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| {{cite journal |last1=Dafaure |first1=Maxime |title=The 'Great Meme War:' the Alt-Right and its Multifarious Enemies |journal=Angles |date=1 April 2020 |issue=10 |doi=10.4000/angles.369 |doi-access=free |issn=2274-2042}} |
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| {{cite book |last1=Dixit |first1=Priya |title=Race, Popular Culture, and Far-right Extremism in the United States |date=2022 |publisher=Palgrave Macmillan |location=Cham |isbn=978-3-031-10820-4 |pages=135–172 |doi=10.1007/978-3-031-10820-4_5 |language=en |chapter=Memeing the Far-Right: Pepe and the Deplorables |chapter-url=https://link-springer-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-10820-4_5 |chapter-url-access=registration |via=]}} |
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| {{cite book |last1=Jackson |first1=Sam |title=A Schema of Right-Wing Extremism in the United States |date=October 2019 |doi=10.19165/2019.2.06 |issn=2468-0486 |jstor=resrep19625 |jstor-access=free |publisher=International Centre for Counter-Terrorism |location=The Hague |url=https://icct.nl/app/uploads/2019/11/ASchemaofRWEXSamJackson-1.pdf}} |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2023 == |
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== Outdated article == |
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This article is in need of greater coverage of the alt-right post 2018 and/or an explanation of how far-right streams moved past the Alt-right and came into different incarnations or terms to describe themselves. While it does mention that the alt-right has declined since the Unite the Right rally, it makes it seem as if neo-Nazism has petered out in America entirely with no mention of what succeeded it. |
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Put antisemitic as one of the characteristics of the alt right movement in the top of the page. ] (]) 00:09, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:Do you have a reference to a high quality reliable source that verifies what you want to add? The article, after all, says {{tpq|Some alt-rightists are antisemitic, promoting a conspiracy theory that there is a Jewish plot to bring about white genocide, although other alt-rightists view most Jews as members of the white race.}} ] (]) 00:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 04:00, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2024 == |
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Anyone paying attention knows that although Richard Spencer and people like Kessler aren't the most popular anymore, there still is far-right violence and groups around America that grapple the nation. This article is in need of expansion that either describes the alt-right as having either morphed into different strands (e.g. groypers, lone-wolf neo-nazi terrorists, QAnon types) or having been succeeded by them entirely. Either way, this article can't simply just talk about things that happened over 5 years ago at this point. ] (he/him • ]) 00:09, 24 February 2023 (UTC) |
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== The term "Islamophobic" is definitionally contested, and therefore not an objective descriptor. This should be reworded for objectivity. == |
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Please remove the phrase "has been declining since 2017". This is false, with people like Andrew Tate and the Identitarian movement becoming more prevalent. This claim has no source. ] (]) 00:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> I'm closing this request for now because this phrase is part of a much larger issue of this article that needs a lot more work and information to tackle. The reason that the claim has no source is because it's a lead section summary of the section ], but that section is now outdated, and is tagged as so. Nevertheless, you still need to provide a ] that states the movement is ''not'' in decline (or alternatively, reopen this request once editors have finished updating the section). ] (]) 00:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::Well, it is particularly hard to find sources that are reliable due to how the political climate around such things are ''well what's the word...'' charged so couldn't the question really be is what sources could be appropriate to update the article to date while keeping up with Misplaced Pages standards? ] (]) 00:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::Is claiming that it ''is'' in decline without valid proof not misinformation? ] (]) 10:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== 2017 Jewish Community Center Bomb Threats == |
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Change ] (]) 18:20, 19 May 2023 (UTC) |
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The penultimate paragraph in the Tactics section contains the following passage: |
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” In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centerswhich some press sources attributed to the alt-right. Another Jewish target was the conservative commentator Ben Shapiro, who was sent messages stating that he and his children "will go to the ovens". “ |
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== Alt-Right is atheist? == |
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This use of the passive voice, (“a wave of threats began to be made” who made the threats?) coupled with the immediately following sentence starting with “another Jewish target” strongly implies that the alt right was behind the community center bomb threats. |
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I sincerely question the notion of the alt-right being largely atheist. In my experience, that is ''absolutely'' not the case at all. Besides a few high-profile personalities like Spencer being atheists (the alt-right accepts him despite his atheism because they love to make a bad-faith pretense of "listening to all sides", see also: Milo Yiannopoulos, who is gay). I realize that I'm only going off of my experience here, which I acknowledge isn't enough to modify the article, but at the same time, a single Guardian article and a citation from a book that isn't accessible online are not enough evidence to throw an already marginalized group (in most of the US, at least) into the same box as a group that specifically targets marginalized people (including atheists!). ] (]) 05:04, 29 July 2023 (UTC) |
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However, if I actually click on the hyperlinked article about the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats, I discover that they had nothing to do with the alt right. Instead, they were perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist. |
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:Yeah, this is silly. The alt-right is overwhelmingly and quite vocally NOT atheist... ] (]) 11:24, 20 August 2023 (UTC) |
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“In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centers which some press sources *wrongly* attributed to the alt-right; *these threats were actually perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist, neither of which had any connection to the alt right*.” ] (]) 11:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC) |
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Put antisemitic as one of the characteristics of the alt right movement in the top of the page. ] (]) 00:09, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:Do you have a reference to a high quality reliable source that verifies what you want to add? The article, after all, says {{tpq|Some alt-rightists are antisemitic, promoting a conspiracy theory that there is a Jewish plot to bring about white genocide, although other alt-rightists view most Jews as members of the white race.}} ] (]) 00:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:If this edit or an edit like it cannot be made, I would suggest removing the hyperlink to the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats so at least no Misplaced Pages reader will realize that this article and that article directly contradict each other. ] (]) 11:38, 13 September 2024 (UTC) |
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The penultimate paragraph in the Tactics section contains the following passage:
” In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centerswhich some press sources attributed to the alt-right. Another Jewish target was the conservative commentator Ben Shapiro, who was sent messages stating that he and his children "will go to the ovens". “
This use of the passive voice, (“a wave of threats began to be made” who made the threats?) coupled with the immediately following sentence starting with “another Jewish target” strongly implies that the alt right was behind the community center bomb threats.
However, if I actually click on the hyperlinked article about the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats, I discover that they had nothing to do with the alt right. Instead, they were perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist.
“In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centers which some press sources *wrongly* attributed to the alt-right; *these threats were actually perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist, neither of which had any connection to the alt right*.” Hoax Tree (talk) 11:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 04:00, 23 August 2023 (UTC)