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== Can the site URL be updated to a live link or removed entirely? == |
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I have partially overturned the Arbcom decision to totally ban links to ED. Now, I can safely start this discussion. If there is a URL to the main page in the infobox, it should either be a live link or removed entirely. A non-link URL only exists to incovenience the readers. The site contains a lot of horrible content, but Misplaced Pages is not censored. As it is quite easy to find the site URL, I recommend changing the URL to a live link. Please note I am not affiliated with ED in anyway. Thoughts? ] (]) 19:11, 7 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:It's difficult because there are now two rival versions. Also, the .wiki version is still showing a "we'll be back soon" message, while the .online version is unreliable and up and down like a yo-yo. It is down at the moment, so at the time of writing there is no version available. Things need time to settle down, but both sites need to up their game.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:58, 8 March 2021 (UTC) |
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Yes, the .top version is now offline so it didn't last very long. It is unclear why this has happened and the site faces another period of uncertainty. '''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::In my opinion, the two versions of ED being dysfunctional shouldn't come into play, as it's not our concern if they're in ship shape; we just shouldn't have dead links. {{Ping|Steve M}} I'd be fine with either including the links or deleting them both, so long as we're not having a repeat of the discussions above, where we're getting involved with the dispute between the sites' administrators, over who has the better website. ''']'''<sub> (]•])</sub> 00:44, 9 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:::@] and @], what if we include them both? The current URLs are encyclopediadramatica.wiki and encyclopediadramatica.online? (I am the OP) ] (]) 19:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::::The infobox currently gives both. This is probably the right decision, as it avoids the argument over which is the "best" or "right" link out of the two. There is a nowiki tag as the links to the pages will not save without this.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 20:05, 21 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:It's back, and according to the Dramatica forum, "] suspended the domain." So off we go with a new domain, with .top holding the record for the shortest tenure at less than a month.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 18:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC) |
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===.wiki version offline, August 2021=== |
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Re : it's true that the .wiki version is offline at the moment. The site says "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. Try waiting a few minutes and reloading. (Cannot access the database)" However, I would be reluctant to say that .wiki is gone forever due the famously up and down hosting.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:30, 3 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::Re . ED currently has two domains, edramatica.com which was registered on 9 June 2024, and dramatica.wtf which was registered on 13 May 2024 and is also being used for the forums. Since edramatica.com seems to be the main address and dramatica.wtf is a mirror, the article should give edramatica.com as the address per ].--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 10:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Concerning the .online domain. == |
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:::Re : edramatica.com is down at the moment, but it is unclear whether this is a temporary blip or something more serious.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 15:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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It has been moved to simply , we have managed to restore the pictures as it was simply an internal problem. The issue with the rivalry between each ED versions is that his ED is "Encyclopedia Dramatica LLC"'s ED. There is something to be known about Encyclopedia Dramatica is that Conrad Rockenhaus previously trademarked ED to prevent Zaiger from making money off of it. |
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::::I'm an ED regular, and I saw it go down live. When it went down, edramatica.com was replaced with a page that said, "So Don't Do That Then... (This domain has been terminated for abuse)", so I think it's safe to believe that edramatica.com has been suspended by EasyDNS. ] (]) 17:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Thanks, there have been persistent claims in the past few weeks that domain registrars are unhappy with some of the content on ED. Freedom of speech is one thing, deliberate harassment and defamation of living people is another. Since this is all part of the fun (cough, cough) at ED, it leaves them with the difficult task of finding a new domain and web host.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 18:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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*And thanks to the wonders of the ], we can see the termination message . It does indeed say "So Don't Do That Then... (This domain has been terminated for abuse)" as a message from ], complete with a dead skeleton pirate. At this rate ED will end up as a ] only, because no domain will have them.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 18:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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*:The forums at also seem to be down, as all I get is an error message saying "Page could not be loaded". (On other devices I tried, the website won't even load at all and just says "DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN") ] (]) 22:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:They are now on encyclopediadramatica.gay, which was registered with ] on 17 June 2024. So let's see how long this lasts, they have had three new domains in little over a month.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::That might not be the wisest choice, per the ] section of the ] article. I don't know, we'll just have to wait and see how long this one will last for. ] (]) 11:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::OT, but i'm surprised to see ED able to registed the .gay domain at all. ] (]) 11:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::The .gay website now redirects to edramatica.com, which is working again. ] (]) 22:34, 25 August 2024 (UTC) |
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===.win domain=== |
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EDIT: as for the .wiki domain, you should note that their recent changes are quite empty :) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:23, 10 March 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Re : It's true that the site is up and running at .win, but it is also up and running at .gay at the time of writing. This leads to a problem with ] as usually only one URL is given.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:.gay is the current official domain and hosts both the Encyclopedia Dramatica Forums and the wiki. .win is an unauthorized copy of the site that was made by a disgruntled former wiki sysop. The .win site doesn't even have a forum because the guy who runs it never even had a copy of the forum database (although he tried to beg the owner of .gay for the database). |
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] (]) 19:19, 10 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:No one of any importance from .online or any of the previous domains is using .win, they are all on .gay. ] (]) 00:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:Thank you for your input. As is the case with the administrator of the .wiki version, the state of the competing sites isn't in the equation, other than if either is a dead link. For now, we should keep both accounted for, without censoring either over the on-site inner-workings. ''']'''<sub> (]•])</sub> 22:21, 10 March 2021 (UTC) |
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::The main pages of .gay and .win are different, so they are not a complete mirror. Also, .win does not have the forums which are only on .gay. So it does look like .win is an unofficial mirror and not endorsed by the people at .gay.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC) |
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: Those are 'very interesting' one sided comments by both editors, hmmm, but above statement makes no sense if some ver is accepted or not... .win has more articles, also .win has more quality videos... ] (]) 16:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::I'm not going to get drawn into an argument over which is the better or more official version, but they are not serving exactly the same content and .win does not have the forum pages.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 16:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:It would seem that .win is down for the count, leaving edramatica.com as the sole host of the property. The circle of life continues... ''']'''<sub> (]•])</sub> 16:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC) |
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Editing is now reopened on our site .wiki now that I have technical issues resolved. |
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::It's hard to keep up with this, but at the time of writing, .gay is completely offline, while .win has a page saying "It's over - for now... Due to reasons that shall not be disclosed I will not be able to run encyclopediadramatica.win anymore - at least all on my own." This means that edramatica.com is the only working version at the moment, and thankfully we no longer have to listen to arguments about whether .win or .gay is the better version, because both of them are unavailable now.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 16:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:::{{Reply|ianmacm}} I'm beginning to get concerned about the quality of the article, as the list of domains & owners is becoming too unwieldy for the infobox. We should probably find a way to truncate it. ''']'''<sub> (]•])</sub> 17:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Agreed, I'm not sure that the infobox needs to list all of the domains that are now defunct.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 17:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC) |
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In addition I have filed for the Encyclopedia Dramatica Trademark and it's official within databases. |
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why is there no link? ] (]) 17:47, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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https://app.trademarkengine.com/trademark-detail/90606219 |
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:There have been so many ups and downs in 2024 that it is hard to keep track of them all. However, the article is correct that edramatica.com is currently the only one that is online. There is also a problem with ] due to unsuitable material on the main page (harassment, ] etc).--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 17:58, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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There were rumors of the last admin filing for the trademark before me however it apparently seems that because he's currently in prison they revoked it from him during the application process. - <b></b> 03:42, 1 April 2021 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::I'm not sure why the user keeps deleting this as it answered the question and it's useful for other editors who might ask the same question. ] (]) 23:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::as of 12/20/24, edramatica.com is down with the "timed out" error, awaiting further information. ] (]) 06:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::IsItDownRightNow says that it has been down for over a week. This means that at the time of writing, the site is not online at all. This isn't a major panic, as ED has been offline for weeks in the past and returned. Watch this space.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 08:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Are you checking some other ED mirror? I'm taking about edramatica.com, which was back on the same day it got down, which was 12/20/24. ] (]) 18:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::I couldn't access edramatica.com yesterday (20 December), but it is back online today. IsItDownRightNow agrees and says "Last down: 1 day 10 hours ago.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 20:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:No I don't think so. Trademarks do not get "revoked" while in prison. Second, the Patent Office's search engine for trademarks are notoriously unreliable. Third, any trademark issued to you would be unenforceable as a matter of law, nobody owns ED. The site was created while you were still in grade school, putting January 2004 as your first use is a joke. ] (]) 21:24, 10 April 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{Ping|Aediot|Dramatica.online|Bears2077}} None of what has been written here has any impact on the content of this page. The only way this may affect this page is if this claimed dispute were to result in one of the two instances of the page being shut down. Until then, we list both the live instances of Encyclopedia Dramatica. All of you are deeply engaged in a ] and need to stand down from contributing to this page. ''']'''<sub> (]•])</sub> 22:45, 11 April 2021 (UTC) |
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(12/23/24) ] (]) 06:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::{{Ping|DarthBotto}} This page has a lot of bad info on it with few citations, and did not adequately represent the .online fork or even the correct domain nor "owners". I supplied citations from the forum, which shows the reasons for the fork and correct date (Nov 2020, not Dec). It's disappointing that these are labeled not valid sources. I see you fixed the content box with the correct domain. I can at least live with that. No other edits are necessary. ] (]) 23:48, 11 April 2021 (UTC) |
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::::{{Ping|Psiĥedelisto}} Don't you think it's a bad idea to rely on first-party sources for the .wiki version? The reason the .online sources were removed was because they were unreliable first-party ones, as well. So, with the exception of the business filing (that sounds like it is being contested), these two current versions seem to be on equally unreliable ground. ''']'''<sub> (]•])</sub> 19:08, 16 April 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::{{re|DarthBotto}} I added quite a lot to the page, not just this. I read the existing sources (Stryker) and added more from them, as well as adding new sources (Mitchell). My primary interest in editing the page is the history I added, I just wanted to clean up the current state while here. If the consensus is that there aren't enough sources for ''either'' .wiki or .online, that's fine with me. I see that both admins are on this talk page trying to sway us, and I didn't read the talk page before making my edits so I wasn't thinking about that. ] (] • ]) <sup>please ''always'' ]!</sup> 06:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC) |
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I've the reference to the LLC registration and the Crunchbase citation, since neither of those are terribly reliable sources (with Crunchbase notoriously making many of its entries automatically with scraped data from who-knows-where). {{ping|Psiĥedelisto}} I agree that there isn't really anything to suggest the .online site is "canonical", but I don't think there's anything to suggest that of the .wiki domain, either. An attempt to find coverage of this in news sources brought absolutely nothing, so I think we might have to just lack an authoritative opinion on this one (at least until one of the sites does something wild enough to get an story written about them somewhere). ''']'''×''']''' |
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:::::Is the Chris-chan story crazy enough that / on Insider and Yahoo News? --] (]) 12:40, 9 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:edramatica.com is back up. (12/23/24) ] (]) 09:56, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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It would appear as though Stellmach's version of Encyclopedia Dramatica has been offline continuously for the past several weeks. I propose that we monitor this situation a while longer, (maybe until near the end of August), and if the situation doesn't change, we remove that version as being listed as a competing current one. Naturally, ], which is why we wait. ''']'''<sub> (]•])</sub> 02:08, 5 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:See ] above. With any site other than ED, going offline for weeks would be unusual. ED has done this in the past and still returned, but I agree that the .wiki version should be regarded as defunct if it hasn't returned by September.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:04, 5 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::I'm relaxed about this, as ED's hosting is famously unreliable. It has been offline for days or weeks in the past.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 12:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Sorry for the long delay, edramatica.com was back up the next day. ] (]) 09:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC) |
Yes, the .top version is now offline so it didn't last very long. It is unclear why this has happened and the site faces another period of uncertainty. ♦IanMacM♦ 07:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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