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DO NOT INSERT Hassanal Bolkiah into independent ruler list until 2040

Brunei did not become an independent state until 1984. He therefore should not be on the list until 2040. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 00:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

In a similar vein, how should Sobhuza II's reign be handled, since the last 14 years of his reign were of an independent country, yet his entire 83 year reign is listed in the non-sovereign section. Should it only include up to 1968 there? 2601:249:9301:D570:A58F:3494:CAD4:696F (talk) 01:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

From my interpretation, I would just combine the non-sovereign and sovereign reigns together and label it as non-sovereign. Just write it down that non-sovereign's the default and that if it exceeds 56 years of Conrad, then it belongs on both lists. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 02:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Personally, it seems inconsistent to combine sovereign and non-sovereign for one of the affected individuals, but not the other. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 22:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Who would be next?

I did a brief search to find out who the next monarchs on the first list would be. If you know of any other monarch with a longer reign than those mentioned, you can add him.

No.	Portrait	Name	State	Reign		Duration		Ref.
				From	To	(days)	(years, days)
26		Alfonso VIII	Castile	31 August 1158	5 October 1214	20,489	56 years, 35 days
27		Henry III	England	19 October 1216	16 November 1272	20,482	56 years, 28 days
28		Lý Nhân Tông	Đại Việt	3 February 1072	15 January 1128	20,434	55 years, 346 days
29		Rainier III	Monaco	9 May 1949	6 April 2005	20,421	55 years, 332 days
30		Victor Amadeus II	Savoy	12 June 1675	3 September 1730	20,171	55 years, 83 days
31	File:Moulay Ismail Ibn Sherif.jpg	Moulay Ismail Ibn Sharif	Morocco	14 April 1672	22 March 1727	20,064	54 years, 342 days
32		Renzong	Western Xia (China)	1 July 1139	16 October 1193	19,831	54 years, 107 days
33		Han Wudi	Han Dynasty (China)	7 March 141 BC	29 March 87 BC	19,745	54 years, 22 days
34		Thutmose III	Egypt	28 April 1479 BC	11 March 1425 BC	19,675	53 years, 317 days
35		Frederick III	Holy Roman Empire	2 February 1440	19 August 1493	19,557	53 years, 198 days
36		Cosimo III	Tuscany	23 May 1670	31 October 1723	19,518	53 years, 161 days
37		John II	Navarre	8 September 1425	20 January 1479	19,492	53 years, 134 days
38		Chongzong	Western Xia (China)	11 September 1086	1 July 1139	19,285	52 years, 293 days
39		Eric III	Norway	8 September 1389	4 June 1442	19,261	52 years, 269 days
40		Frederick I	Sicily	17 May 1198	13 December 1250	19,203	52 years, 210 days
41		Margrethe II	Denmark	14 January 1972	14 January 2024	18,993	52 years, 0 days
42		Tahmasp I	Persia	23 May 1524	14 May 1576	18,984	51 years, 357 days
43		Casimir	Lithuania	29 June 1440	7 June 1492	18,971	51 years, 344 days
44		Haakon VII	Norway	18 November 1905	21 September 1957	18,935	51 years, 307 days
45		Ibn Saud	List Emirate of Riyadh (1902–1913) Emirate of Nejd and Hasa (1913–1921) Sultanate of Nejd (1921–1926) Kingdom of Hejaz and Nejd (1926–1932) Saudi Arabia (1932–1953)	13 January 1902	9 November 1953	18,928	51 years, 300 days
46		Jogaila (second reign)	Lithuania	3 October 1382	1 June 1434	18,868	51 years, 241 days
47		Abdullah I	Kuwait	5 September 1762	3 May 1814	18,867	51 years, 240 days
48		Said bin Sultan	Oman	20 November 1804	4 June 1856	18,824	51 years, 197 days
49		Yeongjo	Joseon (Korea)	26 October 1724	22 April 1776	18,806	51 years, 179 days
50		Henry IV	Holy Roman Empire	17 July 1054	31 December 1105	18,794	51 years, 167 days

Historygeographyknowledge (talk) 12:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Amazing although what about Thutmose III and Nguyễn Hoàng. Also weren't Savoy and Tuscany apart of the Holy Roman Empire. S302921 (talk) 07:40, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. I will add Thutmose III. As for Nguyễn Hoàng, it appears that he was a feudal lord within the Lê Dynasty.

Italian states ceased to be part of the HRE at the Peace of Westphalia, in 1648. But thank you for Thutmose III.There are many Egyptian pharaohs, have I missed more? 177.91.168.2 (talk) 09:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Also that about the subjects of photos i found photos for a couple monarchs online. I'm not sure if these are alk fulky reliable sources but still then.

Karansinhji II Vajirajji : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/lakhtar-Thakore-Sahib-KARANSINHJI-VAJIRAJJI-C-S-I-Thakore-Sahib-of-Lakhtar-1846-1924--1.jpg

Ram Singh : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/thumb800_bundi-HH-Maharao-Raja-Ram-Singh-Ji-Bahadur-1.jpg

Wakhat Singh : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/thumb800_lunawada-His-Highness-Maharaja-Shri-VAKHAT-SINHJI-K-C-I-E-22nd-Maharana-of-Lunawada-1867-1929-1.jpg

Nahar Singh : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/shahpura_state-Rajadhiraj-Nahar-Singh-1.png S302921 (talk) 09:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not experienced at uploading photos and wasn't sure about the source but these could still possibly be used here. S302921 (talk) 09:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Is the King of Spain Charles III, who ruled Spain for 29 years, and before that was the King of Naples and Sicily for another 25 years, considered? Андрій ЯЧ (talk) 23:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Андрій ЯЧ No, because his reign was over completely separate states, unlike somebody like Ferdinand III who still ruled over Sicily for about 65 years. S302921 (talk) 14:49, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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Who would be next (second list)

I did a brief search to find who would be next for the second list. Feel free to add any more monarchs if you find them here. (W.I.P)

No.	Portrait	Name	State	Reign		Duration		Ref.
				From	To	(days)	(years, days)
101		Lakshman Singh, Maharawal of Banswara	Banswara State	2 February 1844	29 April 1905	22,366	61 years, 86 days
102		Ulrich V	Württemberg-Stuttgart (Holy Roman Empire)	2 July 1419	1 September 1480	22,342	61 years, 61 days
103		Christian Ernest	Stolberg-Wernigerode (Holy Roman Empire)	27 August 1710	25 October 1771	22,339	61 years, 59 days
104		Ranbir Singh	Jind State (British Raj)	7 March 1887	31 March 1948	22,304	61 years, 24 days
105		Ernest Louis	Hesse-Darmstadt (Holy Roman Empire)	31 August 1678	12 September 1739	22,291	61 years, 12 days
106		Johann Friedrich I	Hohenlohe-Neuenstein-Öhringen (Holy Roman Empire)	11 October 1641	17 October 1702	22,285	61 years, 6 days
107		Wilhelm Moritz II	Isenburg-Philippseich (Holy Roman Empire)	8 March 1711	7 March 1772	22,280	60 years, 365 days
108		Adolf III	Schauenburg and Holstein (Holy Roman Empire)	6 July 1164	3 January 1225	22,096	60 years, 181 days
109		Leopold Louis	Palatinate-Veldenz (Holy Roman Empire)	3 June 1634	29 September 1694	22,033	60 years, 118 days
110		Friedrich Günther	Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt	28 April 1807	28 June 1867	21,976	60 years, 61 days
111		Johann Jakob I	Waldburg-Zeil (Holy Roman Empire)	4 May 1614	18 April 1674	21,899	59 years, 349 days
112		Ranjore Singh	Ajaigarh State (British Raj)	4 September 1859	7 June 1919	21,825	59 years, 276 days
113		Tozawa Masanobu	Shinjō Domain (Tokugawa shogunate, Japan)	7 August 1650	16 February 1710	21,742	59 years, 193 days
114		Francisca Christina	Thorn Abbey (Holy Roman Empire)	12 January 1717	16 July 1776	21,735	59 years, 186 days
115		Gustav Adolph	Mecklenburg-Güstrow (Holy Roman Empire)	23 April 1636	6 October 1695	21,715	59 years, 166 days
116		Carlo Filiberto I	Este and San Martino in Rio (Holy Roman Empire)	13 December 1592	26 May 1652	21,714	59 years, 165 days
117		Mary Teresa	Massa and Carrara (Holy Roman Empire)	18 August 1731	29 December 1790	21,683	59 years, 133 days
118		Charles I	Hesse-Kassel (Holy Roman Empire)	21 November 1670	23 March 1730	21,671	59 years, 122 days
119		George Frederick I	Brandenburg-Ansbach (Holy Roman Empire)	27 December 1543	25 April 1603	21,669	59 years, 119 days
120		Tsugaru Masatake	Kuroishi Domain (Tokugawa shogunate, Japan)	1 November 1683	19 February 1743	21,659	59 years, 110 days
121		Abdul Halim	Kedah (Malaysia)	14 July 1958	11 September 2017	21,609	59 years, 59 days
122		Pakubuwono XII	Surakarta (Indonesia)	11 June 1945	11 June 2004	21,550	59 years, 0 days
123		Sophia Sibylla	Leiningen-Westerburg-Oberbronn (Holy Roman Empire)	13 April 1665	18 April 1724	21,544	58 years, 361 days
124		Barnim I	Pomerania (Holy Roman Empire)	23 January 1220	13 December 1278	21,509	58 years, 324 days
125		Raghunath Sekhar Deo	Gangpore State (British Raj)	28 October 1858	10 June 1917	21,409	58 years, 225 days
126		Ludovico I	Saluzzo (Holy Roman Empire)	10 January 1416	8 April 1475	21,373	58 years, 189 days
127		Anna II	Quedlinburg Abbey (Holy Roman Empire)	2 October 1515	4 March 1574	21,338	58 years, 153 days
128		Matsudaira Mitsunaga	Takada Domain (Tokugawa shogunate, Japan)	1 March 1623	1 August 1681	21,338	58 years, 153 days
129		Heinrich XIII	Reuss-Lower Greiz (Holy Roman Empire)	21 February 1675	14 April 1733	21,236	58 years, 52 days
130		Honoré I	Monaco	22 August 1523	7 October 1581	21,231	58 years, 46 days
131		Rudolph Ferdinand	Lippe-Biesterfeld (Holy Roman Empire)	6 July 1678	12 July 1736	21,190	58 years, 6 days
132		Philipp I	Hesse-Philippsthal (Holy Roman Empire)	16 July 1663	18 June 1721	21,156	57 years, 337 days
133		Adolph Louis William	Sayn-Wittgenstein-Karlsburg (Holy Roman Empire)	18 January 1749	20 December 1806	21,154	57 years, 336 days
134		Johann	Waldburg-Waldsee (Holy Roman Empire)	30 January 1667	25 December 1724	21,148	57 years, 330 days
135		Philipp I	Nassau-Weilburg (Holy Roman Empire)	20 September 1371	2 July 1429	21,104	57 years, 285 days
136		Philipp I	Hesse (Holy Roman Empire)	11 July 1509	31 March 1567	21,082	57 years, 263 days
137		Osagawara Tadao	Kokura Domain (Japan)	3 December 1667	6 August 1725	21,065	57 years, 246 days
138		Albrecht I	Hohenlohe-Weikersheim (Holy Roman Empire)	16 November 1371	15 June 1429	21,030	57 years, 211 days
139		Moritz Kasimir I	Bentheim-Tecklenburg-Rheda (Holy Roman Empire)	13 December 1710	2 June 1768	20,991	57 years, 172 days
140		Craft Anthony William	Oettingen-Katzenstein (Holy Roman Empire)	6 November 1693	25 April 1751	20,988	57 years, 170 days
141		Joseph Wilhelm Ernst	Fürstenberg-Fürstenberg (Holy Roman Empire)	21 November 1704	29 April 1762	20,978	57 years, 159 days
142		Charles	Nassau-Usingen (Holy Roman Empire)	14 February 1718	21 June 1775	20,946	57 years, 127 days
143		Wolfgang Julius	Hohenlohe-Neuenstein (Holy Roman Empire)	11 September 1641	26 December 1698	20,925	57 years, 106 days
144		Henry II the Peaceful	Brunswick-Lüneburg (Holy Roman Empire)	14 October 1416	7 December 1473	20,873	57 years, 54 days
145		Karl Eusebius	Liechtenstein (Holy Roman Empire)	12 February 1627	5 April 1684	20,872	57 years, 53 days
146		Honoré II	Monaco	21 November 1604	10 January 1662	20,869	57 years, 50 days
147		Hassanal Bolkiah	Brunei	5 October 1967	still reigning	20,904	57 years, 84 days

S302921 (talk) 18:24, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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New Longest Reigning Monarch?

I recently discovered this guy who apparently reigned between sometime in 1912 to 6 March 2001. This is about 89 years. I’m not sure about about the start date but the end date seems legitimate. Until a source for his exact start date is found he’ll probably stay in the third list. Should he be included? https://web.archive.org/web/20180817011629/http://members.iinet.net.au/~royalty/states/nepal/bhirkot.html S302921 (talk) 18:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Also even if they lost full powers, Nepal Monarchies still effectively continued to exist until 2008. Here's another source https://myrepublica.nagariknetwork.com/news/remembering-rishikesh-shaha-a-great-nepali-diplomat-of-all-time/ Please give me thoughts on this and i will add him. S302921 (talk) 18:52, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

We need the name of the monarchs & what sovereign state they reigned over. GoodDay (talk) 19:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I don’t think his state was sovereign as it seemed subordinate to the Kingdom of Nepal. But his name seems to have been Raja Tarak Bahadur Shah GoodDay. S302921 (talk) 19:12, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

He doesn't belong in the first section, then. GoodDay (talk) 19:12, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Neither the second section since i couldn't find his exact start date but i do know it was sometime in 1912. Even a lower estimate would still place it way ahead of both Sobhuza II and Louis XIV. S302921 (talk) 19:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

With all of that should he be included? I am gonna let a few more editors decide before including him. S302921 (talk) 19:17, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

He doesn't belong in the top two sections. Louis XIV is still the longest reigned monarch of sovereign state. GoodDay (talk) 19:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

About Edit Warring

User:GoodDay User:Remsense since this is a literal list about LONGEST Reigns i feel like it would be best to add a monarch's longest reign so IMO Qianlong Emperor's de-facto reign should be counted. It is already for Maeda Tsunanori and Isa Bin Ali Al Khalifa in the Second Table. I also don't see a valid reason to remove the Monaco Note. 77.101.238.210 (talk) 21:14, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

I'll wait for Remsense to respond. My concern was stopping the back-and-forth editing. GoodDay (talk) 21:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

My concern is exactly the same, but unfortunately there's not much ability on my part to prevent disruption when the criteria just ain't that well defined. Maybe I should just take pages like these off my watchlist. Remsense ‥ 论 22:49, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Then after all of this, would it be fine if i add back my edit? 77.101.238.210 (talk) 22:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

No, because you have no source that would make clear the Qianlong Emperor is being treated consistently with other figures listed. Remsense ‥ 论 22:58, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

User:Remsense it clearly states on his page about that fact "He reigned officially from 1735 until his abdication in 1796, but retained ultimate power subsequently until his death in 1799". 77.101.238.210 (talk) 08:13, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Best to go with the reign (1735 to 1796) dates. GoodDay (talk) 16:52, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

User:GoodDay Then what about Maeda Tsunanori and Isa Bin Ali Al Khalifa who have their de-facto periods of reign counted in the second table? Also this is a list about the LONGEST REIGNS so it is best to include his de-facto period of rule. 77.101.238.210 (talk) 17:42, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

See Remsense' reasons for why your changes shouldn't be accepted. GoodDay (talk) 17:46, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

His reason is that I need a source, when it is literally listed on his very page that he abdicated in 1796 but maintained power until 1799. 77.101.238.210 (talk) 15:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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