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Drug rehabilitation

I am not spamming anything. My goal in life is to use the internet to help others dealing with addictions. Have you any any experience dealing with addictions? It is just frustrating that I have options i would like to share and you people continue to tell me I cant. Tcennis 19:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

YouTube Links

Hi! It looks like you've stumbled upon the Great YouTube Controversy. There's more to it than Nick pointed you to - there's the discussion at WP:EL, but there's also Misplaced Pages:External links/YouTube and Misplaced Pages talk:External links/YouTube, some of this has ended up at Misplaced Pages:External links/Copyrights (and associated talk), and has even ended up as an RfC: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington. Sir Nick is one of the more egregious YouTube deleters, and gets his back up whenever any of his deletions are challenged, unlike most of the others involved, who will actually listen when challenged. Argyriou (talk) 22:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Capitalisation rules

Note that, as with every publication, our Manual of Style is what counts — this applies to all titles. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I know, that's why I linked to WP:MOSTM in the edit summary, which is in fact part of the Manual of Style. It says "Capitalize trademarks, as with proper names". --DeLarge 21:58, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

And it is capitalised — but part of it is a preposition, which isn't capitalised — and as the Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (trademarks) says: "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment". Note, incidentally, that the New York Times' MoS is different from ours in many respects, and shouldn't be followed in preference to our own. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 23:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

"Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment" applies to trademarks which are often spelled entirely in capitals, as in the given example ("REALTOR"). It makes absolutely no mention of prepositions. Capitalizing the "O" is common practice on WP, hence 25 O'Clock, 9 O'Clock Gun, The 7 O'Clock News, Three O'Clock High, Twelve O'Clock High, The 11 O'Clock Show, the original Ten O'Clock Classics before you moved it, etc etc etc etc etc. And capitalizing the "O" not only tallies with the NY Times, but also the BBC. And the Chicago Manual of Style, which is the most widely cited by Misplaced Pages, has no problem with "O'Clock", so this edit and this one seem to smack more of personal preference than WP policies/guidelines. --DeLarge 23:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

But, first, saying that many other article make the same mistake is no argument (or do you plan to have "receive", "arguement", and "seperate" added to the MoS?). Secondly, it's our MoS with which I'm concerned, not the Chicago, the NYT, or the BBC (the last of those, at least, is no guide to correct English — they've become very sloppy). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

The fact that such article titles exist is evidence of a tolerance of the capitalized "O" on WP; I think it's disingenuous to make a comparison between that and mere spelling errors. Also, while you keep mentioning the WP:MOS, I can't see anything to explicitly support your position ahead of mine, especially since Misplaced Pages's style guide is simply a consensual interpretation of existing manuals (most often the CMS, and it's fine with the capitalized "O" as previously shown). Since we're just engaging in conflicting interpretations here, I'll try and provoke some wider debate at the MOSTM talk page. --DeLarge 12:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

It clearly says that prepositions shouldn't be capitalised; I'm not sure what it could say that was more straightforward and to the point. (I was interested to discover that all but one of the articles to which you linked contained other errors, with the capitalision of "in", "the", etc., in titles given in the text.) --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 14:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Flixster

Just wanted to drop you a line to say we don't necessarily disagree. Blogs are not a good source of reliable factual information except for a few specific ones. Doubt anyone would disagree with that. I also agree that commentators may want to look "with it". However, we weren't looking for verifiability of info on the flixster page, but notability. If lots of people independently start mentioning a specific site on their blog, that's a good sign of notability, although you'd have to be careful how much factual info you tried to take from them. Similarly, if a commentator wants to name-drop, he's only going to name-drop a notable site, surely?

I've actually just come across something interesting about an apparent advertising war between MySpace and Flixster. I'll investigate and add something to the article if I learn anything - this site might start making a name for itself very soon. GDallimore 10:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, the AfD has closed, so that's the end of it as far as I'm concerned. I occasionally visit the older AfD pages and try to contribute to undecided discussions if I think my vote/contribution could make a difference, but I rarely have any personal interest in the content.

I'll grant what you're saying about the difference between notability and verifiability, but to give a contrast; one of the other old AfDs I chimed in on at the same time was Ronen Segev. There was a move for deleting that article on the grounds of non-notability (including User:Jimbo Wales himself), despite the fact that he was the subject of articles/interviews in both the NY Times and WNYC. WP:Note and WP:WEB are fairly specific in their criteria, and I don't think Flixster's coverage was either wide enough or non-trivial enough.

However, like I said, AfD's over so it's off my watchlist. There's too many articles worse than Flixster for me to concern myself with it. --DeLarge 11:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

FWD

Thank you for participation in Talk:Front-wheel_drive. Are you agree with me that the statement about Intentional skidding and the assertion For a given vehicle weight, power and tire size, a front wheel drive car is always faster over a given section of road should be removed from Front-wheel_drive. This is our main dispute with User:Liftarn, thinks that this should be kept. Please help to resolve the dispute. --Maxim Masiutin 19:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Just stopped by to thank you for reverting the vandalism on my userpage. --Ann Stouter 15:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

List of cities with the most billionaires

You are right that does look very odd. And of course there is a place to request a review of deleteions called Misplaced Pages:Deletion review. However, I noticed that it was 76.21.176.141 that prodded it and at least one other related artcle. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 19:07, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I see it's back. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 21:07, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

RE: Mitsubishi i

To answer your question, yes I did use the JavaScript programme to format the article. There are no rules set in stone about the changes - but they are used to keep articles consistent in Misplaced Pages. I also noticed that when you reverted my edits you failed to remove the image size parameters (see WP:MOS#Images). I don't particularly care that you reverted my edits - but I only ran the script to fix up problems that I found evident in the article, hopefully giving the article more of a chance of being promoted to GA. Cheers OSX 06:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but...

Hey, thanks for your RC patrolling, but I didn't vandalize my own userpage, I swear! :-) Leuko 11:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry about that. Luckily I already posted my apology on your talk page. I'll just leave everything alone. --DeLarge 11:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem, edit conflicts happen. Thanks again. Leuko 11:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Template redirects

Please read my answer to your request and (if possible) reply it. Thank you. -- NaBUru38 16:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Holden VE Commodore FAC

I have now fixed up those errors you pointed out on the Holden VE Commodore artilce, so would you consider supporting the aricle? OSX 21:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Cheers for your comments on the article's FAC, would it be possible if you stiked out the issues that have now been resolved? OSX 06:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I'll try and get round to this in the next few hours if I have time. I still see problems though (especially with the fuel economy). Basically, you mentioned a change in consumption, not an absolute figure. If a Holden could do 0.1L/100km, it would be the equivalent of 2353mpg. However, an improvement of 0.1L/100km doesn't convert in the same way. --DeLarge 14:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

To get around the issue all together, I've decided to remove the statement all together, and instead have quoted the official fuel consumption figure: 10.9 L/100 km. OSX 10:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

The article has now had a thorough copyedit, and I think that you will find that all of your issues have been resolved. The entire development section has been totally reorganised, and is now in chronological order. If you strike out your complaints so the FAC director can clearly see that your issues have been taken care of, that would be good. Cheers OSX 00:46, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Mitsubishi FTO page

<cut/paste conversation to User talk:212.159.69.126> (bolded text for benefit of clarity; see below)

Nice how you deleted everything written here, is that so no one can see you are quite happy to prevent FTO owners finding out as much info as they can, you must be on one very serious ego trip.

Nice how you alone can decide what people should be entitled to read, maybe because you have never owned an FTO and never will it has no importance to you.

People like you ruin wikipedia with you nazi approach. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.159.69.126 (talk • contribs) 18:19, April 4, 2007.

Not wishing to violate WP:NPA or WP:CIVIL, but can you read English? The reason I'm asking is that I've written "cut/paste conversation to User talk:212.159.69.126" at the top of this section, with a direct, embedded link to your talk page where I methodically cut/pasted the conversation (including all your spam warnings) to keep it contiguous. It didn't seem to me like overly technical terminology to say so, but if you didn't understand I'll try and rephrase it.

And just to let you know, I have a dedicated talk page for Mitsubishi-related conversations, which is at User talk:DeLarge/Mitsubishi. I was actually planning on moving this section to that daughter page, but in light of your latest comment I thought I'd better give you advance warning lest you suffer a fatally apoplectic fit at my latest demonstration of underhanded censorship. How dare I.

Warmest regards, --Misplaced Pages Obersturmbanführer DeLarge 19:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC) (zieg heil!)

PS Ist es ein bisschen früh im argument nicht, das Gesetz von Godwin aufzurufen?

PPS do these leather shorts make my bum look big?

I guess you feel so much better now quoting Godwin's law, when all you have done is bypassed the fact you are not allowing FTO owners or potential owners find as much info as possible on the model, how are people benefitting from your actions? At least I have a genuine interest in providing as much info as possible without having to inflate my ego, I certainly having nothing personal to gain in fact it costs me money to keep the info out there.

I am only innerested in making ze Vikipedia free of ze linkspam. I am alzo vishing to improve ze articles on goose-stepping, sauerkraut, and putting my towel on ze best spot on ze beach before ze Englander tourists get out of bed in ze morning. --Heinrich von DeLarge 21:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Reverting pages

Hi,

I'm new to this and have probably made some mistakes. This evening, I've made changes to the following pages and it would be really helpful if you could tell me why you've made changes:

• 21:25, 2 April 2007 (hist) (diff) m Frida Kahlo (→Films - rm spamming) (top) - I think the problem here was the link to the website?
• 21:22, 2 April 2007 (hist) (diff) Audio description (Revert to revision 110168711 dated 2007-02-22 22:11:52 by Thijs!bot using popups)
• 21:22, 2 April 2007 (hist) (diff) Sign language (Revert to revision 119192344 dated 2007-03-31 03:06:46 by 65.175.174.150 using popups)

With these two, I'm not sure what the problem is. The film 'Nectar' is one of the few films around that portrays Deaf identity and an individual's journey to embrace sign language. It's been well received by the Deaf community, won various awards at Deaf and disabiility film festivals, so it seems to make sense to list it on a page about sign language. The work that Roaring Girl Productions (a not-for-profit media group) is doing in design of captions, BSL interpretation and audio description is pioneering new approaches to audience access. There's no money to be made in this for me, but I DO want filmmakers and audiences to be able to locate the work and apply it to their own understanding and practice of audience access.

Best, Liz —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zoomuno (talk • contribs) 23:05, April 2, 2007.

I'm afraid the edits fell foul of Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not ("Misplaced Pages is not a...mere collection of external links") and Misplaced Pages:External links ("Links to normally be avoided: #3, Links mainly intended to promote a website" and "#4, Links to sites that primarily exist to sell products or services."). You don't actually have to be trying to make money to fall foul of this; it was the fact that you edited three different pages primarily to add an external link for the purposes of promotion. I've no doubt your project is well-meaning and worthy, but the policies were designed so that Misplaced Pages won't be swamped by thousands of well meaning and worthy projects trying to raise their profile in a similar fashion.

I did leave in the mention of the film in Frida Kahlo as it was appropriate in context, although I had to remove the embedded link. However, you should realise that in the case of Audio description and Sign language, your edits were done more for the benefit of Roaring Girl Productions (a website with products for sale) than the articles themselves.

I hope this clarifies things, and doesn't put you off contributing in future. --DeLarge 22:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not sure whether this is the right route to replying to your message... Thanks for being really constructive on this and I can see the rationale behind the 'What Misplaced Pages is Not' rules and don't want to get into one of those 'well it applies to everyone else but me', but, there is a but... There doesn't seem to be a consistency to how rule 3 is applied. On the Audio Description page, Joe Clark's website is included as a link - it should be because it's a key source of information on film audio description. But then so is the article that my entry leads to. I'm so uninterested in doing a self/organisation promotion, but if Misplaced Pages exists to inform then it makes no sense to exclude either this. I can see that my other entry (Nectar) is more borderline, but don't understand how it's okay to including a link to a film about Frida Kahlo on the FK page, but not okay to include a link to a film about sign language on a SL page. So is the problem because of the way I phrased those entries? What would you suggest as a way forward? I want to post entries that useful and usable, not ones which use up people's time in further edits! L

It's fine to reply here; keeps the conversation in one place.

This argument does get brought up a lot, to the point where an essay was written to counter it. It's aimed at our Deletion section but applies across Misplaced Pages: WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Basically, the existence of something similar on Misplaced Pages isn't justification for inclusion.

To explain why I seemed to "target" you, I'll explain. I spotted your edit via Special:Recentchanges, a page which lists all recent edits to Misplaced Pages and which is heavily monitored by "anti-vandal patrollers". Your edit was only the insertion of an external link, so I checked Special:Contributions/Zoomuno, your history of contributions. You were inserting the same link across multiple articles, and had no editing history prior to this, so I just quickly reverted them (except in the case of Frida Kahlo). Your editing pattern damned you as much as anything else.

Looking at the joeclark.org link on Audio description, I don't see any great value in its inclusion either. However, in its favour are two factors; there doesn't seem to be anything for sale at the linked page (although I may be overlooking that), and Joe Clark himself is User:Joeclark, an active editor and longtime contributor to the article.

What I'd therefore recommend you do, if you feel strongly enough about it, is to leave a message at Talk:Audio description requesting the inclusion of the link. Regular editors to the page can then assess whether or not it's suitable and give you more feedback. However, I wouldn't get my hopes up; from the history of the article, JC has removed several external links in the past, and I don't see any particular benefit to the articles themselves in including yours.

Hope this helps, --DeLarge 08:48, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for this. Will have a read and a think... All the best.

Spammer

Please go ahead with adding an entry to the spam list. It is well over the threshold whatever it is. I am not an admin on Meta, so your entry will be as good as mine and you seems to have better grip on the events Alex Bakharev 13:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Question from your adoptee...

Hi

I'm trying to get involved in editing a particular page (Outdoor Education), but someone else has done a lot of work on it, so I am trying to discuss with them whether and what I can do to the page. I feel there is some phrases that should be removed in particular. However, I posted a comment on the discussion at least a couple of weeks ago and (although he has done some article editing) he's not responded to my comments/questions. Is it appropriate to try and contact him through his user:talk page or should I just be more patient? I don't want to start an edit war with him.

--Vertilly 12:11, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, in the event of an edit war, there's two of us and one of him, haha...

You've done the right thing insofar as you've tried to communicate in advance, and you went to the right place (i.e. the article talk page). If he chooses not to respond he can't complain if you then begin editing, and he certainly can't claim ownership of the article just because he's made a lot of edits. Frankly, looking at the article's history, he'd have made a lot fewer edits if he knew how to use the preview button a bit more often... Feel free to cite WP:BOLD in support of your own contributions (especially the sentence "If you don't want your material to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it").

Although I think you've been more than patient with him, you can leave a message at his talk page. If he doesn't respond to that within a couple of days, jump right in without a second thought. I can assure you that in the event of an edit war, any failure to respond to your extensive good faith attempts to communicate would strongly count against him in the eyes of administrators, who always try to maintain the collabaritive spirit of WP. --DeLarge 16:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice! I'll arm myself with some well written words and do as you suggest! :) --Vertilly 15:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The Original Barnstar

<moved to User:DeLarge/Barnstars>

Deletion review for Template:User no GFDL

Just thought you'd like to know:

A template you participated in a Tfd for (Template:User no GFDL) has subsequently been speedily deleted, and is now under deletion review. Miss Mondegreen | Talk   16:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Adoption?

Hello. I'm relatively new on Misplaced Pages and would really like help learning the ropes. Please respond soon! Awesome Truck Ramp 00:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)Awesome Truck Ramp

(Positive) response left at User talk:Awesome Truck Ramp --DeLarge 07:54, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:ADOPT input

Hello, DeLarge. The Adopt-a-User program is looking for new ideas and input on the program. If you are still interested please stop by the talk page and read some of the ideas being floated and give a comment. If you want to update or change your information on the adopter's list page, now would be a great time! Thanks! V60 03:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

"Little Fatty" AfD/DRV

Please see my response to your comments at User talk:Daniel.Bryant. You have raised some valid points that are worthy of discussion, which should probably occur in the context of AfD, not DRV. Under all the circumstances, I've told the closing administrator that it might be best to reopen and relist the AfD for further discussion, which I hope will be acceptable. Regards, Newyorkbrad 02:04, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Qian Zhijun

You commented on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Qian Zhijun. It has been closed early after a confusing and IMO unfortunate sequence of events. I have now listed it on Deletion Review. You may wish to express your views there. DES 01:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:FordFalconXK01.jpg

Hello, DeLarge. An automated process has found and removed an image or media file tagged as nonfree media, and thus is being used under fair use that was in your userspace. The image (Image:FordFalconXK01.jpg) was found at the following location: User:DeLarge/Bestselling. This image or media was attempted to be removed per criterion number 9 of our non-free content policy. The image or media was replaced with Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg , so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. Please find a free image or media to replace it with, and or remove the image from your userspace. User:Gnome (Bot)-talk 04:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

User:DeLarge/Bestselling

Hi DeLarge! While searching for info in the F-150, I came accross your private page User:DeLarge/Bestselling, very interesting! I just wanted to point a little mistake out: for the brand 'simca', the car that is currently presented is a volvo, not a simca. Have a nice day! (hum, well it's still morning in europe... :-)) Vonvon 08:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Cheers for that. Looks like I did the same with the Saab 900 link as well. If I ever get through copyediting the page to ensure the references are OK then I'll move it into the mainspace. --DeLarge 08:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Qian Zhijun

psst, it just got undeleted. Might want to jump in and fix it up a bit. Don't need to take his name out, but refocusing it on the meme would be ideal. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 02:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC)