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			== Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2023 ==

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			Put antisemitic as one of the characteristics of the alt right movement in the top of the page. ] (]) 00:09, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
			:Do you have a reference to a high quality reliable source that verifies what you want to add? The article, after all, says {{tpq\|Some alt-rightists are antisemitic, promoting a conspiracy theory that there is a Jewish plot to bring about white genocide, although other alt-rightists view most Jews as members of the white race.}} ] (]) 00:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
			:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 04:00, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

			== Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2024 ==

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			Please remove the phrase "has been declining since 2017". This is false, with people like Andrew Tate and the Identitarian movement becoming more prevalent. This claim has no source. ] (]) 00:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
			:] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> I'm closing this request for now because this phrase is part of a much larger issue of this article that needs a lot more work and information to tackle. The reason that the claim has no source is because it's a lead section summary of the section ], but that section is now outdated, and is tagged as so. Nevertheless, you still need to provide a ] that states the movement is ''not'' in decline (or alternatively, reopen this request once editors have finished updating the section). ] (]) 00:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
			::Well, it is particularly hard to find sources that are reliable due to how the political climate around such things are ''well what's the word...'' charged so couldn't the question really be is what sources could be appropriate to update the article to date while keeping up with Misplaced Pages standards? ] (]) 00:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
			::Is claiming that it ''is'' in decline without valid proof not misinformation? ] (]) 10:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

			== 2017 Jewish Community Center Bomb Threats ==

			The penultimate paragraph in the Tactics section contains the following passage:

			” In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centerswhich some press sources attributed to the alt-right. Another Jewish target was the conservative commentator Ben Shapiro, who was sent messages stating that he and his children "will go to the ovens". “

			This use of the passive voice, (“a wave of threats began to be made” who made the threats?) coupled with the immediately following sentence starting with “another Jewish target” strongly implies that the alt right was behind the community center bomb threats.

			However, if I actually click on the hyperlinked article about the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats, I discover that they had nothing to do with the alt right. Instead, they were perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist.

			I propose the following edit:

			“In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centers which some press sources wrongly attributed to the alt-right; these threats were actually perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist, neither of which had any connection to the alt right.” ] (]) 11:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

			:If this edit or an edit like it cannot be made, I would suggest removing the hyperlink to the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats so at least no Misplaced Pages reader will realize that this article and that article directly contradict each other. ] (]) 11:38, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2023

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Put antisemitic as one of the characteristics of the alt right movement in the top of the page. 2601:80:C500:4850:4022:1557:21FD:E69D (talk) 00:09, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Do you have a reference to a high quality reliable source that verifies what you want to add? The article, after all, says Some alt-rightists are antisemitic, promoting a conspiracy theory that there is a Jewish plot to bring about white genocide, although other alt-rightists view most Jews as members of the white race. Cullen328 (talk) 00:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 04:00, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2024

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Please remove the phrase "has been declining since 2017". This is false, with people like Andrew Tate and the Identitarian movement becoming more prevalent. This claim has no source. 2601:644:907E:A450:A445:4F13:9EAF:150 (talk) 00:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Not done for now: I'm closing this request for now because this phrase is part of a much larger issue of this article that needs a lot more work and information to tackle. The reason that the claim has no source is because it's a lead section summary of the section Alt-right#2017–present: Decline, but that section is now outdated, and is tagged as so. Nevertheless, you still need to provide a reliable source that states the movement is not in decline (or alternatively, reopen this request once editors have finished updating the section). Liu1126 (talk) 00:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, it is particularly hard to find sources that are reliable due to how the political climate around such things are well what's the word... charged so couldn't the question really be is what sources could be appropriate to update the article to date while keeping up with Misplaced Pages standards? 65.190.84.189 (talk) 00:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Is claiming that it is in decline without valid proof not misinformation? 50.110.32.13 (talk) 10:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

2017 Jewish Community Center Bomb Threats

The penultimate paragraph in the Tactics section contains the following passage:

” In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centerswhich some press sources attributed to the alt-right. Another Jewish target was the conservative commentator Ben Shapiro, who was sent messages stating that he and his children "will go to the ovens". “

This use of the passive voice, (“a wave of threats began to be made” who made the threats?) coupled with the immediately following sentence starting with “another Jewish target” strongly implies that the alt right was behind the community center bomb threats.

However, if I actually click on the hyperlinked article about the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats, I discover that they had nothing to do with the alt right. Instead, they were perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist.

I propose the following edit:

“In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centers which some press sources *wrongly* attributed to the alt-right; *these threats were actually perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist, neither of which had any connection to the alt right*.” Hoax Tree (talk) 11:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

If this edit or an edit like it cannot be made, I would suggest removing the hyperlink to the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats so at least no Misplaced Pages reader will realize that this article and that article directly contradict each other. Hoax Tree (talk) 11:38, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

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