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User:Reddi

Reddi (talk · contribs) is back after what I am told is a one year probation on editing science-related articles. His arbitration case can be found at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Reddi 2 with a final decision in arbitration case that was a finding of Disruptive editing, 3RR violations, Uncommunicative, Edit warring.

New examples are:

• Uncommunicative editing and adding of non-sourced POV edits wile ignoring extensive talk on subject and ignoring requests to justify edits:

• 3RR violations and Edit warring:

• It had been noted in the previous case that Reddi seemed to have an MO of supporting his "mission to give minority or fringe views in science" by changing "the main articles in the field" in a way "which may mislead our readers". Reddi showed a continuation of this MO when he went on an "jag" consisting of 89 individual edits in an 11 hr period that totally rewrote the basic article on Radio astronomy that took the article from this to this . The edits consist of a massive POV-push to re-define Radio astronomy (including re-writing the basic definition) so that purported observations by Nikola Tesla (re:Teslascope) could be couched as "Radio astronomy".

• Many notifications in talk citing continual disruptive editing consisting of continually reformatting references to non-standard format:

Halfblue 03:16, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry you seem to have something against me ... several people don't.

The prior arbitration case is over. The previous terms have expired.

I am trying to be communicative (such as in this link Talk:Teslascope history) ... editing and adding sourced NPOV edits while engagining in extensive talk.

J. D. Redding 03:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Administrator response: There appears to be some recurrence of some of the problematic editing patterns noted in the case, but as you point out, the one-year probation and revert parole both expired a couple of months ago. The remedies in the decision also provide that "any three administrators, for good cause, may extend either Reddi's ban or probation in one year increments," but it is not clear to me that this can be done after the original one-year term has expired. If all the remedies have expired, you would have to bring this to ANI or to dispute resolution as a new matter rather than treat it as arbitration enforcement (which of course is not to say that the prior history would be ignored). Leaving here for additional admin input. Newyorkbrad 03:25, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

User:Infinity0

Infinity0 (talk · contribs) started to make reverts without discussing them on talk pages. On May 24 he made three such reverts 1, 2 and 3. Two of them were on anarchism related pages. His arbitration case can be found here.

Also, he created an account called AnarchoKapitalismus just for mocking anarcho-capitalism. I'm not sure whether that can be put under "inappropriate insertion of anarchy related material", but I think it violates WP:NOT and constitutes disruptive behavior. -- Vision Thing -- 13:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I apologise for edit number one; I was too hasty. I have since changed it to hopefully a more NPOV version which includes material I deleted.

For edit number two, changes have been discussed on the talk page of a different article, Talk:Anarchism - the same issues apply. Also, Vision Thing reverted without discussion first, and he reverted not only me but another user - see the edit's history and talk page. I posted my reasons for my edits on the talk page and the edit summary, and there was no response by Vision Thing at all before he reverted. So, Vision Thing is requesting that I discuss changes on the talk page, when he is the one that made the first discussionless revert? Hypocritical and gaming the system - just because I happen to be on revert parole.

For edit number three, the Lysander Spooner article, I was reverting the sockpuppet of a banned user. See Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Billy Ego.

I would like to point out that the vast majority of cases I have been discussing reverts on talk pages.

Around 1 in 10* of Vision Thing's past 500 (and very likely even more, but i didn't bother to check) edits have been reversions of various articles to versions which supports his own point of view after editors have attempt to correct to NPOV - see . All the above edits listed of mine were cancellations of Vision Thing's original unexplained and undiscussed reversions; in particular the edits to Anarchism have been agreed with by multiple editors, see Talk:Anarchism#Culling_the_source-spam.

My article at User:AnarchoKapitalismus is a direct response to Vision Thing's own User:Vision Thing/Anarcho-capitalism which he lifted from banned user User:Anarcho-capitalism.

I have followed all of my arbitration requests such as 1RR. My activity is only on appropriate pages which my arbitration allows. -- infinity0 21:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

*counting "rv" in edits; not including strings of "content edits" which are actually reverts, such as this

You have removed 26774 bytes (almost half of the article) of the sourced content from Anarchism and anarcho-capitalism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) without even a word of explanation on discussion page. You were put on parole just because of such edits. Your edits to Anarchism are also troubling but I haven't reported you for them. -- Vision Thing -- 15:36, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Those bytes were POV-pushing from banned sockpuppet User:Anarcho-capitalism, and must be removed because they severely unbalance the article. You seem to paint a picture of me being some sort of fanatical POV-pusher but it is you who has been watching numerous articles and reverting edits you do not like. My edits to anarchism have either been overwhelmingly supported by people from WP:3O whose input you ignored; or they have been minor edits to improve balance, but you delete even those anyway without any sort of reasonable explanation. -- infinity0 12:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

That is simply not true. That content was in the article before User:Anarcho-capitalism started to edit it (easily established from this old version of the article and article's history). -- Vision Thing -- 13:21, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

User:Dacy69

Dacy69 has violated his parole:

Dacy69 is on Arbcom parole, stating that he has to accompany ever revert with a comment on the talk page:

He violated it on Armenian-Tatar massacres. He reverted yet left no response on the talk page: Azerbaijani 23:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I should not leave message if this is vandalism or edit by newcomer who destroyed the page And it is obvious that edit was done in violation of wiki stadard on page you mentioned--Dacy69 14:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

This is not vandalism Dacy: The user simply added a quote from a book, it was misplaced, but it certainly wasnt vandalism and could easily have been corrected, it didnt "destroy" the page, and it wasnt in violation of Wiki standards at all. The user is registered and has so far made three edits (including the one Dacy reverted) and so far he has committed no vandalism, and the information he/she has added has been sourced.Azerbaijani 15:10, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I can argue about this edit on relevant talkpage. But it definitely does not fit the proper form. Anyway, another his edits was reverted and not by me . But it will be nice if you teach him some Wiki rules as you like doing that.--Dacy69 15:54, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

He hasnt broken any Wiki rules and he has not committed a single act of vandalism yet.Azerbaijani 16:14, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Selket issued a warning but says he is unsure what response another admin may have.Azerbaijani 16:18, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

This was resolved by the admin at 3RR board, Dacy69 was warned: Grandmaster 05:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Administrator response: Resolved for now. All parties to the Armenia-Azerbaijan case are strongly urged to abide by their revert paroles, work together constructively, and avoid edit-warring. Newyorkbrad 03:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

User:Pigsonthewing

• Arbcom parole violation on Sutton Coldfield (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views).

Pigsonthewing (talk · contribs) has been placed on a revert parole by the Arbitration Committee. The final decision in his case is here. He is limited to one revert per page per week, excepting simple vandalism. However he reverted edits of other users to Sutton Coldfield four times in 10 minutes.

• Previous version reverted to: 15:59, 21 May 2007
• 1st revert: 09:52, 22 May 2007
• 2nd revert: 09:57, 22 May 2007
• 3rd revert: 09:59, 22 May 2007
• 4th revert: 10:02, 22 May 2007

The admin who dealt with the AIV report did not class the edits as simple vandalism, as can be seen here. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 12:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, rather. "POV vandalism" is not a concept that really makes sense, especially not here, which is clearly a content dispute between differing points of view. I scarcely count as uninvolved with this editor, however, and am reluctant to take any action myself. Moreschi 12:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

The revert parole expired after one year, see here. However, this looks like it could be reported as a standard 3RR violation. In addition, I recently banned Andy from adding or removing infoboxes or editing infobox templates for a month . I am extending this to a month from today and expanding it to ban editing of infoboxes and their contents as well. The ban may be enforced by blocking if necessary. Thatcher131 13:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

"I am extending this" - On what grounds? 3RR excludes fixing vandalism. I note that you still ignore requests to answer the point I put to you on my talk page. Andy Mabbett 13:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

However, if you look at this, he was also banned for a year. So, presumably, the one revert per week limit for one year started after the one-year ban ended, and is therefore stll ongoing. My thoughts have been posted on the article talk page. L.J.Skinner 15:25, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Generally arbitration remedies are served concurrently unless specifically stated. See here for more. Thatcher131 15:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

So why bother rule separately? It would seem obvious to me that if he is banned for a year, in that time he will not be able to revert! L.J.Skinner 17:25, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

"Penis" and "fuck you" edits are vandalism. A dispute over the description of a town is not vandalism but a content dispute, and there is no such thing as "POV vandalism." (Hint, POV describes a content dispute. You may wish to note that an admin who had a habit of blocking people for "POV vandalism" gave up his adminship after overwhelming criticism for this tactic.) There are many forms of dispute resolution. You can file a checkuser request and ask to have the user blocked as a sockpuppet; you can file an RFC; you can report him to the admins' noticeboard; you can ask for mediation. If mediation and RFC fail you can file an arbitration request. (You might be interested in Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Gundagai editors, in which an anonymous editor who held very strong views on certain topics and had a problem with incivility and original research was eventually banned, after an RFC failed to modify her behavior.) Edit warring and reverting is not a form of dispute resolution. As always, I invite review by any other admin. Thatcher131 13:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

None of which answer my question: "On what grounds?" Andy Mabbett 13:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

You weren't fixing vandalism, you were involved in a content dispute. Thatcher131 13:27, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Disputed, but that still doesn't answer my question: How is that grounds for extending your infobox ban (itself disputed...)? Andy Mabbett 13:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Can we have a definate ruling on this please? L.J.Skinner 23:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

• Administrator response Under this clarification, Pigsonthewing's revert parole remains in effect until 25 January 2008 (one year fromt the expiration of his one year ban). I am therefore rescinding the above topical bans, as the revert parole is a better way to deal with this problem. Action will not be taken for reverts made before this date, because he has not been warned. Future violation of the one revert per article per week limit may be reported here or at the 3RR noticeboard for blocking. Note that the appropriate response is generally brief blocking, escalaiting as necessary, and that banning is a last resort. When making reports, please include a link to the arbitration case. Thatcher131 15:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

User:Eupator

• Arbcom parole violation on Paytakaran (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views).

Eupator (talk · contribs) has been placed on a revert parole by the Arbitration Committee. The final decision in his case is here: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan#Eupator_placed_on_revert_parole. He is limited to one revert per page per week, excepting obvious vandalism. However he reverted legitimate edits of other users to Paytakaran twice in less than 7 days.

• Previous version reverted to: 13:39, 27 April 2007

• 1st revert: 20:11, 18 May 2007
• 2nd revert: 17:48, 22 May 2007

Reported by: Grandmaster 07:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Resolved, see: Grandmaster 10:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

User:ScienceApologist 2

In addition to my statement below following our ArbCom case, I feel that User:ScienceApologist is now not constructively building consensus by cooperating with other editors.

• 11 May, removes my disputed tag (and request for citations) without discussion, nor consensus being reached.
• 22 May, removes my dispiuted tag (and request for citations) after discussion, but no consensus on new text,
• 22 May, Tells me that "I will ignore any more lines of inquiry coming from you",
• 22 May, removes my disputed tag (and request for citations) for a third time, even though I expressed dissatisfaction with the text, no citation was forthcoming, and my indicating to provide more details.
• 22 May, another editor disputes the text,, again.
• 23 May, removes disputed tag, (and request for citations) without discussion, nor consensus being reached, for the fifth time.

While I appreciate that ScienceApologist wishes to improve the article, it is not for one editor to decided that text is no longer disputed, nor that consensus is not require, and that they solely decided the version of text for an article. --Iantresman 18:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Administrator response: ScienceApologist is requested to respond to these allegations. Newyorkbrad 03:33, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Ian is a tendentious litigator and has demonstrated to the point of absurdity that he will hound me until he either gets his way or is himself blocked. His edit summaries are bogus and trumped up to the point of absurdity. I will show this to be the case and present evidence that Ian has been violating his probation consistently since his last ban if you wish, but I try my best to ignore this kind of bullshit unless I get an indication that some administrator actually cares enough to make a thorough investigation of this ongoing nonsense. --ScienceApologist 04:05, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

ScienceApologist, for the good of the encyclopedia, I ask you to refrain from unnecessarily strong language. People get banned for incivility around here. It seems to me that you've been given leeway because your expertise is valued (as it should be.) Push it too far, and the Committee may feel compelled to uphold the civility policy at the expense of content.Proabivouac 05:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

User:Aivazovsky

Per ArbCom decision, User:Aivazovsky is under a revert parole and is required to leave comments on the talk page for the edits he makes. However, User:Aivazovsky has recently moved the category Turkophobia to category Anti-Turkism without any discussion on the talk pages. I would like remind here that Turkophobia is an accepted scholarly term. Moreover, User:Aivazovsky has also recently edited the article Varoujan Garabedian, removing the new Anti-Turkism (old Turkophobia) category from the page about a person convicted of terrorist attacks against civilians, again without any discussion on the talk page. He has done the same at ASALA, , again without any comments on talk page. And a 3rd one, at Askeran clash here , again no comments. That's 3 pages! Please, enforce the decisions of ArbCom with regards to User:Aivazovsky as the earlier leniency, such as here did not help to solve the problem of editing or reverting without discussion. Atabek 04:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Administrator response: I regret having allowed this report to become stale. At this point I am hesitant to investigate and impose a block for edits more than a week old. Please advise if there have been any more recent or if there are any future violations. Thank you. Newyorkbrad 03:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

User:ScienceApologist

User:ScienceApologist has just called me "a complete dick", again., contrary to No personal attacks and WP:CIVIL.

• A previous ArbCom case found that "ScienceApologist is uncivil" and "has strongly and repeated criticized Iantresman with ad hominem attacks"

Despite the ArbCom caution, ScienceApologist subsequently:

• Call me a "bean-counter, not a researcher", that I "lied",, and that I "lied" again, (reported previously)
• Called me the "the Ian peacock" which was noted by another Admin

And just recently:

• I am "a confirmed POV-pusher"
• Having "professed your devotion to this particular guru" (not a tone of writing I'd use)

I was wondering how many personal attacks, incivility, cautions and warnings, need be reached before some positive action is taken? --Iantresman 17:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Ever since announcing that he's leaving Misplaced Pages, Ian has been acting like a complete dick, inserting himself into conversations that have nothing to do with him explaining that he's doing it simply to enforce just desserts. Previous to this, Ian was acting in a very disruptive manner at Talk:Plasma cosmology, in violation of his probation, insisting on the insertion of an unreliable source. He had archived a deleted article in his user space in violation of the spirit and practice of WP:DRV and WP:USER. Now he has decided to escalate his abuse to the level of noticeboard. --ScienceApologist 13:19, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

• And in all this time, I've never been derogatory to you, reverted to calling you names, nor used your qualifications, education or affiliations, to question your editing. And while we may often disagree on content, that is hardly justification for being uncivil. --Iantresman 21:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

This isn't the place to report such claims. Please calm down. Sr13 04:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

• Unless they violate a previous ArbCom ruling?

Administrator response: I regret that this report was not addressed earlier. ScienceApologist is strongly cautioned to avoid abusive language, irrespective of his opinion of other editors' conduct. Newyorkbrad 03:32, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

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