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| {{cite journal |last1=Dafaure |first1=Maxime |title=The 'Great Meme War:' the Alt-Right and its Multifarious Enemies |journal=Angles |date=1 April 2020 |issue=10 |doi=10.4000/angles.369 |doi-access=free |issn=2274-2042}} |
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| {{cite book |last1=Dixit |first1=Priya |title=Race, Popular Culture, and Far-right Extremism in the United States |date=2022 |publisher=Palgrave Macmillan |location=Cham |isbn=978-3-031-10820-4 |pages=135–172 |doi=10.1007/978-3-031-10820-4_5 |language=en |chapter=Memeing the Far-Right: Pepe and the Deplorables |chapter-url=https://link-springer-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-10820-4_5 |chapter-url-access=registration |via=]}} |
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== Spencer in lead section == |
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| {{cite book |last1=Jackson |first1=Sam |title=A Schema of Right-Wing Extremism in the United States |date=October 2019 |doi=10.19165/2019.2.06 |issn=2468-0486 |jstor=resrep19625 |jstor-access=free |publisher=International Centre for Counter-Terrorism |location=The Hague |url=https://icct.nl/app/uploads/2019/11/ASchemaofRWEXSamJackson-1.pdf}} |
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I'm not the OP here, but I came to this article to read about an ideology. The founder should be in a section on the page, but I'm not interested in him and, if it's an umbrella term, he, being one person, can't represent all of the alt-right. Having info about him right near the top is confusing and clearly presented in such a way as to demonize this umbrella ideology to readers before they have a chance to understand what this is about. |
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So, whoever is good at editing things around here should have one, short sentence about Spencer at the top, without mentioning his specific brand of alt right (which is completely irrelevant to a page that is meant to describe all of the alt-right) and then, maybe, if they still want to demonize the alt right with a scary example, they can be more surreptitious about their propagandizing of an encyclopedia and make a section about him below. |
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] (]) 03:39, 27 March 2017 (UTC) |
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:I don't agree about anyone trying to demonize anyone or anything, but I agree that there was an overemphasis on Spencer in the lead section, so I removed a sentence about him. --] (]) 18:26, 27 March 2017 (UTC) |
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:I know right OP? It's almost like elitist editors on this page completely ignored ] and ]. And why so passionately too? Oh I think I know: $$$. :) <span style='color:white;text-shadow: 0.0em 0.9em 0.1em green'></span> ]] 08:30, 6 April 2017 (UTC) |
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== Active arbitration remedies == |
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This article is now under ] and ] apply. --] <sup>]</sup> 16:16, 3 April 2017 (UTC) |
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== Hyperallergic == |
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I have never heard of this website before. Should this even be used for the article? Just seems to be used as an opinion in its respected section. . ] 03:42, 10 April 2017 (UTC) |
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:I've seen it pretty frequently in arts circles, and ] does, apparently, have a positive reputation. The quote does seem a bit excessive, but the Pizzagate/Gamergate comparison isn't, by itself, difficult to source ( etc.). ] (]) 03:45, 16 April 2017 (UTC) |
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:: I know Hyperallergic quite well. It is a respected site in the contemporary arts community with a reputation for fact-checking, editorial control, expert contributors, etc. It may look a bit like a blog sometimes, but it is excellent as a resource for arts-related articles. In this specific instance, I think the source is used correctly for saying that the Pizzagate conspiracy theory has drawn comparisons with the Gamergate controversy because Blair Murphy did indeed write that "a more useful comparison might be Gamergate". ] (]) 14:27, 16 April 2017 (UTC) |
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== Self-designation == |
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I have issue with the fact that individuals who do not identify as alt-right are categorized as alt-right due to certain media outlets categorizing them as such. Notable individuals like Mike Cernovich, Lauren Southern, Alex Jones, and Paul Joseph Watson who do not identify as alt-right. |
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There is a distinction to be made chronologically, as well. Immediately after Hillary's "alt-right" speech, there was an "I am Spartacus" moment where many conservatives felt that Hillary was trying to marginalize the populist Right. This is where Southern's tweet reference comes from, for example. However, when Spencer gave his "Hail Trump" speech in December 2016 (complete with Roman salutes), many of these aforementioned "Sparticans" quickly disassociated themselves from the alt-right, either branding themselves as "New Right" or "alt-light". Frankly, the core ideology of the alt-right is white ethnonationalism, and many of these individuals who are categorized as 'alt-right' do not support that ideology. Alt-righters most definitely refer to themselves as such, and a clear distinction should be made in the article for those who are externally categorized as alt-right, rather than by self-identification. — ''']''' ''']''' 06:13, 20 April 2017 (UTC) |
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:"Roman salutes". ] (]) 07:34, 20 April 2017 (UTC) |
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:This article certainly doesn't seem to define the political stance of 2 of the people you mentioned, Paul Joseph Watson and Mike cernovich, I don't know enough about the others to comment. Actually shocked at the info of this article, not sure how neutral it is. ] (]) 07:47, 23 April 2017 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2017 == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2023 == |
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Hi, |
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Please remove Felix Arvid Ulf Kjellberg's name from the Notable individuals section, as he clearly stated that he doesn't support alt-right groups or alt-right ideologies. |
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Here is a link to one of his statements : |
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http://pewdie.tumblr.com/post/157160889655/just-to-clear-some-things-up |
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Thank you ] (]) 05:14, 21 April 2017 (UTC) |
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Put antisemitic as one of the characteristics of the alt right movement in the top of the page. ] (]) 00:09, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] ] 06:09, 21 April 2017 (UTC) |
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:Do you have a reference to a high quality reliable source that verifies what you want to add? The article, after all, says {{tpq|Some alt-rightists are antisemitic, promoting a conspiracy theory that there is a Jewish plot to bring about white genocide, although other alt-rightists view most Jews as members of the white race.}} ] (]) 00:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 04:00, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2024 == |
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== Notable individuals section == |
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Four of the individuals mentioned in the "Notable Individuals" section (Jonathan Jafari, Stefan Molyneux, Nathan Damigo, and Paul Ray Ramsey) are either far-right conservatives or white supremacists. I couldn't find any sources calling them alt-right, so unless someone else can then I suggest we remove those four individuals.] (]) 05:20, 25 April 2017 (UTC) |
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Please remove the phrase "has been declining since 2017". This is false, with people like Andrew Tate and the Identitarian movement becoming more prevalent. This claim has no source. ] (]) 00:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:Have you checked the sources cited next to their names? ] (]) 09:17, 25 April 2017 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> I'm closing this request for now because this phrase is part of a much larger issue of this article that needs a lot more work and information to tackle. The reason that the claim has no source is because it's a lead section summary of the section ], but that section is now outdated, and is tagged as so. Nevertheless, you still need to provide a ] that states the movement is ''not'' in decline (or alternatively, reopen this request once editors have finished updating the section). ] (]) 00:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::Well, it is particularly hard to find sources that are reliable due to how the political climate around such things are ''well what's the word...'' charged so couldn't the question really be is what sources could be appropriate to update the article to date while keeping up with Misplaced Pages standards? ] (]) 00:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::Is claiming that it ''is'' in decline without valid proof not misinformation? ] (]) 10:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== 2017 Jewish Community Center Bomb Threats == |
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The penultimate paragraph in the Tactics section contains the following passage: |
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I don't think opinion pieces qualify as sufficient "evidence" that PewDiePie is alt-right. He has consistently denounced the movement. Perhaps consider removing him (and possible others) from the list? ] (]) 10:50, 26 April 2017 (UTC) |
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” In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centerswhich some press sources attributed to the alt-right. Another Jewish target was the conservative commentator Ben Shapiro, who was sent messages stating that he and his children "will go to the ovens". “ |
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:Agreed, this is ridiculous. Since when are sensational opinion pieces proof of someones political affiliation? The "sources" provided take some jokes out of context to vilify Felix for who knows what reason - more clicks, perhaps? Anyone who actually watches Felix' videos knows he's not "Alt-right" and actually denounces the movement. ] (]) 11:17, 26 April 2017 (UTC) |
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This use of the passive voice, (“a wave of threats began to be made” who made the threats?) coupled with the immediately following sentence starting with “another Jewish target” strongly implies that the alt right was behind the community center bomb threats. |
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However, if I actually click on the hyperlinked article about the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats, I discover that they had nothing to do with the alt right. Instead, they were perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist. |
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Hello I would like you to remove these individuals from the 'notable alt-right members': |
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Felix Arvid Ulf Kjellberg |
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Jonathan Jafari |
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Samuel Hyde |
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I propose the following edit: |
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None of these individuals are alt-right members. The fact these individuals were added to the list counts as defamation, and it is disgusting behaviour that they are still on this list. |
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“In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centers which some press sources *wrongly* attributed to the alt-right; *these threats were actually perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist, neither of which had any connection to the alt right*.” ] (]) 11:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC) |
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Here is some evidence that they aren't alt-right members: https://twitter.com/pewdiepie/status/857186633044701184 ] (]) 11:10, 26 April 2017 (UTC) |
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:Hey man, I agree with you, I've made a section for it just above yours - but that's not evidence. It might even delegitimise your case. ] (]) 11:14, 26 April 2017 (UTC) |
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:If this edit or an edit like it cannot be made, I would suggest removing the hyperlink to the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats so at least no Misplaced Pages reader will realize that this article and that article directly contradict each other. ] (]) 11:38, 13 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::I agree that for all people mentioned in the list clear and unequivocal "membership" must be documented by ] for them to be included. The one example I focused on (]) had at least two sources failing this completely, that is, they did not claim PDP is part of the AltRight. This is in clear breach of ] since "AltRight membership" is contentious to say the least. I am tempted to request '''full''' protection of this page (and a report to ]) since the edit-war seems to be continued. Please knock it off and discuss the issue here. Thanks. ] (]) 11:46, 26 April 2017 (UTC) |
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The penultimate paragraph in the Tactics section contains the following passage:
” In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centerswhich some press sources attributed to the alt-right. Another Jewish target was the conservative commentator Ben Shapiro, who was sent messages stating that he and his children "will go to the ovens". “
This use of the passive voice, (“a wave of threats began to be made” who made the threats?) coupled with the immediately following sentence starting with “another Jewish target” strongly implies that the alt right was behind the community center bomb threats.
However, if I actually click on the hyperlinked article about the 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats, I discover that they had nothing to do with the alt right. Instead, they were perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist.
“In 2017, a wave of threats began being made to Jewish Community Centers which some press sources *wrongly* attributed to the alt-right; *these threats were actually perpetrated by an Israeli Jew and a leftwing black journalist, neither of which had any connection to the alt right*.” Hoax Tree (talk) 11:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 04:00, 23 August 2023 (UTC)