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Vampire

Can you point to some legitimate research which can prove that vampires are not mythical? RickK 22:44, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

come to think of it, can you provide me any evidance that vampires ARE strictly mythical? Gabrielsimon 01:26, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The burden of proof's on you, the person asserting a claim. I suggest you take anything that you don't believe in, and try to prove that it's strictly mythical. But on Misplaced Pages, it doesn't matter - neither position should be stated except as the position of a verifiable, notable group/individual. Nickptar 03:16, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

with so many people believing that they are ( and manywho ive met who if they arent, got exensive surgiury to look and act like they are) then its kinda verifiable. i can document it if i have to. Gabrielsimon 03:19, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

~1000 years ago, many people thought the world was flat. Truth is not decided democratically. It's a fact that there are lots of people who believe in vampires, and a substantial number who believe they are such, but this doesn't determine either way the fact of whether or not there actually are such beings. Nickptar 04:29, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

NPOV

I removed your question from the NPOV page because we don't allow questions and discussion on ARTICLE pages. If you'd like to put it on the article's discussion page, or on the Village pump, you might get an answer. RickK 23:03, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

Akashic record

I know exactly what the Akashic Records are. It's fiction. Like much of the work you're trying to foist off on the encyclopedia as fact. And yes, there have been people who have had symptoms similar to vampirism. There are many different verifiable diseases which can have symptoms like allergy to sunlight -- lupus, for one.

By the way, if you want to add your User signature to your posts, use three tildes - ~~~~, or four tildes, if you want to include a date and time stamp. You're signing your posts GabrielSimon, but your User id is Gabrielsimon. RickK 23:33, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

if its fiction how come i and others can access it? just because your prescious science can not find or explain it, it HAS to be fiction huh? and you call yourself open minded.

Gabrielsimon 23:40, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Just because you believe it to be true doesn't mean it is. NPOV means verifiability, not faith. RickK 23:45, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

gained knowledge that works is not faith, it is practicality.

Gabrielsimon 23:48, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

also, you saying that it is fiction when you can not proove it is POV. Gabrielsimon 00:19, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

POV

Unilaterally saying anything is false is POV if there are people who dispute that, but so is unilaterally saying it's true. The NPOV way is to say "some people say X and present <evidence>, but almost everybody says not-X based on <other evidence>".

Also, in any case of extraordinary supernatural claims, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim, not the one disputing it.

Science is a POV, but it's a POV that works. It only needs to be presented as a POV in articles where there's a major conflict between scientific and other views (e.g. Creationism). In general, it's standard to just talk about the generally accepted, scientific claim as fact in most of the article, and in a "criticisms" or "allegations" or similar section, mention "some say <other point of view>."

Nickptar 01:26, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• (On second thought, the sentence I've striked out is wrong. See . Nickptar 02:35, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

science and supernatural dont s eem to reconsile, and all i am saying is that science need not be the POV for dealing with the supernatural... ive seen a lot to back up this line of thought.

Gabrielsimon 01:28, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

So say "Some state X, others state Y", and present the facts and evidence surrounding that. No big deal. Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view#Religion has some good comments on this. Nickptar 02:25, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Your excellent questions

Hey, good buddy, welcome to Misplaced Pages.

I cut your excellent comment from the article page to the TalkArticle page here if that is okay. ---Rednblu | Talk 01:54, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

that will be interesting to see what becomes of it.

Gabrielsimon 02:07, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• True. As you might surmise, you dig at a real and chronic problem here on Misplaced Pages. There is much to be done. And not just on that NPOV page. What do you think? ---Rednblu | Talk 02:10, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

science is ok for nice toys like computers and such, but science and the world reconsile as this in my mind, sceince is just this little kid racing to catch up, to understand, and may have missed somethingcritical in its hurry.

Gabrielsimon 02:13, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Nice poem. I boldly clarified your poem on my TalkPage, if that is all right. :)) ---Rednblu | Talk 02:55, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

what

Gabrielsimon 02:57, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Do you approve of the editorial markup I did to your beautiful poem on my TalkPage? ---Rednblu | Talk 03:03, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

sure... but it would be nice to get an answer as well...

Gabrielsimon 03:04, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• I am thinking. Your excellent verse provokes thought! ---Rednblu | Talk 03:13, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

science is ok for nice toys like computers and such, but science and the world reconcile as this in my mind, science is just this little kid racing to catch up, to understand, and may have missed something critical in its hurry.

also, as for creationism and evolution, why's it matter? really... gods can create things and then change them right? why not try to find a way to reconcile both beliefs?

• Your questions have made me think for a long time. Since I have relished this time I have spent with your questions, I thank you fully from the bottom of my heart that loves good questions--and I particularly like your poetic style that reminds me so much of e e cummings. In contemplation of your questions, here is what I came up with: Reconciliation is good, but my mother and my father would have very different reconciliations of creationism with evolution.
  1. My mother would reconcile the two beliefs the same way she reconciled good and evil--God made them both, and God is good while Satan is evil. Hence, my mother would reconcile creationism and evolution by saying, "God made both, and creationism is good, and evolution is evil. But God made them both."
  2. My father would reconcile the two beliefs the same way he reconciled good and evil--both evolved from the antelope fleeing the lion--and what is good for the lion is evil for the antelope. Hence, my father would reconcile creationism with evolution by saying, "The human creationism that hungers for the Creator, sees the Creator, and hears the Creator is totally the product of natural selection and the other processes of evolution." ---Rednblu | Talk 05:51, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

thing is that good and evil differ from viewpoint to viewpoint, an example is foerge W, while i agree that a good deal of waht he does is probably good for his country, he ses his war mongering as good, whereas the residents of the countries that live where the wars are see it as evil, the same goes for the conept of terorism, he calls others terrorists for " going on to foergn soil with millitaristic intent to harm" or soime such, when that is what he keeps sending rtooops to do, spoecually in csouth america.

now im not trying to spark a pro or con bush debate, all im saying is that its a good example.

Gabrielsimon 22:28, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• I think you have some excellent insights there. Have you tried to put those insights into a poem. In my opinion, you could do quite a good rant and rave on what you just said. I would like to hear what you come up with.  :)) Very much. ---Rednblu | Talk 23:52, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

idiocey

i find it strange that small minded idiots keep vandalizing pages all over this site....

Gabrielsimon 03:53, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

About Dream Guy

I see that a-hole was giving you trouble too. I vandalized his site about 20 times, but apparently he is too much of an arrogant prick to get the message. I also saw how he insulted you I am very sorry about that.

Once an a-hole always one.

From User:Dbraceyrules

i dont resort to vandalism, but i do wish someone would stab his intenret connection cable...

Gabrielsimon 04:34, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Let him piss you off enough ... you'll start vandalizing. I thought the same way.

From User:Dbraceyrules

i dont vandalize, i simply use some of my diverse talents to, shall we say, exact revenge.

email me for what i mean Gabrielsimon 12:08, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Harassment

Stop adding stupid comments to my talk page, immediately, or I will report you for vandalism. You and USer:Dbraceyrules not so secret attempts to get "revenge" and insult me and so forth are a clear violation of Wikeipedia policy. I've had more than enough. Stop now. DreamGuy 21:49, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

i never insulted you. iun fact i have been clearly quite nice . you shold stop bothering me now, please. Gabrielsimon 21:53, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

it seems that dream guy seems to not know hoiw to take a peice of contructive critisism, too bad, guess hes gonna stay mad at me and possibly the world.

please note to all and anyone, that i have not harrassed him, i have simply put the following question on his page, and when he deletes it without ansering me, i ask again, casue i want an answer.

it is as follows "if so many people keep vandalizing your page, dont you think that your approach to them is wrong perhaps?" or a varient thereof. Gabrielsimon 21:58, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Dispute resolution

If you want to pursue your issue with DreamGuy, the process is discussed at Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes. -- John Fader (talk | contribs) 22:41, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

much appreciated!

Gabrielsimon 22:43, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

shinto

anyone know of any canadian shinto shrines?

im itching to learn more.

From User:Dbraceyrules

He claims that we confess to "revenge" on our talk pages. What revenge do you extract on him...by the way, he knows all of our conversations, or at least appears to.

he seems to wnat to play the martyr when hes really not able t o, by the by do you think my mod to his talk page is vandalism? and is insiting on an answer to a blaringly obvious question vandalism , or jsut trying to get him to see the root of the problem. howis helping the guy revenge? is he deluded? possibly needs glasses? cause hesnot reading whats there. Gabrielsimon 02:26, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Of course inquiring about his responses is not vandalism. ou are much more complacent than I am, because I have (proudly) cussed him out, and I once put a picture of Hitler on his page. Yeah, I know, it was childish, but he pretty much pissed me off.

sinking to the level of a child is what he wants, then he can pretend to be all high and mighty and the poor victim, or so it seems. no, i am a more complex being then trhat, i will ask the question until he has the sense to answer it and go from there. if he doenst have the abillity to look beyond his current scope of things, then people will vandalize him forver, becasue he wont change. also, i did not mean to imply that youer being childish... o and if hes reading, i wonder, where is the revenge in this idea? wheres the hatred?

Gabrielsimon 02:35, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I am fed up with DreamGuy to the point that I have decided not even to worry about posting anything, not even vandalism, on his "talk page" as it has proven to be a waste of my time. I just say we drop it if he is willing to, and if not, file a false report on him for vandalism, and let him get in trouble.

thing is, that would also be stooping. if he wants to be immature and such about EVERYTHING, as seems to be the case then so be it, but i will contunie to ask him the question until he at least answers it. i am showing him some respect by attempting to help him see, so he should at least aknowldge it, isntead of crying as if hes been stung by a bee. some people simply amaze me in thier lack of manners.

Gabrielsimon 02:44, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

- In that case, I feel pretty guilty.

dont worry about it, im guessing your younger then me, in which case, maybe its a new leaf actually turned, o great, now im sounding like grand dad... any hoo, feel free to email me, actually, if you did wish to speak. also, whats done is done, all we can do is move foreward, so whats the point of feeling guilty in that light? its good that peoplerealize error, but guilt , fear, and sorrow really are wasted emotions, for they dont help us to move foreward ( ok, in fear, it helpsus to keep moving from time to time, but you get my point)

Gabrielsimon 02:57, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

to User:Dbraceyrules

dude, you shouldnt erase anything on the vandal page, its bad form, and well, while i apprecaite he support, why not add it in after the argument, some might think the erasure to be vandalizm, or an attempt to cover some such thing.

Gabrielsimon 03:12, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

User:Dbraceyrules I removed all my comments about the man, I forgot to do that last night. lol. Hope everything is well with you.

RE: GabrielSimon, re-email me on my site or yours, it does not matter

Yeah, it is amazing. But, you were right about me doing some childish things, but really I think that since this place offers me so much anonmity, that I have confused this with a "playhouse" which I am going to stop doing. I tried to make DreamGuy a truce, so you accidentally scoffed at him (that time) Because I told him that I would be willing to stop if he would hear me out... much similar to your pleas with him. However, I am just fed up with him. I did not erase my name again, I just decided to add his. Justifiably so... he calls you and I juveniles on several occassions, and called me a "troll" lol. You can read my note I left him on my user page. I explained he respoinded to it. Angrily, I decided to leave some rather not so nice remarks about him, again stooping to his levell. And yes I am much younger than you, "you kinda did sound like my grandpa " Lets just let DreamGuy in peace. I know that I have came off as immature with some of my remarks, but trust me, "Dbraceyrules" is way different than me in person.

thing is, he keeps using his opinions of whts possible to mess with me and my edits, which annoys me greatly. oh well. i guess ill just have to deal with his annoying behavour, and hope thatkarmic law drops some sort of heavy thing on him.

Gabrielsimon 03:59, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

...like his Internet shutting off, or his monitor smoking, sparking, and breaking!!!! Bet that'll change his pompousness. I wish someone would cut his phone cord.

i doubt anything so small would change his ways, if he wont do something as simple as listening. its a pity really, he seems to have a brain, now if hed only use it.

Gabrielsimon 04:09, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I thought it would be nice if DreamGuy read the following:

In order to confirm that GabrielSimon is not a vandal I copied this from Misplaced Pages:Vandalism. Read it and weep DreamGuy.

Bullying or stubbornness Some users cannot come to agreement with others who are willing to talk to them on an article's talk page, and repeatedly make changes opposed by everyone else. This is a matter of regret—you may wish to see our dispute resolution pages to get help. However, it is not vandalism.

That's changes to an article page where other editors want it discussed on an article talk page first. Repeatedly posting harassing comments to a user talk page is vandalism. You both know you are just doing it to piss me off. If you cared about Misplaced Pages rules you would have given up a long time ago. DreamGuy 05:20, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

all you had to do was answer the question. and i would have left you alone.

Gabrielsimon 05:29, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

theres a problem withyour staement, see, i havent said anything ude, or anywhere near harrasssing, therafore your statement is ludicrous, also, nice try on the vandal page , trying to show only a piece of the truth to gain favour. such immaturity is hardly toerable. Gabrielsimon 14:34, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Three revert rule

You have been blocked for 10 hours under the three revert rule. If you wish to appeal please contact another administrator or the mailing list.Geni 05:46, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

whoopsie! Gabrielsimon 13:17, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)