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Nominal GDP stock index

Elonka, I am new to the Misplaced Pages world and still learning. The subject is currently under review by a major index company. Please do not delete. References will be added shortly. Thanks B Leclere.

PS: I noticed a message entitled "Profitip spam?". This message originated from somebody whose main contributions go for a competing project... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Profitip (talk • contribs) 10:31, March 23, 2007 (UTC)

Danny RFA

Thanks for making one of the more eloquent oppose votes in the whole page, IMO. I agree with the vast majority of what you say there, even though my conclusion as to Danny's candidacy differs. I personally feel that Danny was asked to handle a workload way greater than he should have (or took it on personally without being asked) and the stress of it caused errors that I believe would not happen as a regular admin. I could be wrong, though, most certainly. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 09:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Elonka Dunin, it's a shame in my view that you weren't banned for your disgraceful behaviour during the naming conventions dispute. 12.154.210.2 00:42, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Matt Sanchez

Elonka, I see you asked for reliable sources that Matt admitted to having been a hooker. The audio, which I transcribed has Alan Colmes asking him "You were a male prositute" and he responds "That as well". That *used* to be part of his article. It was cited to that show with the audio feed and was removed. Now do you not think that Alan (and Matt himself) is a reliable source and that we should include that bit? That the excellent-top.com website was registered at the same address when Matt Sanchez himself was registered was also cited and reported and removed. Those citations are to Alexa.com and the US Public Records Database at ancestry.com, both reliable sources. So now what do you think? You think someone's trying to game this? Wjhonson 04:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that the word "prostitute" can mean different things to different people, and that if a Misplaced Pages article is going to call someone that, we had better be 100% sure of our sources. --Elonka 19:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't disagree with that, which is why I've been pushing to simply use a direct quote from the Radio show, right out of Matt's own mouth. By the way, since you've not contributed for several days does that mean you're done with this article? There are more things to agree upon than just the current wording. Quite a lot was removed and if you want to go back through it piece-by-piece you'll need to come back to the Talk page. Wjhonson 23:38, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

User:DreamGuy

DreamGuy has become upset with me, and it seems like at one point he may have thought I was you (see diff). Is there any reason for that? Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 05:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Matt Sanchez

I've had to protect this article from editing due to revert warring. I see from the talkpage that you have been involved in mediating this dispute previously. I am trying to start fresh discussions on the talkpage so that a version can be arrived at that meets WP:BLP and WP:NPOV that the parties can agree on. Any input would be appreciated. WjBscribe 04:26, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

"Mediating" would be an incorrect term in this case.Wjhonson 04:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Your removal of comments left by one editor on another editors talk page is out-of-line. Please refrain from the removal of other editors comments unless they are targeted specifically at you and are libelous. Merely sniping does not pass this bar. Wjhonson 03:22, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

(blink) Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about? Please provide a diff. --Elonka 03:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

I appreciate your comments at User:ALM scientist/Is wikipedia Anti-Islam. It is currently pathetic shape. I will rewrite it and double the number of references. I will appreciate your help and guidannce. I might file arbitration case after finishing it to resolve Muhammad picture dispute. --- A. L. M. 10:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

RFA nomination

Now that the problems are over on Gnostic Gospels... I was reading your user page and noticed the desire to be nominated. Not sure how much weight by nomination would carry but I'd be happy to nominate and describe what I saw. jbolden1517 17:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, you are very kind to offer.  :) My guess is that if/when I go for admin again, it's going to be a high-participation debate, so having a strong nominator is definitely an important consideration. But multiple co-nominations couldn't hurt! Have you ever done an admin nom before? --Elonka 17:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I've done 2, I'm 1:1. OTOH I'm not a strong nominator, and so if you've made enemies I can't help (not won't just can't). Sorry I'll still vote for you though (or co-nominate if you think that's useful). jbolden1517 17:38, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Undeletion request

Hello, I noticed that an article that I'd created quite some time ago, Raleigh Muns, was recently speedied. To my knowledge, the subject clearly passes WP:BIO, and the article was well-referenced and stable. Was it perhaps the victim of some type of vandalism? In any case, I would appreciate if you could please undelete it, thanks. Elonka 07:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. I don't think it would pass an AfD, but I'm going to err on the side of not speedying. --Selket 07:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Johnyajohn

What do you think of this New Yorker (Hasan K, Steve P. or whatever name it is)? If they are the same people, he seems to be on a crusade against you. 68.174.13.231, 66.108.46.97, Johnyajohn, 12.0.30.180, 68.175.78.96, 68.175.70.126, and possibly Global.wiki as well. He really dislikes tags. I am happy that I don't have an article that can be AFD'ed. Deniz_C 03:42, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Logan High School (Utah)

Just a quick thank you for your opinion and fixing of the Logan High School (Utah) article. I had previously been attempting to keep the teacher roster off, but an anonymous user kept reverting, and for some reason that got to me. WP:3RR came up, and even an admin got involved, so it was nice to finally get a voice that agreed. Thanks! Jmlk17 07:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Santa Monica

Guess a "Hi neighbor" would be good way to start (I'm down in South Bay, Hawthorne). Outside of the fact that subjects should never have anything to do with their own pages or related items (because it can get very messy and tricky, see the stuff that goes on with the co-creators of this very enterprise for a lesson on that), I would have to say that simply being a native by birth is enough (I'm going to avoid the really touchy "notable" part because that section hasn't gotten unwieldy...yet). I think the only exception to the born or raised there rule would be if someone became noted for being a resident of a certin place, like Andy Warhol in New York.

Well, I've been online far too long on such a glorious day, so I need to say bye and get my tuchus planted on a bike seat going anywhere... RoyBatty42 23:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Your talk comment

Thank you for your comments. I appreciate it. And I appreciate that you kept an open mind during the adversarial process ;) Wjhonson 03:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

My article to meet WikiProject Soap Opera standards

Hello, Elonka, my soap opera couple article J.R. and Babe was nominated for deletion, but that was before I cleaned it up. However, it's still nominated. I was wondering if you could tell me if it meets WikiProject Soap Opera standards, and if not, what can I do to ensure that it does? Also, how can I join WikiProject Soap Opera? Just sign my name under the list of participants? I'm definitely willing to help clean up some soap articles. Flyer22 23:28, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use image use and sandboxes

Re : No, there isn't. The way this is supposed to be handled is that while the article is in development in the sandbox, the images should be linked, not displayed. --Durin 16:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

J.R. Chandler and Babe Carey up for new deletion debate

As a commentor in the Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/J.R. Chandler and Babe Carey debate, I thought you might want to know that the debate has been re-started at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/J.R. Chandler and Babe Carey (2nd nomination) because of significant changes in the article during the debate. Mangojuice 17:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Elonka

I'm thinking that we should keep the title about Babe's fake death, but instead of titling it what it was when I created it, it just be Babe's Fake Death. Flyer22 22:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• Do you feel that the section that was about J.R.'s recovery should be combined into the love triangle section? If you removed the "Recovering, Giving Babe Another Chance" section, I agree.

It looks like a little gap is left there though. Flyer22 22:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• Where you mention "but Josh helped him to again rekindle his love for Babe" in the J.R, Babe, Jish love triangle section...did you mean Tad? Or were you saying that since Josh had saved J.R's life?

I'll go ahead and replace Josh's name with Tad's name, since stating Josh would be a bit confusing to some viewers of the show.Flyer22 23:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Buffy Summers

Hi, you recently pointed out that the "Spike (Buffyverse)" article contained too much plot summary. I was wondering if the Buffy Summers page suffered from the same problem, since it seems just as long as Spike's page. Also, I recently edited the Dawn Summers and Rupert Giles to contain more detail, and am now worried I overdid it. Any advice/feedback on how to improve these pages? Thanks. Paul730 16:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I tried to shorten Dawn's history, what do you think? BTW, what sources aren't shown; there's links to episodes but I don't know what else you mean. Also, I don't really know what you mean by overly long plot summaries. I looked at FA articles and found Link from Legend of Zelda. His page has loads of in-universe stuff, but is still an "FA". Also, Captain Marvel's page has lots of plot summary; just split up with lots of sub-headings. Is it because the Buffy pages don't have enough out-of-universe stuff to counter-balance the in-universe stuff? How much plot summary is too much? I tried to shorten Dawn's to one paragraph a season but I still had to explain her confusing origin, so it was still pretty long. What do you want us to do with Buffy's page? Shorten it to one paragraph a season, or condense everything into one little paragraph? If you could please be more specific on what you think should be done to these pages, because I'm kind of confused... Paul730 20:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

IMs...? Sorry, I only recently got the internet, so I'm pretty new to all this. Oh, and as you might have have noticed, I'm a hardcore Buffy geek, so I'm too happy about your comment that Dawn doesn't deserve her own page... How dare you! She's Dawnie for crying out loud! :) Paul730 21:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Reword

• Yeah, Elonka, one of us should probably re-word that part in which states..."In 1992, after ABC executives decided that the show needed new blood, and promoted Agnes Nixon's protege Megan McTavish to the position of head writer, McTavish began adding new dimensions to the show. As part of this, she created the character of Babe Carey, who first appeared in the fictional town of Pine Valley in 2003."

• I mean, Megan McTavish was promoted, but then she left, and then came back, where at around the point of 2003 she created the character of Babe Carey. You think it sounds confusing the way it's worded at this moment?

After the part where it says..."McTavish began adding new dimensions to the show"...we should state something such as..."A little later"...Or "Some time after that, she created the character of Babe Carey, who first appeared in the fictional town of Pine Valley in 2003."

Or something along those lines. It'd probably be best to find another way to place that internal-link that links to the article about McTavish infuriating fans. I say that because she didn't infuriate fans to that extent until until around the year of 2003 and so up. Or maybe that link should stay where it is since it seems to start off from McTavish first changing the show to some significant degree. Flyer22 04:29, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

• Elonka, did you reply to me? My account said New Messages, but I couldn't find your message. Flyer22 04:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes, but not at the top of the page. To check, you can look at the history of the page, or my contribs, or look here: . Also, when you get the "New Messages" box, you can click on "diff" to see just what was added.  :) --Elonka 04:46, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

• Oh, I checked the history page, that's how I got your first internal message, but I guess I got lost after that.

• The date to the SID Top ten list is from the 5/22/07 issue. If it's really important for me to find out the publisher, or for the date to show up on that scan of the poll, I'll ask barb of the marybarb Jacob Young site to either give me the information on that, or see if she can scan the Top 10 list in a way that at least shows the date of the article. That is, if it's necessary. Flyer22 05:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  • What's SID? --Elonka 05:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

• It stands for Soaps In Depth. And SOD, when it comes to soap operas, stands for Soap Opera Digest.

Do you watch the show General Hospital? It seemed like you did/do. I don't necesarily watch that show, but I got the impression that you did/do.

Certainly not everyone who watches a soap opera knows what SID is though. My mother doesn't either. She knows of soap opera magazines called Soaps In Depth or Soap Opera Digest, but not their nicknames. Flyer22 05:46, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Pauline Fowler

Hey Elonka. I've reduced the storyline section substantially, by about 6000 characters. When you get the change can you let us know what you think on the talk page. Regards. Gungadin 19:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Images

As you should be aware, under the current Misplaced Pages:Non-free content guidelines, non-free images of living people are not acceptable. There is no meaningful commentary of Image:Miranda Kerr.jpg. Several of your other uploads have the same issue, ie. they are being used simply to illustrate the appearance of a person (examples of unacceptable use 8). Also, if you receive permission to use an image that permission needs to be registered with the foundation, see Misplaced Pages:Example requests for permission and Misplaced Pages:Successful requests for permission, if permission doesn't allow the image to be freely used then the image cannot be on wikipedia. --Peta 07:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Style of writing

Hi, I just wanted to ask your advice on something. I recently re-wrote Willow, Giles, and Dawn's pages quite drastically, and am now working on Xander's. However, I am not sure exactly how these articles are supposed to be written; the Buffy Summers page does not reference any episodes and as such reads more smoothly. But then, that same page has a "primarily in-universe style... clean-up yada yada" box on it suggesting that that shouldn't be how articles are supposed to be written. I'm trying to work from what has already been written on these pages, but each page is written in a slightly different style. Should character histories be written from the perspective that the charcter is real, without referencing individual episodes? Or should it be written from a "real world" perspective. For example, in the Willow page, it mentions that Will and Tara have one of the longest lesbian relationships in TV history. But the Buffy page has no references to the real world whatsoever. I want the Buffy pages to be consistant with each other, so what do you think? BTW, I also asked this question to Nalvage since he seems like an expert on the Buffy pages, but I wanted to get your opinion too since you were the one who put the box thingy there. Paul730 17:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

The aladin image

Just out of curiousity, have you noticed the guy on the talk page and his claims? Does it come under fair use for us to use it with it being released by the National Geographic or whatever...we could always use an image off the DVD sample...Englishrose 17:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

What I was thinking of, if we take a screenshot of the DVD (or the DVD sample, a sample of what's on the DVD from the Book of Cool site) then it's classed as fair use because it's a screenshot. Englishrose 20:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

There's a sample of the DVD showing you what's on from the Book of Cool site, as the sample comes from the DVD, it's classed as DVD screenshot if you see my meaning. Englishrose 20:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorted :-). Ooooh, wait there's one more thing to add. His IMDb link. Englishrose 21:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Willow

Hi, I've been working a lot recently on the Willow Rosenberg page, and was wondering if you could take a look at it and give some feedback for improvements. Also, quick question, when you're making links to other wiki pages, do you have to make a link every time a word is repeated? For expample, every time Buffy is mentioned on Willow's page, should I link to the Buffy Summers page? Cos that seems a little excessive.  :) Paul730 15:25, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your comments, advice and offer of more help. I don't have the spectacular curriculum vitae that you do, but I went and turned my link blue! Marieblasdell 00:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Juice Plus

Elonka, I appreciate the olive branch. I have laid out some of the history behind the adverse event section to illustrate my position more clearly. I hope you understand why I have been so insistent. If you wish to discuss specific issues regarding the content in the AE section, please outline them on the talk page rather than deleting the section again. Rhode Island Red 06:50, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Red

I'm not familiar with the wikipedia mechanisms here; I have just had a look at the WP:RfC (redirected to Checkuser, I think), which requires that the appropriate warnings be issued before using RfC as the "last resort". Have such official warning been issued? I'm sure we're past the "assume good faith" stage with 'Red'; has he contravened e.g. the "three revert rule" on the "Adverse effects" deletions?

If we are to request that the powers that be check his behaviour, then it needs to be clear that all procedures (whatever they are!) have been followed correctly. He seems to have plenty of time at his disposal, so if any such request is started it will be a long and wearisome process. Would a warning based on WP:OWN w.r.t. the Juice Plus article be appropriate? I will gladly support you to try to stop what I consider to be his abuse of WP here, but I bow to your greater experience with such things. Is there a checklist/process description to use? TraceyR 07:08, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

See also User_talk:EdJohnston#Juice_Plus. I regret that RIR is so attached to the Adverse Effects section, which I believe we could do without. I haven't received any news of a possible change of heart. EdJohnston 22:27, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Elonka, I'm truly grateful for (and amazed at) the work you are putting into getting the Juice Plus article back on track. I am quite optimistic that we can get a balanced and objective article at the end of the mediation process. TraceyR 23:50, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Juice Plus

Erm, I'm a bit confused by your revert at Juice Plus? I agree that Misplaced Pages is not a democracy, but we have a situation where every single editor on the talkpage is against the inclusion of that "Adverse Effects" section, and the only editor who wants it, is Rhode Island Red (talk · contribs), who has clear WP:OWN issues (just look at his contribs). I agree that Matthew's comments were out of line, but that doesn't change the fact of talkpage consensus. --Elonka 01:01, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I reverted the article because the information was cited. I would rather have information that is cited left up on the article page then no information at all. I really don't care about the outcome of the article, except that the information is cited. Their is no reason to remove cited information. If you would like you may revert back to the version before mine; I have no problems with that. Just remember WP:V and WP:CITE. I will leave this article up to the the Mediation council, to the editors working on this article, and to the admins to sort everything out. Thanks! --T_{Talk to me} 01:08, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Further help

Hi Elonka, thanks for all your help on the Pauline Fowler article. I would be interested to hear your comments on two other eastenders articles, Phil Mitchell and Grant Mitchell (EastEnders). They have possibly the longest real world context sections of any of our character articles, so I would like to get them promoted to GA level at some stage. I'm sure you wont like the storyline sections (Grant's storylines arent referenced yet and the Phil is long), but i'd still be interested to hear what improvements you think we can make. Gungadin 17:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I need your help

Could you please point me in the right direction to where I can request a policy to be changed? I really don't think that articles about past characters and TV shows that have ended should be written in present tense, and I want to get the policy on that changed. Could you help me out? -Trampikey 20:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for starting up the tense discussions, and for the advice about Misplaced Pages politics! I've added my two cents to the two discussions, so hopefully they'll get a response. Also, I'd like to take this chance to say sorry for the way I reacted to you when you first suggested changes to Pauline Fowler - and thanks for helping me out a lot despite this! -Trampikey 21:48, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Inivte and barnstar

WikiProject EastEnders

Hello! You look like someone who might be interested in joining the EastEnders WikiProject and so I thought I'd drop you a line and invite you! We'd love to have you help us :-)

	Links for Wikipedians interested in EastEnders content
Register: Participants of the EastEnders WikiProject - EastEnders WikiProject - EastEnders Portal

-Trampikey 23:17, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		For helping out with Pauline Fowler, and for pointing me in the right direction and giving me valuable advice. -Trampikey 23:17, 27 May 2007 (UTC)