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	You are participating in bad faith. You have objected to exactly the same language that someone used against me. You said nothing about that person's language, while objecting to mine. I find your behavior insulting, provacative, officious, uncivil, dishonest and unwelcoming. Please stop using your position at Misplaced Pages to launch personal attacks on me; similarly, do not presume to instruct me as to what articles to read before using a word again. Misplaced Pages purportedly has a no-censorship policy. It applies to you, too. Thank you. ] 08:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)		You are participating in bad faith. You have objected to exactly the same language that someone used against me. You said nothing about that person's language, while objecting to mine. I find your behavior insulting, provacative, officious, uncivil, dishonest and unwelcoming. Please stop using your position at Misplaced Pages to launch personal attacks on me; similarly, do not presume to instruct me as to what articles to read before using a word again. Misplaced Pages purportedly has a no-censorship policy. It applies to you, too. Thank you. ] 08:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

			:Instead of bringing down the heat on one another, it would probably be a good idea now for both of you (I know Elonka is reading this) to pursue our recommended ]. And as an aside, Pwok, since you're still relatively new here, you might benefit from ]. There's a lot of helpful people there. I don't know exactly which issues you're facing, but an experienced guide wouldn't hurt and you can probably find someone there who's interested in helping. ··]] 09:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

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Welcome!

Hello, Pwok, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Misplaced Pages:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{helpme}} after the question on your talk page. Again, welcome! --El on ka 23:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

de-escalate

Please go back to your comment at Talk:Matt Sanchez and remove every instance of calling other Wikipedians (including Bluemarine) liars, deceptive, etc. This is not conducive toward an editing environment that can achieve consensus. Please de-escalate and tone down your comment, removing anything that can be perceived as a personal attack. Thanks, ··coel acan 06:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Since you are not online at this time, I have removed the comment. When you come back online, please go ahead and remove the attacks and accusations of lying, and then resubmit the altered comment. Remember No Personal Attacks is policy. ··coel acan 06:33, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I told you you could bring back the issues you had with the article, just without personal attacks. Instead you responded with only personal attacks, instead of issues with the article content. I've blocked you and your IP for 24 hours to prevent further disruption. If you'd like to come back to the article talk page and refrain from personal attacks, your contributions are welcome after the block expires. I understand you are frustrated, but please do not take this out on others here. ··coel acan 07:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Questions

You seem to have an awful lot of questions... If you're on IMs, I'd be happy to chat directly? --El on ka 07:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an IMer. That's not a hostile response, it's just a fact. I don't even know how to do an IM, and to the extent I am familiar with it I've disabled it because of all the warnings about viruses. In any case, it's 12:30 in the morning here in Seattle and I've got to get off to bed. We can continue this later. Incidentally, I've been in contact with the USMC, and I expect to get a reasonably complete copy of the investigative report on Sanchez. Will that be an acceptable secondary source, or will there be some Misplaced Pages pillar principle that will be used to omit it? Pwok 07:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

An investigative report would be a primary source. I'm very interested in seeing the report, myself, so thank you for obtaining it. I'd also very much like to see or read the Colmes interview from March 30. :) As for IMs, Google Talk is fairly easy to install, and to my knowledge is not a virus risk. IRC is also an option? I'm just thinking that we seem to be having some communication issues, but I'm confident we could resolve them fairly quickly if we were able to talk real-time. I'd be happy to talk you through setting up an IM client. :) --El on ka 07:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm okay with that. I want you to know that I'm not being squirrelly about IMing you; I think it would be a good idea. It's just not something I've done. I have no idea what "IRC" is. Does Microsoft have one of these things built into Windows XP that I could enable for a while? Let me know; I'm in a period over the next few days where I'll be on again, off again on my computer because a bunch of real-world stuff is going on. So if you don't get a response out of me but you see comments, don't assume that I'm brushing you off. It means that I've got five minutes here and 10 minutes there. Pwok 23:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Understood. My recommendation is to try Google Talk as the easiest install and the least intrusive on your system. Send me an email (elonka@gmail.com), and we'll get started with setup. :) --El on ka 23:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

(followup) Did you send me an email? If for some reason my spam filter picked it up (sorry), please try the "e-mail this user" link at my userpage instead? --El on ka 19:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I did not send you an e-mail. Sometime next week I'll do so and will do the IM thing. It's a matter of having sufficient time to install the IM client; you being there when I am there; and then having a least an hour to chat. I've got a bunch of stuff going on, and I'm getting these 15 and 20 minutes stretches in between other stuff. Pwok 00:25, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I understand about not having enough time, so it's okay if we do this slowly. :) Go ahead and at least send me an email (elonka@gmail.com) and then I'll send you a gmail invite, so you can at least sign up for a gmail account. I promise, it's free and easy. :) --El on ka 00:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I have just sent you an invite.Pwok 00:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Civility

Pwok, I appreciate that you feel strongly about the issues at Matt Sanchez and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Pornography, but that does not give you the right to insult other editors. Please stop making personal attacks, and try to be more civil. Before using the word "troll" again, you may also wish to read the essay at WP:TROLL, thanks. --El on ka 06:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

You are participating in bad faith. You have objected to exactly the same language that someone used against me. You said nothing about that person's language, while objecting to mine. I find your behavior insulting, provacative, officious, uncivil, dishonest and unwelcoming. Please stop using your position at Misplaced Pages to launch personal attacks on me; similarly, do not presume to instruct me as to what articles to read before using a word again. Misplaced Pages purportedly has a no-censorship policy. It applies to you, too. Thank you. Pwok 08:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Instead of bringing down the heat on one another, it would probably be a good idea now for both of you (I know Elonka is reading this) to pursue our recommended second step of dispute resolution. And as an aside, Pwok, since you're still relatively new here, you might benefit from Misplaced Pages:Editor assistance. There's a lot of helpful people there. I don't know exactly which issues you're facing, but an experienced guide wouldn't hurt and you can probably find someone there who's interested in helping. ··coel acan 09:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)