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This is the talk page of WikiProject Sri Lanka Reconciliation, a bipartisan effort to improve collaboration on and coverage of the Sri Lankan Civil War. Everybody is invited to participate in discussions here or to add a new topic. Members can moderate the discussion and delete any off-topic conversation; in particular personal attacks will be deleted. If you have a complaint about a user, please try to resolve it on their talk page first. For any complaints, please always be specific and provide links. To become a member, please apply in the Members and applications section below. Historical project page edit This project was founded on January 24, 2007 as the first WikiProject specifically focused on conflict resolution. It was not needed anymore after the end of the Sri Lanka Civil war in 2009 and was shut down by a founding member in February 2015. Its subpage /Sources continues to be used and is occasionally updated. Readers interested in its history are invited to take a look at the following: Dreams, hopes, and visions A brief history

List of Archived Pages
/archive - /archive 2 WT:SLR/archive#Archive 3

Members and applications

Please add a new section with your user name in the headline like this: ==={{User|Your Alias}}===. See /archive#Members for old applications.

Neuralolive (talk · contribs)

(Original headline: "Thanks and membership")

Hi, and a big thank you to RaveenS for the warm welcome. As someone interested in the situation in Sri Lanka, but with no political/cultural/religious ties to the country or indeed anyone in it, I would very much like to join your group. As you can see I am also new to WP, and my editing skills aren't what they could have been, but I do feel that I can make a good effort substantively, and would like to contribute to the clearly well considered goals of this group. Thus, with a caveat that I will probably need quite a bit of support, I would like to apply for membership Neuralolive 06:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

• Support. — Sebastian 08:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
• Support Based on the opinions of SebastianHelm and RaveenS--Sharz 10:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

No objections within 48 hours, which means we have a new member! Welcome, Neuralolive! — Sebastian 17:55, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Krankman (talk · contribs)

Hello. The invitation to this project came just at the right time. Only yesterday I thought about how to find people who might help with the Sri Lanka article, because I find the work really depressing. Not engaging in edit wars takes a lot of self-restraint. So does not quitting editing Misplaced Pages. Although I'm not too optimistic, I hope a group like this might help reduce the frustration. I'd like to cooperate with you. Cheers, Krankman 08:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

• Support haven't had any 1 - 1 experience with your editing however had a quick glance over your contributions. --Sharz 08:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
• Support. The reason why I invited him was that I liked this example of good communication. — Sebastian 20:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
• Support: German who can understand English, Sinhalese and Tamil? Ummm... look like the service pack of Sebastian --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ 09:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

  ROFLOL! — Sebastian 21:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

No objections within 48 hours, which means the new member is accepted - welcome! — Sebastian 17:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Lexicon (talk · contribs)

I've been invited to participate in this group several times by e-mail (probably to my old username, Osgoodelawyer). I have had some conflicts in the past with editors on Sri Lanka-related pages, and have tried to use logic and appeal to the rules, not emotion, to put my views forward. Since I just found myself having to clean up some POV hidden as POV-removal, I feel I'm ready to join. Lexicon (talk) 14:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

• Support — Sebastian 19:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
• Support RaveenS 21:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
• Support--Sharz 07:01, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Watchdogb (talk · contribs)

I would like to be a member.

• support Taprobanus 23:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Proposed recipients for barnstars

Black Falcon (talk · contribs)

He has been very active in trying to maintain the neutrality of Special Task Force article and has also intervened many times trying to coach Sri lanka specific editors in following wiki policies. Some of his contributions are RaveenS 16:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• Support --Sharz 12:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
• Support --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ 15:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Why dont you do him the favor :) Taprobanus 13:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

--♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ 15:44, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Complete rewrite projects

Welikada prison massacre

13:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Jaffna kingdom

13:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Current Peer reviews

2006 Kathiraveli massacre

Currently being peer reviewd Taprobanus 12:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Padahuthurai bombing

Currently being peer reviewd Taprobanus 12:43, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Archived peer reviewed articles

Candidates for good article status

• Tamilnet 12:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
• Burning of Jaffna library 12:44, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Conflict resolution

Use of WP:HOAX tag

Problem statement: Dispute over usage of Hoax tag

Discussion

I would like to report a potential misuse of WP:HOAX and edit warring using the same tag in Sri Lanka related articles. The potential misuse began on See diff here) after considerable discussion on the talk page by neutral editors regarding the potential misuse see Use of Misplaced Pages "Hoax" tag the article was improved. Then the hoax tag was used on See diff and diff here again after patient explanation by a neutral Wikipedian editor and discussions on the talk page about how to use hoax tag see here the article was improved Then it was used by the same editor on see diff here) much to the chagrin of neutral editors see talk page. After that the behavior has escalated (See diff here), (see diff here) and (See diff here). I want to find out from SLR members whether my observations are correct or wrong and if there is anything we can do do resolve this issue or do we have to take it to ANI. RaveenS 12:22, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Lexicon for resolving this issue RaveenS 21:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC) Resolved

Malicious tagging Velupillai Prabhakaran page

Problem statement: Dispute over usage of tags in the article

Discussion

NPOV,OR,Citecheck, and weasel tags on them. I think if reasonable Wikipedians can create stable articles on Hitler, Stalin, Ho Chi Minh etc why is the crowd of primarily Sri Lankan specific editors have to resort to malicious tagging. Anyone who comes to read about this individual will return with a poor reputation about Misplaced Pages. This is a bloody nose to Misplaced Pages because editors are unable to suppress their personal feelings about such an obviously divisive person to create a neutral article. I feel strongly that SLR should look into this before I take it to ANI. My suggestion would be to replace them all with totally disputed tag RaveenS 14:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Well in response to your first line, Hitler was cremated infront of the Reichstag, Stalin was buried outside the walls of the Kremlim and Ho Chi Minh has a building in which you can see his body in a glass case, however, Velupillai Prabhakaran is alive, and the Sri Lankan Conflict is very much on-going. If you look at people such as President George W Bush, Osama Bin Laden and any real political or military figure in power currently, there is alot of dispution in their articles accross the board. I really can't think of what can be done to alleviate this. --Sharz 23:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Look at George W Bush and Osama bin Laden are they all hen scratched like the above one ? No because reasonable people talk to each other and create a neutral article. Just one tag Totally disputed will do (my opinion) I would like it to take it to village pump also, because this makes wikipedia look bad RaveenS 23:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I want to point out something from the Osama article. "Although bin Laden has not been indicted for the September 11, 2001 attacks, he has taken responsibility for them". If you look at the Prabakaran article it has some section about LTTE's Forced prostitution. Somehow implying that he is behind this. Shouldn't this speak volumes about what the point of the article is Raveen ? Former states that even thought he took responsibility he is not indicated. Later however, states that even though there is no indication Prabaharan is somehow responsible. I just can't understand what people try to achieve through this article. Watchdogb 03:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

What it does is, it makes wikipedia looks bad 14:31, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Category dispute over Chemmani mass graves

Problem statement: Dispute over is it a mass grave or not

• Discussion  Done
• Third party opinion  Done
• Straw poll  Not done
• Mediation  Not done

Gory image Sri Lankan civil war page

Problem statement: Dispute over usage of gory images in the article

• Discussion  Done
• RFC  Done
• Straw poll  Done
• Mediation here

Category dispute over Chencholai bombing

Problem statement: Dispute over, is it a massacre or not

• Discussion  Done
• RFC  Not done
• Straw poll  Not done
• Mediation  Not done

Merging of Assassinations and murders attributed to the LTTE

Problem statement: Dispute pver whether this article should be merged with Notable assassinations of the Sri Lankan Civil War

• Discussion  Done
• RFC  Not done
• Straw poll  Done
• Mediation  Not done

Neutrality of LTTE article

Problem statement: Dispute over neutrality of the article, should neutrality tag be used or not

• Discussion  Done
• RFC  Not done
• Straw poll  Not done
• Mediation  Not done

Category inclusion conflict at Duraiappa stadium mass grave

Problem statement: Dispute over whether this article should be included at Category:Mass graves or at Category:History of Sri Lanka

Discussion

First off, let me say that this is my first "formalized" conflict resolution attempt, so any guidance in the process is appreciated. Now, onto the problem itself (which is only one among many with this article):

Duraiappa stadium mass grave has been added to and reverted out of Category:Mass graves and Category:History of Sri Lanka multiple times now. I believe that the categories are warranted:

• Category:Mass graves is appropriate because the most basic definitions of a mass grave, including the one used at mass grave, include this site.
  • At its most basic, a "mass grave" is simply a grave containing multiple bodies. The term itself does not denote any judgement about the condition of the bodies, their political history, or how they came to be there. Some specific organizations, including some UN bodies or personnel, seem to have more specific definitions, as presented by Iwazaki at Talk:Duraiappa stadium mass grave; however, Misplaced Pages is organized by or subject to none of these organizations, and therefore, should use the most basic definition in order to aid user navigation.
• Category:History of Sri Lanka is appropriate because the discovery of this grave site is, quite simply, an event in the history of the country.
  • Again, inclusion in this category is "connotation-less" - it demonstrates no judgement about the bodies or the conditions of their deaths. Iwazaki says, "This place is NOT A HISTORICALLY IMPORTANT LOCATION and this event is not an important event," calling the grave "insignificant," but these judgements are irrelevant. The relative "importance" of the gravesite in the "big picture" of Sri Lankan history has nothing to do with the fact that it is located in the country, and its discovery was part of the country's history. The category isn't called Category:Really important events in Sri Lankan History; it has no such qualifier, and is simply titled History of...

I have invited Iwazaki and any other interested parties to visit this page and engage in civil discussion so that we can get this dispute worked out. PaladinWhite 18:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Just a comment, since it relates to something that happened on Allegations of mass graves at Chemmani as well: If the article is in Category:Sri Lankan Tamil history, then it should not be in History of Sri Lanka, since the former is a sub-category of the latter, and generally if an article is in a sub-category, it is not placed in the category above (now, whether that sub-category is somewhat of a POV creation so that the main category doesn't show on articles, that's another issue entirely). Now, as for removal from Category:Mass graves, on this article and the Chemmani one, there is clearly some serious POV going on with the removal of the articles from that category, and I urge the removers to look into their hearts (kind of cheesy, but, really, I do implore you to do it), before pushing any more obviously improper POV in relation to this subject. Lexicon (talk) 22:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)