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| {{cite journal |last1=Dafaure |first1=Maxime |title=The 'Great Meme War:' the Alt-Right and its Multifarious Enemies |journal=Angles |date=1 April 2020 |issue=10 |doi=10.4000/angles.369 |doi-access=free |issn=2274-2042}} |
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| {{cite book |last1=Jackson |first1=Sam |title=A Schema of Right-Wing Extremism in the United States |date=October 2019 |doi=10.19165/2019.2.06 |issn=2468-0486 |jstor=resrep19625 |jstor-access=free |publisher=International Centre for Counter-Terrorism |location=The Hague |url=https://icct.nl/app/uploads/2019/11/ASchemaofRWEXSamJackson-1.pdf}} |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2023 == |
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== German? == |
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The article says "alt" is short for "alternative", but: |
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The word "alt-right" comes from folks what are low down Nazi loving ], who like German, so maybe "alt" is half short for "alternative" and half the German for "old"? Aside from the ] being what they like from the US, making out as if you doing things the "Old German" way is just the sort of thing ] loving Nazi scum do. If so this should be recorded in the article. |
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Put antisemitic as one of the characteristics of the alt right movement in the top of the page. ] (]) 00:09, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:Do you have a reference to a high quality reliable source that verifies what you want to add? The article, after all, says {{tpq|Some alt-rightists are antisemitic, promoting a conspiracy theory that there is a Jewish plot to bring about white genocide, although other alt-rightists view most Jews as members of the white race.}} ] (]) 00:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 04:00, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2024 == |
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And see ] and ]. |
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] (]) 14:30, 29 January 2023 (UTC) |
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Please remove the phrase "has been declining since 2017". This is false, with people like Andrew Tate and the Identitarian movement becoming more prevalent. This claim has no source. ] (]) 00:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> I'm closing this request for now because this phrase is part of a much larger issue of this article that needs a lot more work and information to tackle. The reason that the claim has no source is because it's a lead section summary of the section ], but that section is now outdated, and is tagged as so. Nevertheless, you still need to provide a ] that states the movement is ''not'' in decline (or alternatively, reopen this request once editors have finished updating the section). ] (]) 00:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::Well, it is particularly hard to find sources that are reliable due to how the political climate around such things are ''well what's the word...'' charged so couldn't the question really be is what sources could be appropriate to update the article to date while keeping up with Misplaced Pages standards? ] (]) 00:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::Is claiming that it ''is'' in decline without valid proof not misinformation? ] (]) 10:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== 2017 Jewish Community Center Bomb Threats == |
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:Probably a moot reply, but, this type of thing is ], unless there are documented reliable sources making this connection. ] (]) 21:44, 13 February 2023 (UTC) |
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The penultimate paragraph in the Tactics section contains the following passage: |
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” In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centerswhich some press sources attributed to the alt-right. Another Jewish target was the conservative commentator Ben Shapiro, who was sent messages stating that he and his children "will go to the ovens". “ |
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Was "alt" used in english before the "altright"? If not, then its influence on the English language should be recorded in the Popular Culture or some similar section. |
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:Probably a moot reply, but 'alt' as a prefix has existed since long before the alt-right, and as a standalone abbreviation for the word 'alternate' in reference to all kinds of things, including online gaming communities. ] (]) 21:47, 13 February 2023 (UTC) |
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This use of the passive voice, (“a wave of threats began to be made” who made the threats?) coupled with the immediately following sentence starting with “another Jewish target” strongly implies that the alt right was behind the community center bomb threats. |
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However, if I actually click on the hyperlinked article about the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats, I discover that they had nothing to do with the alt right. Instead, they were perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist. |
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This article is in need of greater coverage of the alt-right post 2018 and/or an explanation of how far-right streams moved past the Alt-right and came into different incarnations or terms to describe themselves. While it does mention that the alt-right has declined since the Unite the Right rally, it makes it seem as if neo-Nazism has petered out in America entirely with no mention of what succeeded it. |
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I propose the following edit: |
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Anyone paying attention knows that although Richard Spencer and people like Kessler aren't the most popular anymore, there still is far-right violence and groups around America that grapple the nation. This article is in need of expansion that either describes the alt-right as having either morphed into different strands (e.g. groypers, lone-wolf neo-nazi terrorists, QAnon types) or having been succeeded by them entirely. Either way, this article can't simply just talk about things that happened over 5 years ago at this point. ] (he/him • ]) 00:09, 24 February 2023 (UTC) |
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“In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centers which some press sources *wrongly* attributed to the alt-right; *these threats were actually perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist, neither of which had any connection to the alt right*.” ] (]) 11:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:Yeah, the alt-right was meant to be a circus to distract conservatives from the real issues most important to them which were by that design to be decided without their participation. There's nothing even in the article about which the alt-right, by way of arguments, originally actually cared. Just a bunch of shallow descriptions and evasion of what occupied their concerns. |
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:If this edit or an edit like it cannot be made, I would suggest removing the hyperlink to the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats so at least no Misplaced Pages reader will realize that this article and that article directly contradict each other. ] (]) 11:38, 13 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:I think a lot of them figured out their ideas were just being turned over to a bunch of progressive campaign managers, Democratic leaders, international leftists and lawyers, and observed events of what took place among them bore them out. I suspect they will continue to get harrassed, belittled and dismissed, on Misplaced Pages and elsewhere. As a result, there's really no political discussion right ''or'' left exactly where you'd expect to see it, at all, like on Twitter. Not even interpretations of works in the liberal arts! ] (]) 17:28, 5 March 2023 (UTC) |
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The penultimate paragraph in the Tactics section contains the following passage:
” In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centerswhich some press sources attributed to the alt-right. Another Jewish target was the conservative commentator Ben Shapiro, who was sent messages stating that he and his children "will go to the ovens". “
This use of the passive voice, (“a wave of threats began to be made” who made the threats?) coupled with the immediately following sentence starting with “another Jewish target” strongly implies that the alt right was behind the community center bomb threats.
However, if I actually click on the hyperlinked article about the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats, I discover that they had nothing to do with the alt right. Instead, they were perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist.
“In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centers which some press sources *wrongly* attributed to the alt-right; *these threats were actually perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist, neither of which had any connection to the alt right*.” Hoax Tree (talk) 11:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 04:00, 23 August 2023 (UTC)