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Your edit to Tzitzit

Hi. I can see what you were trying to do, but I think you've flipped the POV entirely. An unbalanced article is unbalanced and it's bad either way. I'm going to try to balance it out. Please do join in. --Dweller 08:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree it was very POV. But it's not true that no poskim approve its use - just no poskim that you recognise, lol! Have a look now. I've also reordered it, so that people with no knowledge can make better sense of the issue. --Dweller 09:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

btw, good to have you here. Enjoy editing. If I can help you with anything, drop me a line. --Dweller 09:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Your amendment is fine. I was surprised to find that Haredi poskim would approve it; that was the sense implied in the version you'd edited. If that was an error, it's good that we've eradicated it. Nice one, I think between us, we've improved the article considerably, in terms of sense, POV and accuracy. --Dweller 09:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

There's a general problem in Misplaced Pages articles on halachic issues where people push a POV. The Haredi contributors (who are few) in particular are sometimes at fault because they see no other way, which is understandable. For example, there was an edit war some time ago between two contributors about the use of Rashi and Rabbeinu Tam tefillin. Would you believe, the chareidi was arguing that most Jews use both. Presumably, he'd never seen anyone daven without both. The other guy presumably had never seen someone with both, and was arguing that very few Jews use both. In the end, the whole thing's a nonsense, because actually most Jews don't wear tefillin at all. So, in the absence of hard numbers, that no-one has, what was needed was to amend the article. What people needed to know was who does/does not do it and why, not whether one group or another constitutes a monopoly. Sigh. A bit of ahavat yisrael goes a long way... why are we so bad at it, even after all these years of galut?! --Dweller 09:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. It's a nice example of transparent POV. But it'd have been equally POV to edit the article to suggest that it's a bonkers practice with no real adherence. --Dweller 12:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

חסידיש

Rabbeinu: 1. I presume you speak Yiddish. In that case you know that the word חסידיש is not pronounced chasidish with a vowel after the ח in Yiddish. There just is no vowel there in Yiddish pronunciation. 2. The Google test is not an absolute arbiter of spelling on Misplaced Pages. --Redaktor 22:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

List of Hasidic dynasties

Rabbeinu: you wrote: 'international', if you require that, we should delete Ger... only Chabad/Satmar/Belz/Bobov would remain. What on earth are you talking about. Ger is represented in Europe, USA (about 20 shtiblekh) and Australia. you don't get much more international than that. Likewise Vizhnitz is international. But if you don't like inernational, please come up with a better criterion.--Redaktor 23:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Mediation case

I really appreciate that you took the time to talk to me about it. If only someone else was there to back me up on it then maybe the discussion would be different. However, there's one good thing that has come from it: one less thing to mediate on. Jac _roe 00:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Temple Mount

I noticed the message you recently left to 189.1.10.119. Please remember to try not to bite the newcomers. If you see someone make a common mistake, try to politely point out what they did wrong and how to correct it.
Please assume good faith when dealing with other editors. 189.1.10.119 made one edit that doesn't seem to be malicious, and a Level 3 deletion warning seems like a very severe way of responding to it. Level 3 - Assumes bad faith; stern cease and desist. Please consider using lower level warnings when dealing with new editors whose edits are not blatant vandalism. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 03:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how you can determine, on the basis of a single edit, that an anonymous editor who didn't leave an edit summary "obviously knew very well what he was doing." It doesn't matter if you think "It is typically something done by extreme-right wing Zionists," and that "A person deleting particularly *that* phrase knows very well what he is doing." The truth is that neither one of us knows why the edit was made. That's why we're supposed to assume good faith.

Let me offer another possibility. Maybe it was a boy who had learned from his rabbi that the Jews aren't supposed to cede control over any part of Eretz Yisrael to non-Jews. He looked at Misplaced Pages, and it said that the Israelis gave away control of Har Habayit to the Muslims. Surely his rabbi couldn't be wrong, so he deleted the sentence in the encyclopedia that contradicted his rabbi and his lessons. Are you still convinced that "A person deleting particularly *that* phrase knows very well what he is doing"? Are you still prepared to recommend an indefinite block?

In the future, please try to keep in mind the Misplaced Pages guidelines I cited above about newcomers and assuming good faith. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 18:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Requests for mediation/Mezhbizh (Hasidic dynasty)

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IZAK 17:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Holocaust

"... you seem to be the craziest editor I have ever seen. And that is not meant in a positive way ..."

LOL!! SlimVirgin 18:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)