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Archive: August 2006 - April 2007, May 2007

Thwarting site's plot

This might do a better job of lessening the disruption, if any, caused by this site. -- tariqabjotu 03:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Ingenious! Do you think it's better to put a comment in the dummy section or just leave it blank? nadav (talk) 04:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

That might not be a bad idea. Perhaps something along the lines of the wording in the rally template for those who actually attempt to post there. -- tariqabjotu 04:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

YechielMan's RFA

Thank you for participating in either of my unsuccessful requests for adminship. Although the experience was frustrating, it showed me some mistakes I was making, and I hope to learn from those mistakes.

Please take a few minutes to read User:YechielMan/Other stuff/RFA review and advise me how to proceed. Best regards. YechielMan 21:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

East Jerusalem synagogues

Are you absolutely sure about this? It is possible, for example, that they were used for other purposes, then restored to synagogues? Jayjg 02:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah, well I know for a fact that the Ohr haChaim synagogue was still functioning up until the war. It was closed and then reopened in '67. This info is on the Israeli government websites and . The Ari synagogue I think was used only until the riots in '36. I have no info about the third Jewish quarter synagogue on the list. nadav (talk) 02:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. Well, do what you think best. Jayjg 02:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

COI Templates.

Hi, I'm sending you a message because of your involvement with the Misplaced Pages:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_May_18#Template:COI_and_Template:COI2 discussion. The result of the TfD was no-consensus, but there was a significant expressed consensus for editing the templates to bring them into line with good practice. Unfortunately this has not happened, and the templates have been left pretty much in the state they were before the TfD. Would you like to assist in bringing these templates in line with good practice? --Barberio 16:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Soft redirects

Hello. You didn't have to take Brian Radel and Jason Arrant to RfD; I would have self-reverted the prod deletion if you explained why soft redirects are bad. I didn't get any sense of that from reading Misplaced Pages:Soft redirect, though I don't have much experience with them. Best, nadav (talk) 00:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was best to get some other opinions on RfD, since if one person disagreed with the {{prod}}, other people might too. And you are right that when not to use a soft redirect can be obscure; the rule of thumb is that a soft redirect is nothing more than a redirect, only that it couldn't be done as a redirect because of technical limitations. In the case of names of people redirecting to another wiki, there is a precedent for deleting them (there were dozens of these pointing to the sep11 wiki, and all were deleted), but it doesn't seem to be documented anywhere. --cesarb 00:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Water memory

Would you mind taking a look at my recent edits to water memory and adding any kudos/complaints to the talk page? I'd like to try to reach some consensus on the material. Maury 15:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Expanding Tzuf Dvash Synagogue

"Hello. I am thinking of expanding the article to include more general details on the development of the North African Jewish community of the old city. I also want to add info on the Tovi Yishbau yeshiva (now Torat Kohanim). Do you think this should this be done in the current article (with an appropriate name change) or in a new one?" nadav (talk) 01:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

• Although I see the advantage of having all the information on one page, I am inclined to leave this page exclusively for information about the synagogue and create a new one about Torat Kohanim Yeshiva, as in Ateret Cohanim which has a redlink to Torat Chaim Yeshiva which had used the same building previously. We would then retain the Tzuf Dvash Synagogue listed under Category:Synagogues in Jerusalem. I am not quite sure in which article you could add information about the development of the North African Jewish community – maybe it would require its own page? Chesdovi 09:33, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that I have just enough content on the community to provide background but not enough for an independent article. It mostly involves the Tovi Yishbau yeshiva so I suppose I'll just create the page like you said and then put it there. Best, nadav (talk) 09:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

היי

הויכוח הוא לגבי משתמש אנטישמי בשם telleramn שלגביו להניח כוונה טובה זה כבר עיוורון-אז גם לזה יש גבול אחרת המפעל הזה לא יוכל להמשיך ולהתקיים-ממילא יש לא מעט דברי ביקורת על ויקיפדיה.

Thanks Nadav

Hello Nadav,

Thanks for your message. It seems you are a reasonable Wikipedian.

I am actually sick of this. Most articles related to Palestinians or Palestine is unfairly treated on the English Misplaced Pages. While most other languages contain more balanced information, the English version is not getting a fair share.

There are many editors here who are just not interested in information that justifies the Palestinians and their history. For example, many do not like the fact that they are descendants of populations that have existed in the Levant including Israelites themselves! Just the fact that they are Arabic-speaking as most other populations in the Middle east, does not mean that their ancestry is purely from Mecca as some right wind editors love to see...!

I have tried for many months to enhance that section and include sources I see academic and so on. But many users who are, as I see them, are only biased and like to stick to a version which starts at the Ummayid period. As if the peasants of Palestine, the very most original and indigenous population, came during the Ummayid period!

I am not very interested in wasting too much time here on English Misplaced Pages, but it is certainly and issue that articles related to Palestine suffers.

You are welcome to enhance on that section, and I would kindly request that you not remove information we spent times, looking up from google scholar and so on. There is aloot of information in Arabic sources about the family structure of the Palestinians, things that have been preserved for centuries.. Unfortunately, I can not include such sources because this is the English Misplaced Pages.

In any case, I am not having Misplaced Pages as my full-time job like many of those editors. I feel pissed off when massive removal of information happens. Instead these editors should spend time on restructuring the material, balancing it, add other material that gives another perspective. But not killing and removing a material that supports one point of view. It is disturbing and against the spirit of Misplaced Pages...

Almaqdisi 01:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying and I see that you have the best interests of Misplaced Pages at heart. I think we have made some good progress on the talk page of the article in terms of deciding what to add. See the discussion with Tiamut especially, who has done a lot of work towards expanding the article and making it more readable. And I am sure more information will gradually be added. Feel free to suggest new directions for expansion on the talk page; the info about family sounds really useful. Best, nadav (talk) 01:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Your replacable image tag

http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:PN_Chalmers_300.JPG I have removed your replacable fair use tag for the following reason: A fair use rationale was posted. -Rogerfgay

Replied on your talk page. nadav (talk) 10:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Joshua Prawer

Hi Nadav, I've already got Prawer on my watchlist and I've been reading all the additions and improvements. I don't know if I can improve it any more, but I will see what I can do. Adam Bishop 16:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Kopp on Nazareth

Hello Nadav1: I understand your questioning of Kopp as a source regarding the help Nazareth (still a Jewish village at the time) gave to the Persian Chosroes II in 614 CE. Clemens Kopp was a Catholic priest who wrote on archaeological and historical matters relating to Christianity. He is a principle source on Nazareth archaeology second only to Father Bagatti. Kopp is not by any means without errors, but in this case there is no reason I can see to doubt what he writes. Kopp is citing from Eutychius (876-940 CE) http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05639a.htm whom I translate here: "As began his march towards Jerusalem, the Jews joined him-- those who still lived in Tiberias, in the Galilean highlands, in Nazareth and in the surrounding regions. They set out for Jerusalem and aided the Persians to destroy churches and to slaughter Christians." According to Kopp, this passage (originally in Latin) is from Eutychii Annales in Migne's Patrologia Graeca vol. 111 p. 1083. Renejs