*I was just going to do a bold redirect based on the results of that AFD personally. ] (]) 15:21, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Seems reasonable. I don't see why 2024 would be an exception. —] (]) 15:25, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*::I agree. As long as the edit summary for the 2024 merged content refers to the 2023 AfD link, that should suffice IMO. ] (]) 19:06, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::I concur. ] (]) 22:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Update''': So I've gone ahead and performed the 2023 merge per AfD consensus; anyone may review the target which is mainly at ] and edit further if desired. If there's consensus for the 2024 merge/redirect, anyone may carry that out also. Another order of business is that at least one non-free poster/program image (] and possibly ] if that article is to be merged) is now orphaned and not used. It is not clear to me whether the rationales can be adjusted and therefore eligible for fair-use on the respective tournament article(s), or if deletion is necessary. ] (]) 08:43, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

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New NBA categories

While I have questions if these categories should even exist, the newly-created categories Category:NBA championship-winning players and Category:NBA championship-winning players from Canada need criteria for inclusion added. For example, should it only be for players on the playoff roster? Probably. Thoughts? Rikster2 (talk) 20:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

At minimum they would have to be contracted to the team, i.e. not players who were waived or traded away during the season. For instance, Scot Pollard and Caron Butler were not on their teams playoffs roster but are considered NBA champions. Alvaldi (talk) 20:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
The infobox uses WP:NBARING, which says the player must have been on the playoff roster.—Bagumba (talk) 06:19, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Why does the special category for Canadian players exist?-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 06:22, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Overcategorization? —Bagumba (talk) 06:27, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
@Rikster2, @Alvaldi: On a related topic, there was no comment earlier at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_47#NBA_champion_in_infobox:_Two-way_players_and_Avery_Bradley about Avery Bradley in 2020, when he was on the Lakers roster but opted out of the bubble, and two-way players, who are not eligible for the playoffs. —Bagumba (talk) 06:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
I'd say keep it simple by mirroring the WP:NBARING infobox consensus since that's a clear black-and-white inclusion criteria that also maintains consistency across the project. Anything else would be too subjective and/or create discrepancies, thus opening the door to further editorial disputes. Left guide (talk) 08:24, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

OK, I added a discussion on the Talk page about adding inclusion criteria. This needs to be set and then included on the category page to help editors know when to use it. Discussion located here. Thanks Rikster2 (talk) 23:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Brooklyn Nets location... again

Two discussions were started about location of the Brooklyn Nets – Talk:National Basketball Association#Correct location for Brooklyn Nets and New York Knicks and Talk:Brooklyn Nets#Location. We have been through this many times in the past, but certain editors (old or new) like to come and question longstanding consensus. Your opinions are welcome in any of the new discussions. – sbaio 15:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Sbaio, new editors don't know about previous discussions and consensus, which is why the same question arose again. For example, @Oknazevad, pointed out that there was a previous discussion at Talk:Brooklyn_Nets/Archive_1#Home_city_location_for_the_Brooklyn_Nets. How would I or any other editor have known about the existence of this archived discussion? Assadzadeh (talk) 19:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Without opining on the merits, from a procedural standpoint, fragmented discussions are unhelpful in forming consensus. Since this issue appears to affect multiple related articles (at least NBA and Brooklyn Nets), it's best to have a single discussion in a centralized location such as here, and ping everyone involved, which I will do momentarily. Left guide (talk) 21:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Pinging everyone involved in the article talk page discussions who hasn't yet participated here @Alielmi1207, Banan14kab, Bagumba, and Oknazevad:. Left guide (talk) 21:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
We should stick to the already open discussion at Talk:National Basketball Association instead of opening a third one. oknazevad (talk) 01:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
@Left guide: Thoughts? It did seem like the bulk of the discussion was there. —Bagumba (talk) 01:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
That’s fine. I did not remember even posting about it before in all honesty. We all edit a ton so I don’t know off the top do my head, but will avoid it in the future. Banan14kab (talk) 15:07, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

List of career wins leaders

I wanted to get the thoughts of other editors here. Should there be an Article on a list of all-time leaders in career wins in both the regular season and playoffs or is that too cherry-picked? Stats for reference: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-career-wins-by-an-nba-player-in-regular-season-and-playoff Nintendoswitchfan (talk) 04:18, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

It would need to meet WP:LISTN. Statmuse is not reliable per WP:NBASOURCES, but databases are anyways are not used to establish notability. —Bagumba (talk) 04:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
This became relevant as this is apparently one of those records thay Lebron will inevitably break soon. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of List of NBA rookie single-season rebounding leaders for deletion

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Questionable articles

Hi all. Sushidude21! has recently created List of NBA career personal foul leaders and NBA Player of the Month and Week. Both currently contain minimal trivial sources. In my opinion, Sushidude21! has built a reputation for creating half-baked articles (warned here) across multiple different topic areas. I am not as active in this project anymore, so keen to hear what others think about the above two articles. DaHuzyBru (talk) 08:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

They've since moved the personal foul one to Draft namespace. For POTW and POTM, there was already some mention at List of NBA awards; perhaps merge it if it's going to be a WP:STUB. —Bagumba (talk) 11:34, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
@DaHuzyBru and Bagumba: Coincidentally, several months ago back in June, I created List of NBA career personal fouls leaders as a standalone article. Subsequent consensus deemed Fadeaway World unreliable, so I went ahead and merged it to Personal foul (basketball)#List of NBA career personal fouls leaders in September to spare it from getting axed in an AfD. I did extensive research on this topic at that time, so I highly doubt it passes WP:NLIST unless new sources have been published since I last checked. Left guide (talk) 11:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Note the difference in the title spelling between the new contested draft (which says foul), and the long-standing article/redirect (which says fouls). Left guide (talk) 11:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
The list feels like a WP:COATRACK at Personal foul (basketball), a generic basketball page. Seems WP:UNDUE to highlight one league in the world, esp. if the coverage is limited to stats DBs. —Bagumba (talk) 06:02, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
@Bagumba: You raise some valid points, and hence I don't feel too strongly about its inclusion by this point, so feel free to gut the section if you wish. Left guide (talk) 07:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Boxscore link changes

Hi team, the NBA just modified his internal url link for the boxscores. So, since now the previous one (http://www.nba.com/games/20140615/MIASAS/gameinfo.html) is deprecated and doesn't works. Now they have a new one (https://www.nba.com/game/mia-vs-sas-0041300405/box-score), and I'm not able to see the equivalence. Looks like a random number in the subfix. Any clue on how to fix it or convert this? As you know we have tons of them spread over hundreds of articles, so modifying them without finding a pattern can be a very tedious task... Thanks in advance. Patrickpedia (talk) 08:11, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

WP:LINKROT is the inherent problem lurking with using WP:BAREURLs. —Bagumba (talk) 08:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
NBA.com is always tinkering with their player profile links too w/o redirecting. Basketball Reference seems more stable. But again, there's always a risk with bare urls. Could go with citations, where some bot would archive the links. —Bagumba (talk) 09:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Right! So maybe the best way is to use a bot for archive the old ones, but any clue on how to set the new ones? The pattern should be in somewhere... --Patrickpedia (talk) 11:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Is there a particular template that is creating the URL that would need to change? I was just looking at 1999–2000_Los_Angeles_Lakers_season#Game_log, and that's just full urls entered directly by the editor. —Bagumba (talk) 11:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
That one is using Basketball Reference links and, as u said, are manual urls editions. Same, what I'm refering is i.e check 2014 NBA playoffs boxscore links. These ones are not working anymore and we have a lot. Thanks --Patrickpedia (talk) 21:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Fate of NBA Cup/In-Season Tournament championship game articles

Some of you participated in or are otherwise aware that WP:Articles for deletion/2023 NBA In-Season Tournament championship game just closed with a strong consensus to merge to the parent tournament page. There's similarly still an article for 2024 NBA Cup championship game; should that one also be merged to the parent tournament page? What do folks think? (p.s. Happy Holidays to those who celebrate) Left guide (talk) 13:52, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Pinging all AfD participants @Benison, Esolo5002, Alvaldi, H-Hurry, Reywas92, Rlendog, Bagumba, Conyo14, and SportsGuy789: Left guide (talk) 14:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Left guide, Kindly nominate it for AfD with proper rationale if you think it isn't mainspace worthy, rather than carpet pinging everyone involved in the discussion. Any decision regarding the merge or deletion can be taken at AfD. Thanks. — Benison (Beni · talk) 14:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
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