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I added the following to the Yue Fei page. I thought you might find it interesting:

History professor He Zongli of Zhejiang University says according to the "Zhong Xin Four Generals" Pictures', painted in the Southern Song Dynasty by Liu Songnian, Yue was more of a scholarly general with a shorter stature and chubbier build than the statue of him currently displayed in his tomb in Hangzhou. This statue portrays him as being tall and skinny.

Shen Lixin, an official with the Yue Fei Temple Administration, holds the portrait of Yue Fei from the "Zhong Xin Four Generals' Pictures" to be the most accurate likeness of the general out of all the existing material about him."

I'm going to write Sal about this as well. (Ghostexorcist 11:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC))

Here is a large version of the "Four Generals of Zhongxing". Yue Fei is the second person from the left (the chubby guy): image:Four_Generals_of_Song.jpg.(Ghostexorcist 11:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC))

JFD

Should we really edit the other's articles ourselves now, JFD? I have refrained thus far though. This might tempt you for a reply with your trademark quotation but these edit wars are completely unnessasary. I'll refrain from editing the "Bodhidharma, the martial arts, and the disputed India connection" article. _{Freedom skies| talk}  18:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I may have a thing or two to say about that but I'm about to devote my full attention to a med cabal case. I have not been attending to it as we're too busy hurling insults at each other until a third party comes up and tells us to go to our rooms and think about what we did, so to speak. Maybe when you take a break from your work and I'm free from tests and everything. _{Freedom skies| talk}  18:27, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

About your "As it stands, the "Opposing theories" does not accurately convey the work of the authors cited. Matsuda, Lin and Ling are concerned with the authenticity of Yi Jin Jing, not with the historicity of Bodhidharma." query, that association was never removed by me at all. The historians are still primarily linked with the Yi Jin Jing.

In my edit I as much as removed a question about Bodhidharma being an entirely fictional charecter. This view is not supported even by the majority within the detrators. Kenny initiated an edit war which would have needlessly spilled over to three articles if cooler heads did not prevail just this once.

Since you have responeded cordially, I will reinstate it to the excellent version as edited by Djma12. I will revert my own edits and revert to a neutral version that (in my opinion) elevated the article from Start class to Class B.

Good luck with your exams.

Thanks, I will probably need all of it if I have to go for a master's degree in a good college.

_{Freedom skies| talk}  07:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Zen

Happy to do what I can, but I'm afraid I'll be away from tomorrow until the end of next week.--MichaelMaggs 22:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I welcome your eagerness for tidying up the Zen article. The article can use tidying up.

My understanding is that the Bodhidharma mention will retain it's status quo and neither parties involved will touch it.

As a courtesy, I'm letting you know that I will add the early Mahayana Buddhism section that I mentioned in the merge proposal to the article as well.

_{Freedom skies| talk}  15:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

It would help if we both waited for Saposcat and Michael. The edits will go more smoothly in their presence. _{Freedom skies| talk} 

Since both of us accuse each other of trying to vandalize the "correct" portrayal of Bodhidharma it would not help if either one of us as much as touches it. I have extended a request to Saposcat to unilaterally edit Bodhidharma to suit the Zen article. I'm sure that he will do an excellent job. _{Freedom skies| talk}  22:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The request to Saposcat. _{Freedom skies| talk}  05:23, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

You made yourself perfectly clear. Most of Bodhidharma in it's current form in the Zen article is good enough to stay. His place of honor in Zen tradition will need a mention.

As for the connection of Bodhidharma with Buddhism "as a whole", his role in the spread and influence of Buddhism in East Asia ought to suffice. Outside of Zen Buddhism, buddhist philosophies still do not find adequate followers in China and Japan.

"The Buddhism of China" has more to do with the influence of Zen on Chinese Buddhism than comparing Zen with other schools.

_{Freedom skies| talk}  11:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

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Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, David Mestel 21:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Your evidence on India-Pakistan case

Hey. I would appreciate if you didnt, "jump the list" on the evidence present page. Please move your evidence to the bottom of the list. It works like a queue. So if you came here after me, you will have to post your evidence below mine.
Thank you - --Unre4Lﺍﹸﻧﺮﮮﺍﻝ 23:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Zen

You can do with some archiving, friend. My response is given here when you find time to read it. _{Freedom skies| talk}  18:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Calm down, you sound very angry. I never called you a Taoist so you're imagining things. Your last message was vitriolic. Try to keep a cool head, JFD.

_{Freedom skies| talk}  23:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

It would have helped if you provided actual suggestions, JFD. Judging by this post you seem genuinely stressed. The factual accuracy of this post is debatable as well but at this point I won't be combative. Listen, if this seems too stressful then I can agree on a mutual wikibreak for a couple of days to help us both relax a bit. Kindly do me the courtesy of letting me know if you accept. I have refrained from commenting to your last paragraph in the manner that I originally would have and have provided a proposal which will incorporate your suggestion as well. Please relax. _{Freedom skies| talk}  01:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

A short note ...

I'm moving the discussion between you and Freedom skies onto the Zen talk page, as it really belongs there for all to see, rather than hidden away on my talk page. Once I've done the move, I'm going to make a few brief comments as time allows. Cheers. —Saposcat 11:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

your comments on the ArbCom case

Hi JFD - I deeply appreciate your comments and support. Thank you - don't worry about the progress of the case. The outcome, whatever it is, will only benefit Misplaced Pages. Rama's arrow 15:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the revision, btw :-) Djma12 01:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Zen

Many thanks for complimenting my work. Coming from you it means a great deal. Since no support seems to be forthcoming on Zen may I propose that we both work this out between ourselves? We have done it before and our relations have rarely been more cordial. Since both our positions are known and we have worked on similar topics multiple times before I don't think it's going to be a problem at all. Kindly let me know. Also, I can't find time for long discussions on multiple articles in foreseeable future. You watch my contribs and you'll note the many messages I sent indicating either uninvolvement or hinting a wrap up. Kindly help me do just that, wrap up prior commitments and not make any new ones that I cannot keep due to constraints of time. Extending genuine regards, _{Freedom skies| talk}  02:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Foreign Influence article

Please note that I have moved the conversation to the page's discussion page. See you there!

Djma12 23:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies

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An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | 02:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I -think- now you have to ask whether they want to be a party. I know that in one of the previous cases, arbitrators had to allow someone to be added in as a party because there was an injunction about the case. - Penwhale | 13:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Go right ahead. CiteCop 15:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

You've done a commendable job gathering evidence and you've worked very hard on organizing it but, if you'll allow me to be blunt, you've gathered so much evidence that it's swallowing up some of the points you're trying to make. CiteCop 21:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again for your work on this - I don't know if you've looked at Talk:Papermaking, where MT set up a RfC, which he then invited PR to comment on, which he duly did. Both behaved very badly in various ways during this. Also MT was highly abusive to me at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of Chinese inventions. I could comment at the above if you think it useful. Johnbod 14:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Will do - not right now, but in next 24 hrs I expect. Johnbod 15:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I see what you mean - but it's already too late isn't it? Johnbod 16:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Done Johnbod 17:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Arbitration

I don't know about you, but I am an open minded person. Wiki Raja 04:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you provide me a source to show me when I said that and to whom? Also, please stop harassing me on my talk page. Thank you. Wiki Raja 07:08, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Psst. SiflOlly 18:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Zhou Tong a confucian?

I’ve been corresponding with experts in Chinese history, Literature, and folktales about my research on Zhou Tong. Prof. Peter Lorge from Vanderbilt University suggests that Zhou might have been a Confucian-scholar because archery is one of their “Six Arts”. The Yue Fei Zhuan only says he taught Yue Fei archery and not martial arts. So its very possible what Prof. Lorge suggests is true. He told me I should read the book Chinese Archery to find more info on Confucians and their archery. I was scanning Google books and found a book on Mi Fu (1051-1107) that mentions how he was friends with a certain Zhou Tong who was a “principal graduate” (Jinshi, 1076 CE) of some government exams. I’m still waiting on the author of that book to reply with this Zhou’s Chinese characters. Even if they did match up doesn’t mean they were the same person. But it’s still interesting. (Ghostexorcist 23:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC))

indrancroos

Sneaky, sneaky fellow.Bakaman 18:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Meir Shahar

I've been corresponding with Prof. Shahar for a little bit now and he thinks my research into the comparison of the history and folklore of Yue Fei and Zhou Tong is very fascinating. He told me that it would be good for a MA or PhD thesis. He also recommended some books for me to read. Prof. Shahar also suggested that I read the section on Yue fei in his book on Shaolin, which isn’t coming out until 2008 now. I was happy when he closed his letter with “Best wishes for success in your research, Please do keep in touch.” (Ghostexorcist 19:19, 16 April 2007 (UTC))

I sent you a reply. (Ghostexorcist 20:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC))

Stanley Henning said Ma Mingda, the author of that book recommended by Shahar, is his mentor of martial arts history. He sees him every years. Stan reviewed the book in China Review International, Vol 11, No. 1, Spring 2004, 141-145. (Ghostexorcist 22:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC))

Do you have access to MUSE articles? (Ghostexorcist 22:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC))

Re: RFCU

Ask on the workshop page or the evidence talk page. - Penwhale | 01:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

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• Freedom skies is placed on standard revert parole for one year. He is limited to one revert per page per week, excepting obvious vandalism. Further, he is required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page.
• Freedom skies shall select one account and use only that account. Any other account used may be indefinitely banned. Pending selection of an account Freedom skies may not edit Misplaced Pages.
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For the Arbitration Committee --Srikeit 18:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note re User:Moerou_toukon and Gunpowder / Black powder. The British references that he uses, e.g. Buchanan (2006), Gunpowder, Explosives and the State: a Technological History and Elliott (1875), The History of India as told by its own Historians, Volume VI, are valid; and I have copies. I will check in detail the weight and context that he gives to them, but there will be a slight delay whilst I do this. Pyrotec 18:19, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

JFD

I have to ask you to stop appearing on topics that you have not edited on and I have and then go on to revert every single one of my changes. Pasta is a good article; and you have put this warning on the article damaging my standing and reputation. You have also been appearing in articles where you have never appeared before and reverting changes made by my alternative accounts. In this version you vandalized the article so that the section began with "One this basis he suggested that the machine in question was a noria and that it was the first water powered prime mover" without any lead or explainations. I see that you have blanked a history section attributed to the LSU professor Subhash Kak as well.

Refrain from vandalism; refrain from flagging my edits for revert; and refrain from appearing where you have not appeared before and marking my changes for revert with malicious intent.

Failing to do so will lead to the actions of the last few days being revealed to the arbcom; these are actions where you personally attack me and then go on put tags on articles like "Pasta" and "Watermill" with which you have had little or no dealing except indiscriminately vandalizing my edits. Between 03:32, 5 May 2007 and 00:41, 6 May 2007 you have had nothing to do on wikipedia but to flag my articles for revert; this conduct will be reported if it persists.

It would be best if the contact between the two of us remained minimum; possibly non existant.

_{Freedom skies| talk}  02:01, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

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"Praxis" versus "Practice"

I would still prefer it because—as I've also just mentioned over on Talk:Zen—I do feel that it's ever so slightly more accurate (but, as you say, somewhere inside that "ever so slightly" there really is "a world of difference"). I'm not vehemently opposed to "practice" or anything—it is a less specialist word, thus somewhat clearer if also somewhat less exact (as I see things, at least)—but personally I'd still opt for "praxis". Cheers. —Saposcat 18:29, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Gunpowder

Hi JFD,

As you left a note about Gunpowder on my talk page, I have replied to you on my talk page. By all means make changes. I don't intend to do very much in the next fortnight, but don't expect to find a definite statement in either Asitesh Buttacharya or Iqtidar Alam Khan on who invented gunpowder. They are interesting articles worth reading; the whole book is worth reading. Pyrotec 23:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Comic book

I've found a Chinese website where you can download Zhou Tong's Lianhuanhua-style comic book for free! Needless to say, I was one happy boy! So here it is:

http://ebook.wtoa.com/list.aspx?boardid=5

When you click on the page, you will see a list of (1 - 30). You want (7 - 9). Just click on the link and then the "download" link on the next page. It's in RAR format, so hopefully you've got that program. You can only download it 3 volumes at a time and it takes about 25 minutes for each set of three. After it downloads, the WINRAR window will open and it will have the volumes listed on the left hand side. When you click on each individual volume number, another box will pop up asking for a password. The password is:

www.52ebook.com

Just cut and paste that address into the box. I kind of found that out on my own since it doesn't give you the password on the main website (or at least I didn't see it).

The presentation of each volume is really neat. The cover appears in the middle of your computer screen and when you click the corner of it, the page peels back like a real book. It's a Lianhuanhua-style comic book, meaning its got lots of big pictures, but only a few lines of text at the very bottom of the page. It's in Chinese, so you will need someone to help you read it.

Here is another tip, when the comic book appears in the middle of the screen, press "Ctrl-A" so an "exit box" will appear in the top right corner. This is so you can exit off of it when you are done. Happy reading! (Ghostexorcist 00:24, 13 May 2007 (UTC))

how to find a Xingyiquan teacher?

How does one find a Xingyiquan teacher? I'm looking for a teacher in LA. Someone suggested go to the park in China town. Do you have any other ideas? Tkjazzer 00:53, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I'm trying to figure out where authentic instructors are and find a style I like and go with it. I really enjoy Shorin-ryu Shido-kan but I can't make it over to Long Beach to one of the affiliated dojos. I was hoping to find some nice martial arts between Pasadena and Chinatown / little Tokyo. I thought I would check out CMA. Tkjazzer 01:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

thanks

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