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Blue lady

Thank you. :-) SlimVirgin 03:41, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Francis E. Dec

Thanks very much for your recent cleanup and additions to the article on Francis E. Dec! It is nice to see more people take an active interest in this man and his strange life as well as trying to, in a positive and constructive fashion, add to the existing knowledge on him instead of being what you term "Wikinazis". Your contributions are very highly appreciated, as is your independent method of thinking. Keep up the good work! Korv McHund 08:44, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment; I just want to bring exposure to all sides of an issue and let people make up their own mind. Censorship sucks! -Eep² 11:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Bob Dobbs

Since you're interested in getting to the truth of the matter about Bob Dean, a.k.a. "Bob Dobbs," I've put together a little screed that you may find helpful: http://community.livejournal.com/highweirdness/18851.html I hope it doesn't seem too slanted or biased. --Modemac 17:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

York, Pennsylvania and your user page

Hi Eep²,

I restored the {{fact}} tag on York, Pennsylvania, in the Media section. Please note that adding a wikilink does not constitute a valid external source as a reference (and the article you linked to barely mentions this topic (Susquehanna Broadcasting)).

I also note your User Page contains text deleted from an article. Please see Misplaced Pages:User_page#Copies_of_other_pages for what is not allowed and remove this material, or else I will bring this up in the appropriate venue for removal.

Thanks, Ruhrfisch 17:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the ref to the York, Pennsylvania article. Since you have not done anything to fix your userpage, I have nominated it for deletion here. Thanks, Ruhrfisch 02:24, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of alleged UFO-related government personnel

Please cast your vote again without icon spam. --Pjacobi 20:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Stop changing other editors' comment or I'll block you. --Pjacobi 21:56, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Stop being a wiktator or I'll report you. -Eep² 22:04, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Your recent behavior on MFD

Stop trolling and being incivil on Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Eep². Failure to heed this warning may result in you being blocked from Misplaced Pages. --Coredesat 21:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Wiktator

I have placed a {{db-attack}} tag on this redirect page; I believe it was created as a term of disparagement. — BillC 22:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Um, no, it was created as a redirect page. Duh. -Eep² 23:18, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you create divisive and inflammatory pages such as Template:Userbox-wiktators-suck, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. --Coredesat 06:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Uh, why? Are you inferring you're a wiktator? If not, why take offense? <blink> Gee, what about the other despise userboxes? Don't be a hypocrite, Core... -Eep² 07:22, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

There are no such other userboxes, and a personal attack is a personal attack. I have requested attention from other admins at ANI. --Coredesat 08:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Um, there are other userboxes that despise things, specifically baseball teams. Why are they allowed? Double standard... I'm not the one trolling, disrupting, and personally attacking--you overzealous admins are in attacking my contributions. Leave me alone. I've contributed PLENTY to Misplaced Pages; you just want to destroy my work. -Eep² 09:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

GFDL

Eep², your creation of backup copies of to-be-deleted articles is an egregious violation of GFDL and copyright. It is simply not acceptable. There are plenty of admins who will honour good-faith requests for undeletion and userfying of deleted content for purposes of rework, or you can just apply WP:FORGET, but copying and pasting articles as you do is not allowed. Guy (Help!) 09:50, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I made backup copies of them to be reworked should they be deleted. I am not claiming their work as my own. I've already encounted an admin who wouldn't restore an article (Bob Dobbs, specifically) in order for me to work on but he wouldn't so I went through the deletion review process (because the original AfD was NOT consensus, despite what the admin said), but that failed. Obviously Bob Dean/Dobbs HAS notability simply by reading this interview with Ivan Stang and all the evidence I presented at the deletion review. I tire of you admins acting like wiktators. -Eep² 02:54, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

RFC/USER discussion concerning you (Eep²)

Hello, Eep². Please be aware that a request for comments has been filed concerning your conduct on Misplaced Pages. The RFC entry can be found by your name in this list, and the actual discussion can be found at ], where you may want to participate.

-- Guy (Help!) 10:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Please do not attack other editors, which you did here: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Miguel Condé. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Calling an editor a "wiktator" is a persoanl attack. Please don't repeat it. -Will Beback · † · 03:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Let's define attack, shall we? Is it an attack when someone, like MER-C, removes my vote/comments? Is it an attack when someone like Radiant removes my vote symbol icons and votes/comments? Yes, it is. Stop perpetuating a double standard. -Eep² 05:40, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

This is your last warning. If you continue to make personal attacks, as you did at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Miguel Condé, you will be blocked for disruption. MER-C 06:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Stop yourself, oppressor: Misplaced Pages:No_personal_attacks#Removal_of_text. -Eep² 06:59, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Vote symbols

Templates with vote symbols have repeatedly been deleted by strong consensus on TFD. The way you insist on using those symbols anyway is an end-run around this process and around established consensus. The way you're making personal attacks and vague threats to other users is highly inappropriate. If you don't cease your disruption you will be blocked from Misplaced Pages. >Radiant< 07:54, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

• You have been blocked for 24 hours, per the warnings given to you by Will Beback, Mer-C and myself. >Radiant< 09:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Um, it wasn't a template. They were just images (as I have on my user page). You did NOT explain WHY you repeatedly deleted them from vote pages and, instead, just did it over and over again. 3RR, eh? Oh, I guess it doesn't apply to oppressors--er, wiktators--er, admins, eh? Hypocracy! -Eep² 09:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I did just explain that, please read the top of this section. Alluding to 3RR is a red herring as I don't see anything remotely resembling a violation here. Also, you've been repeatedly warned against personal attacks, so I suggest you cut that out. >Radiant< 09:48, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

UNBLOCK

• No, you were blocked for repeatedly going against consensus, and making personal attacks, and persisting despite being warned. I also note you broke the 3RR here. >Radiant< 09:48, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I'll leave this particular request up, to be sure we get a third opinion, but as my first thought, at this point, I am inclined to decline this request. In particular, all of us are, in theory, here to build and maintain an encyclopedia. If you want to root out wiktatorship(?) or whatever, uh, that's cool, but you should probably do it somewhere else. When a large gaggle of admins and prominent members in the community are politely asking, trying to negotiate, and finally telling you to turn back, I should hope it's become obvious that your behavior is disruptive. That you're not even acknowledging that gives me serious doubts about unblocking you. – Luna Santin (talk) 10:59, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Eep² (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I was trying to show examples of Radiant's abusive behavior but was blocked before my post could be finished on :

More of Radiant's antics: again, again. again, wikistalking, obvious evidence of him and MER-C working together, and not wanting to face the reality of his actions when called out by me and Epeefleche. Radiant continues to revert my vote symbol images and again by him also reverting my edit of moving a legitmate mention of Cathy O'Brien out of "deletion nomination" to "case closed". Where is the justice, oh great oppressors--er, admins? HYPOCRACY! And, of course, now I'm blocked--great checks-and-balances, Wiktatoredia!

He gave NO inclination as to WHY he was doing these obviously abusive reversions--see above.

Decline reason:

I'm sorry, and you'll probably see this as just another example of so-called 'wiktatorship', but I'm disinclined to unblock you at this time. Your unblock request gives me no indication that you are apologetic for your disruptive actions, or intend to work companionably, or even towards a grudging compromise. The users involved have been more than polite, and open to negotiation, but you have shown yourself unwilling to work together. Misplaced Pages, contrary to your beliefs, is not a dictatorship - it is a community which works on the principles of assuming good faith and consensus. You have shown yourself unwilling to assist in reaching a compromise, to acknowlege consensus, and to assume good faith on the part of your fellow contributors. Please use your remaining time off Misplaced Pages to read other deletion debates, how these are generally conducted, and I hope you return with a more positive view of how we operate around here. Regards, – Riana_ऋ 11:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Your RFC

When your block expires, you need to post a response in the "response" section of the RFC against you. Attacking other users' statements doesn't help your case. --Coredesat 22:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Reverting edits about admin abuse doesn't help your case either. -Eep² 11:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Just an observation - MER-C is not an admin. Ruhrfisch 12:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Another observation: Radiant also reverted my edits as described above. Let's not be selective in our history, shall we? -Eep² 13:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Whatever the case, that page is not active. If you have concerns, that's not the right way to bring them up. --Coredesat 17:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Wiki links

Please be careful when adding links to articles, such as Oba Chandler that you do not link to disambiguation pages or to unrelated pages. Just because a link is blue does not mean it links to the article you think it does, such as Scene of the Crime that links to a comic book series not the TV series. Thanks, Rich257 12:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL, please

Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 May 9#Category:Court TV shows. Please stop being uncivil to your fellow editors; instead, assume that they are here to improve Misplaced Pages. See this edit. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but, when it comes to User:Radiant, I no longer assume good faith. However, I DO assume wikistalking. -Eep² 13:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

case in point -Eep² 13:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Attacking new users

This is not an appropriate way to welcome new users . Cut out the incivility.--Dcooper 15:58, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Re.:Andromedans,Re.: Battle:

Links are:

• burlingtonnews.net/secretsufo.html - see Andromedan entry.
• geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/et009.html - Andromedans order ALL other aliens OFF of and AWAY from Earth. Also do a Google search on these aliens, "Andromedans tell other aliens to leave Earth or get thrown out". 205.240.146.147 04:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Basically, these aliens have told the other aliens, incl. the Greys and "lizards(reptoids)" to get the hell OFF and AWAY from Earth or they'll get forcibly thrown out, which will result in battle, since the Greys and the lizards are'nt leaving. 205.240.146.147 04:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Userpage

I have deleted you userpage per Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Eep². You are welcome to recreate it in an appropriate manner, but please abide by the spirit of that discussion.--Doc 16:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I deleted your user page again and restored the version you created after the MFD ended. Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox, and even this version is borderline. Continued restoration of the deleted material will result in you being blocked. --Coredesat 21:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

More hypocracy. The 7th AfD nomination of Eep (you look it up since you deleted all the work I did) stated the info about the WildEep! sound would be added to the Mac System 7 article. However, that info was promptly removed soon after it was added, and expanded upon. This is ridiculous hypocracy. Other people have info about their name/interests on their user page so why not me? Sheesh! You had no right to just mindlessly delete my user page without stating a dispute with it first. -Eep² 02:47, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I personally think that's nonsense, but meh, I'll restore it without your "consensorship" section (which does violate WP:NOT), and without your userbox, which is a copy of one you created and that I deleted as an attack page - it is not to be recreated, or it will be removed again. --Coredesat 03:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

On second thought, I'm not restoring it. You stated explicitly that you had the material there to spite the users who removed it. Revert the edits to Eep instead. If you still want it back (which I know you will), go to DRV. --Coredesat 03:30, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Restore the FULL version so I may move the commentary off of Misplaced Pages. So much for free speech, eh? I'm sure you'll refer me to some oppressive Wikipedian policy that states there is no such thing as free speech on Misplaced Pages, eh? Feh! -Eep² 03:36, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

There's not, really. Users on Misplaced Pages do not have an express right to free speech; this is the English Misplaced Pages, but that does not mean it is the American Misplaced Pages. However, if you really want it that badly, I will email you the deleted material. --Coredesat 03:44, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

And yet there are many user pages that have infoboxes about all of their likes/dislikes (including despising some baseball teams). How is that not hypocritical? Your page includes personal info and a number of infoboxes that border on being commentary... If I can't have an infobox that shows my dislike for wiktators, you can't have an infobox that claims you're "cool" (without a relibale source to back it up). Wee... -Eep² 04:37, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Undo

Please do not use the undo feature to revert non-vandalism contributions. Revert-warring is not acceptable, the way to handle disputes is to work additively towards a consensus position, not to revert using tools provided for the reversion of vandalism. Guy (Help!) 10:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Be sure to also tell that to the person who undid MY non-vandalism contributions, JzG... -Eep² 03:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Photon belt article

Spent a few minutes making the "why it's a crackpot theory" section more explicit. I wouldn't mind having the article restored - the damnfoolthing is out there, and in such wide circulation that it's probably Wikiworthy, but I'd favor having the article be as explicit as possible about just how largely the "pseudo" in "pseudoscience" is written in this particular context. --Alvestrand 06:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, but you're going to have to provide sources for things you state, as I am for things I find...you can't just use such biased wording as you are...remember WP:NPOV. -Eep² 06:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think I need to provide sources here for things like a Photon being massless; the photon article is already well sourced, I believe. Similarly, the Milky Way article provides details on where the Galactic Center is, and that article in turn gives its distance. The only piece that needs a citation is the headshaking - that's why I put on it. But it's still true. --Alvestrand 06:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

You need to remain neutral in your wording, however. Calling it "ludicrous", "lunatic fringe", etc doesn't go well on Misplaced Pages. Plus, you need to be careful where you add information and how it's referenced. For example, in this edit, you added "; the Earth orbits the Sun, and the Sun orbits the galactic center, some 26.000 light-years away" but did you actually verify that the source used to reference the previous general statement of "this is not the case" actually said what you added? Also, you may be misunderstanding the term "photon belt" when you claim " do not enter orbits". What is a star but a LOT of photons in orbit around still other stars (binary stars, galactic cores, etc)? Granted, I'm still doing research myself, but you also need to do research in order to not come off as being unbiased and non-neutral. I appreciate your additions but you need to keep WP:NPOV in mind, please. -Eep² 07:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

You need to get at least a basic understanding of physics, or at least do some wikipedia reading. A star consists mostly of ionized hydrogen and helium, which consists of protons and electrons. Stars EMIT photons, which are created by hydrogen atoms' nuclei merging in a fusion reaction to produce helium. They do not CONSIST of it. --Alvestrand 13:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Semantics. The point is, stars and photons relate and star orbits can be thought of as "photonic orbits". Regardless, you need to research the photon belt more before casually dismissing it. Read the Noel Huntley article. Try to look past the spiritual/"metafruitical" (metaphysical) mumbo jumbo... -Eep² 19:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that there's nothing there BUT mumbo-jumbo. Check out this randomly clipped sentence: "The photon cloud has a high density of electrons and positrons (positive, anti-electrons). When an electron and a positron collide they are annihilated and the mass is converted into radiation--photons. The presence of these positrons, however, has been predicted to interfere with electricity, of which the latter is due to the flow of electrons. ". Then check out Antimatter (of which positrons are one example. The presence of antimatter doesn't "interfere" with electricity - it causes things to go SERIOUSLY "boom". If there's matter present, and it doesn't go "boom", there's no antimatter present - as simple as that. And the idea that the solar system orbits the Pleiades is simply false - again. Stating it once more doesn't make it truer. --Alvestrand 19:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Things going "boom" sounds like "interference" to me. Regardless of whether or not our solar system orbits Alcyone (star) (the Pleiades) or not (see http://www.astrodynamics.net/Articles/Pluto-and-the-Galactic-Center.htm), what about the relationship between relativistic jets and their effects? Also, check out http://www.spiritdove.com/1_photonbelt.htm. Be sure to read through it (and the Huntley article) FULLY before replying... -Eep² 20:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Only if you agree with the stockbroker bumper sticker "Nuclear war would seriously damage my career". And you still haven't explained why you think relativistic jets are related to a "belt" that "orbits". But I gave up on the "spiritdove" nonsense after the claim that there are seven stars in the Pleiades cluster, *including the Sun*. Take some binoculars and LOOK at the Pleiades on a clear night; you'll see some of the 500 other stars there.

But I don't see any sign that you're willing to even try to think clearly and logically on the real, physical, observable things that happen in Real Life. Good luck with documenting the fiction. Goodbye. --Alvestrand 07:11, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Why would I explain why I think relativistic jets orbit? That would be original research. I'm simply stating what is already known by science. You dismiss information too quickly. Whatever, closed-minded person. -Eep² 07:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Re.:Andromedans,Re.: Battle:

Links are:

• http://burlingtonnews.net/secretsufo.html - see Andromedan entry.
• http://geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/et009.html - Andromedans order ALL other aliens OFF of and AWAY from Earth. Also do a Google search on these aliens, "Andromedans tell other aliens to leave Earth or get thrown out". 205.240.146.147 04:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Basically, these aliens have told the other aliens, incl. the Greys and "lizards(reptoids)" to get the hell OFF and AWAY from Earth or they'll get forcibly thrown out, which will result in battle, since the Greys and the lizards are'nt leaving. 205.240.146.147 04:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Replying on Talk:Andromedans_(extraterrestrial) is sufficient; copying discussion to there--please reply there. -Eep² 07:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Change color of links

Cool template Eep. I have this from another user:

The code for that would be:

Display Text

Change the "Text" to the title of the article, and "Display Text" to whatever text you want to display. You must enter both the title of the page you are linking to and the display text, even if they are the same. This is equivalent to the code:

study of paranormal phenomena Martin _{(Talk Ψ Contribs)} 07:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I assume you're referring to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Paranormal#paranormal user template; please respond only there. Thanks. -Eep² 07:41, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Geez dude, I thought I was doing you a favor. Martin _{(Talk Ψ Contribs)} 20:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, it helps to have context, at least, but I prefer to keep the conversation where it originally started. It would be nice if Misplaced Pages could send a "new message" notice when someone replies to a topic--basically, MediaWiki needs an integrated forum (message board) without having to edit silly talk pages all the time--it's ridiculous. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 03:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

sound recording stuff

Hi Eep, Thanks for adding info about transcription discs to the pyral page and making the aluminum disc page. This old sound recording technolgy is strange and fascinating. -- Austin Murphy 15:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

No prob, but why did you remove the date links? It's a history article so dates are kinda important... -Eep² (Talk) 16:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Dates are important, but linking them usually doesn't add value to an article. It mostly adds clutter. -- Austin Murphy 19:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Countdown to doomsday

I'm unhappy for this to be differentiated from Countdown to Doomsday by capitalisation alone. Don't you think it would work better with the disambig at Countdown to Doomsday (disambiguation) or something? Algebraist 16:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I was gonna move the current capitalized version to Countdown to Doomsday (computer game) but decided to go with lowercase instead. Doesn't really matter either way though, I guess; I just prefer not to create "(disambiguation)"-titled articles if I can help it--I like to use the root word/phrase/name. -Eep² _(Talk) 16:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

"Clean-up" does not mean removal of consensus contributions

Your "clean-up" of the Ascended_master article involved removing what has taken 6 months of working with other editors to reach the consensus of the version that was there before you changed things - without discussion with other editors. I agree with the smaller font for the notes. The capitalization reflects what the religious belief system uses. The Theosophy link to the Misplaced Pages article was actually intended to refer to The Theosophical Society, so there should be capitalization of the name of the organization being referred to. Aburesz 17:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

According to Misplaced Pages standards, the previous capitalizations on the Ascended_master article need to be maintained. These are references to proper nouns (such as The Theosophical Society) and references to the Divine (such as "Spirit" as compared to the "spirit of a crowd at a sporting event"). According to the Misplaced Pages Manual of Style, references to '"Transcendent ideas in the Platonic sense also begin with a capital letter: Good and Truth."' Refer to the Misplaced Pages:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters). Aburesz 19:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry; I didn't realize consensus came to those conclusions. However, I think there should be a notice at the top of the article indicating that non-standard capitalization is used; otherwise it's going to be be prone to future editing, most likely. -Eep² _(Talk) 02:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

May 2007

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Blacklisted links

Hey there. I removed those links because when I tried to prod Conspiracy Con the first time, I got a notice saying that those links were spam and I couldn't edit the page until they were removed, so I removed them. I'm unsure as to why it told me that they were spam but you were able to add them back. Pablo Talk | Contributions 18:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

What the hell? Why did you nominate it for deletion? Sheesh! -Eερ² 21:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Mega Movers

I placed the text in User:Eep²/Mega Movers as requested. I modified this so that the categories and such do not show up in the main name space. Vegaswikian 21:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Richard C. Hoagland

I'm one of the principal editors of this article (and paradoxically one of the chief advocates for its deletion). Give me a better clue what you mean by the citation style tag and I'll see if I can acommodate you. Cheers. El Ingles 14:52, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I just mean having inline references like "" vs. the <ref></ref> style--that's the inconsistency. I just flagged the article as a friendly suggestion. -Єερ² 20:30, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Account

Would you mind registering User:Eep2 and then redirecting that userpage to your userpage? Then people could actually reach it directly. —METS501 (talk) 13:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by "directly"? I just copy-paste the "²" (since typing "alt+01"--the beginning of the extended ASCII control code alt+0178 to make the squared symbol--tends to cause Firefox to create a blank page, oddly). ] works too (unfortunately, ] does not). You can also find the ² in the symbols list under MediaWiki edit boxes. -Єερ² 14:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I recommend registering it either way to avoid someone else doing so down the line to try to confuse people. DreamGuy 05:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

I just wanted to say thank you for your contributions to Misplaced Pages and I hope you keep up the good work. I know it can be challenging or frustrating dealing with some of the people who try to hold you back from sharing things on Misplaced Pages. In my opinion there is a lot of biased sensorship that goes on here, as it is such with society and Misplaced Pages is run as a democracy, where any member of society can not only contribute but impose their beleifs.

The article on the Flower of Life was an uninformative stub when I came upon it and if you visit it now, you will see the large amount of work I did on it. I had to spend a lot of time fighting to not have my work deleted, as there was particularly one individual who wished to sensor everything I'd written. I have had plenty of similar experiences with other articles and have had many deleted. I mention all of this, so that you know where I'm coming from.

So for the record I am being sincere and I really am just trying to thank you and encourage you to keep writing. I am especially interested in the Photon Belt article and would like to see more done on that. I would like to know of any evidence to back up the theory, whether scientific, parascientific, historical, spirutual or whatever else. There should probably be a section in the article dedicated just to that.

Anyway, thanks again. See you 'round. sloth_monkey 03:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Sloth, thanks for the nice comments. You're the "Jota" guy. :P I'm interested in trying to get that article restored, but it will need secondary sources besides Maxwell's in order to have a chance getting past consensorship. A preliminary Google search didn't turn up much about it though, but it does seem to have meaning in Croatian, Spanish, and Finnish. Anyway, you might be interested in WikiProject Paranormal and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Occult if you're interested in things like what Jordan Maxwell says. It seems to be an uphill battle getting these kinds of topics into Misplaced Pages (especially with all the existing crap here now about obscure sports and so many math formulas it's ridiculous but I think so long as things can be sourced sufficiently, and shown overall relevance to things, such topics will make it on Misplaced Pages. Unfortunately, it seems to take a lot more research in order to make connections between seemingly unrelated things--but it's possible. Good job on the Flower of Life article; the photon belt took a couple weeks to research well enough before I thought it had a chance of being restored, but I'm still working on tracing its origins before Hesse--it may go back to Native American Indian myth, but I haven't been able to confirm that. Anyway, hang in there and try and find more people interested in things you are, then have them join one of the projects so we can band together and support each other when the going gets tough. :) ∞Σɛ_Þ² 06:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Template thanks

Thanks for the cleanup on the fictionlist and fictioncruft templates. DreamGuy 05:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

No prob. :) ∞Σɛ_Þ² 06:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

A note in your support

Hello Eep. I've written in support of you at your review. In my comment I pointed out that, although you and I completely disagree about everything, I feel Misplaced Pages needs lively characters like yourself and hoped that no action would be taken against you. I admire your energy and commitment and I'm sure you'll learn in time, as we all do, that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Good luck with it. I look forward to crossing swords with you on many future occasions! Nick mallory 08:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Heh; thanks. I may be a bit rough on the outside but underneath I aspire to be seamless. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 10:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

templates overview

hey there, I see you're changing the uw- overview page, for what reason. your edit summary says about background colours, but only the blocks have built in background colours. cheers 11:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

The templates have built-in background colors but custom stylesheets can't override (as far as I know) embedded styles (such as background colors), so I removed them so a user's default background colors are not overidden. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 11:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Righto, so how do you see them then? When we did them we assumed that it would take on the background of the skin you chose, for me it's the bog standard light blue. Cheers 11:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, as my edit comments specified, I saw/see them as almost bright white. I use the "simple" skin so maybe that screws up something with the style codes--I don't know. But, to inherit the background you would use "style=background:inherit;" and not specify a specific color, in this case it was almost bright white. Annoying--especially on a darker default background like I use. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 11:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

{{Conspiracy-stub}}

Hi - I see you have recently created a new stub type. As it states at Misplaced Pages:Stub, at the top of most stub categories, and in many other places on Misplaced Pages, it is recommended that new stub types are proposed prior to creation at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Discoveries/Log/2007/May#.7B.7BConspiracy-stub.7D.7D_.2F_Cat:Conspiracy_stubs, in order to check whether the new stub type is already covered by existing stub types, whether it is named according to stub naming guidelines, whether it reaches the standard threshold for creation of a new stub type, and whether it crosses existing stub type hierarchies. Your new stub type is currently listed at WP:WSS/D - please feel free to make any comments there as to any rationale for this stub type. And please, in future, consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness...wha? 02:00, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks; I replied there. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 03:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Mysteries

Without being rude, I would like to point out that the major guideline about DAB's is, that they are not linked to and are only accessible to a user that stumbles upon them. Apart from the proposed move of the DAB page, the links thereto should be relinked or removed. Let this be an invitation to continue this discussion on Talk:Mystery. -Catneven 20:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Category:Inclusionist Wikipedians Cat link fix

Thanks much, I hadn't noticed. --Milton 03:25, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

No prob. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 03:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

United States Bullion Depository merge

The proposal was to remove the content from the Fort Knox article and point to the Conspiracy theories section in the USBD article where the same content was duplicated. That's what the consensus was and that's what I did. Look again. --rogerd 13:54, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

See discussion on Talk:United States Bullion Depository#Conspiracy theory merge; please reply there. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 20:28, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Background colors

Hi. I see you've been experimenting with the CSS background property at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Conspiracy Con. (Actually, we're not supposed to make any changes to closed discussions. I suggest you set up a personal 'sandbox' page — at User:Eep²/Sandbox, for example — and use it instead.)

Let me share with you some of my hard-won knowledge of background. (One of the MediaWiki developers has called background "sneaky", and he's right.)

• It's a "shorthand" property: it sets a whole bunch of individual properties at once (background-color, background-image, background-repeat, background-attachment, and background-position).
• Saying (for example) “background: none” sets the background-image property, since “none” cannot be used for any of the other background properties.
• However, when you use a shorthand property, CSS sets all the individual properties to their initial values then sets the values you specify. So “background: none” is short for:

background-image: none; background-color: transparent; background-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%

• The initial value of background-color, “transparent”, means “use the underlying background color”.
• “inherit” is an exception: “background: inherit” is equivalent to

background-image: inherit; background-color: inherit; background-repeat: inherit; background-attachment: inherit; background-position:inherit

• As if that's not complicated enough, not all browsers support CSS properly. In particular, version 6 of Internet Explorer does not support “background-color: inherit”. (I think current versions of IE do, but not everyone has upgraded.) So it's best to never use “background: inherit”.
• So “background: none” gets you the underlying background, while “background: white” forces a white background.
• At Misplaced Pages, you can use “class: same-bg” to get the underlying background. This CSS class is defined in MediaWiki:Common.css as “{ background: none; }”. (See MediaWiki talk:Common.css/Archive 2#Proposal: class same-bg for discussion of this class.)

I hope this helps. Feel free to ask me more question's here (I'll watch this page for a week or so) or at my talk page. Cheers, CWC 09:05, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info but I wasn't experimenting, per se; I just don't like having forced white/bright backgrounds thrust onto me. I override most of them via a custom stylesheet at User:Eep²/simple.css but I haven't figured out how to override in-line CSS properties such as those used on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Conspiracy Con. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 11:16, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh. Sorry about the info-dump.

I suggest adding “!important” to the settings, as in
 {background:none !important;}
See here for the gory details. Cheers, CWC 15:10, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Links to "mystery"

Re: your edits to Discover Magazine (TV series).

Calling WP:DAB "only a guideline" is one thing; when you revert 3 editors to get your preferred version, and it also conflicts with the guideline, it's a sign the guideline has support in that particular case. It is generally recognized that overlinking (linking more than 10% of the words in an article) and linking more general terms from more specific articles are not good things to do. Here's another link you may want to look at: WP:CONTEXT#What generally should not be linked. In addition, linking to Duh in the edit summaries of your reversions is not WP:CIVIL and leaving such comments is unlikely to bring anyone around to your point of view.

"Mystery" is not the only word in these articles that has been linked without reason: there is unlikely to ever be an article on the Lost in Time episode of Discover, but the blue link there leads readers to a page where they can select from completely unrelated articles. Speed isn't a disambiguation page, but still sends readers a place they won't want to go. Please consider these things when making links. If someone removes links from these articles, it may be with good reason. Dekimasuよ! 11:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I know what I was doing when linking--one look at the edit history can reveal that, Dek--sheesh. I don't agree with the opposal to DAB page-linking; it's more of a pain in the ass having to wikitionary basic terms/phrases than to simply just link to them on Misplaced Pages and let the term/phrase's article have a link to Wikitionary. Regardless, Lost in Time has multiple applications of that phrase, not just a TV show. As for civility, it is as it does--it's a 2-way street (think relatively)--you want civility from me? Show civility to me, dig? Otherwise you're just another hypocrite. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 14:46, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

If you want to follow through on your disagreement with the guideline, you can start a discussion about the guideline. To revert multiple editors (four now) to keep an article page the way you want shows a disregard for consensus. It should not be necessary to link basic terms, either on Misplaced Pages or on Wiktionary. If a user doesn't know what "fear" means, a link to the article from the name of a Discover Magazine epsiode is not going to help. Taking a bottom-up approach to changing standard linking procedure is going to cause everyone who comes across the irregular versions to change them in the same way we've been doing... and I don't see any evidence that anyone has been less than civil to you in the process. Changing someone's text in the mainspace and insulting people in edit summaries are different things. Dekimasuよ! 00:16, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

See set index article. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 10:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Of course I support having set index articles. I have just been discussing creating that type of page for Editor, which is currently a dab, and I have created others in the past. Having set index articles in Misplaced Pages and linking to them out of context are different things (and Mystery, the main page that has caused the little conflict here, isn't an index article). Dekimasuよ! 11:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Um, how isn't mystery an index article? It has a list of links to articles relating to "mystery" that include other names in the article/link name. That is a set index article! ∞Σɛ_Þ² 11:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

A disambiguation page is not an article, and links users to pages related by similarity in title. A set index article is an article, and links users to pages related by similarity in both title and content. Dekimasuよ! 12:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

This is just a small note to let you know that I've nominated set index article for deletion because it is a cross-namespace redirect. Dekimasuよ! 13:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Dashes (as in Zecharia Sitchin)

I have nothing against m-dashes, but you may wish to look at the house style guide. Spaced n-dashes as a perfectly acceptable alternative. See also here. garik 12:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Be sure to see my reply to it there too. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 14:46, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Be sure to see mine! The issue of whether to use a spaced en dash or an em dash (spaced or otherwise) is really a matter of taste or house style. garik 15:43, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Overlinking

Thank you for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. In your recent edit to Discover Magazine (TV series), you added links to an article which did not add content or meaning, or repeated the same link several times throughout the article. Please see Misplaced Pages's guideline on links to avoid overlinking. Thank you. -- JHunterJ 18:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

The links I made are relevant to the context. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 08:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

Eep² (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

hypocracy--see Talk:Discover Magazine (TV series)#links, Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation#disagreement_about_linking_to_dictionary_DABs, and Talk:Mystery (which started all of this nonsense)--the admin jumped-the-gun, despite me being ganged up on yet again...

Decline reason:

Appears to be a violation of WP:3RR. Additionally, as noted below, this is not the only one. — Yamla 14:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

The reverts were with different people and never occured 3 times with the same person. Whatever, tyrants. Oh and I fixed the links you convienently forgot to leave in tact. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 15:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Upon further review, there appears to be a separate 3RR violation at Mystery today. Dekimasuよ! 12:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Do you enjoy being a little gopher for your wiktator overlords? ∞Σɛ_Þ² 15:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Please refrain from personal attacks on other editors, as above and elsewhere today. You've been warned repeatedly about this behavior, it's been the subject of an RfC, and you've been blocked for it previously. If there's a repetition you will be blocked indefinitely. ·:·Will Beback ·:· 23:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Civility

I don't appreciate your response to my comment on Misplaced Pages talk:Disambiguation. I tried to point out my opinion in a respectful, non-attacking way; and your response starts with "The actions of recent reversions to my edits shows the hypocracy of what you wrote above." Do you know what "hypocrisy" means? It does not mean expressing an opinion that is inconsistent with someone else's actions. I have not reverted any of your edits, so your accusation is incorrect on its face. When you throw around accusatory terms so loosely, it is not surprising that other editors have called you disruptive and incivil. --Russ (talk) 10:57, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

If you didn't act hypocritical, why take offense to what I said? My comment was not specifically directed to you but to anyone who acted like a hypocrite, of which I could name names, but I felt, in the interest of "civility" (whatever), I'd leave it up to the reader to figure it out. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 13:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

EEP, I really don't want for you to be blocked. You make so many positive contributions to the project. Yet civility is one of our core values. If you're nasty to other editors and scare them off then that won't do. Please be nice. ·:·Will Beback ·:· 11:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Civility is as civility does, Will. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 13:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah, don't mind him. As a fellow Active Worlds citizen, Eep² is just being Eep² as has been for years. He is just being, shall I say, "brutally" blunt. We might just as well consider him one of those, err, drill sergeants barking like those in boot camp at Misplaced Pages. Might as well consider that in diversity among people of differing characters and with their differing views of how things ought to be handled. Anyway, that's my perspective of Eep² drawing on my experiences as a fellow Active Worlds citizens since I became one of them in May 1999. Oh, by the way, Eep², you may or may not remember me as Legion (#299274). Enjoy your stay at Misplaced Pages. ;D --Legion 05:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Heh--hey, Legion; nice to see you here. Thanks for the support--I think. :o ∞Σɛ_Þ² 05:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Please assume good faith when dealing with other editors. I am unhappy that you have accused me of "wikistalking" for having nominated the Set index article redirect for deletion. I wouldn't have noticed that Set index article was a new and inappropriate redirect if you hadn't linked it in the course of insulting me in one of your comments; no stalking was necessary. Likewise, your violations of the 3RR wouldn't have come to my attention if you hadn't reverted/insulted several other users to the extent that they asked for my assistance. I have attempted to retain a professional tone with you while being called a "gopher", "tyrant", "wiktator", and "dense"; that I am "copping out", "clueless", and need links to duh to help me understand disambiguation. Frankly, your editing in these areas over the past few days has shown a sheer disregard for current guidelines and policy, and it hasn't been accompanied by any attempt to reach a new consensus or accept input from the rest of the community. If civility is as civility does, you are not doing civility. I fear that I erred when I entered this discussion in an editorial capacity rather than an administrative one. Dekimasuよ! 14:27, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

List of titles with "Darker" in them

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article List of titles with "Darker" in them, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Pan Dan 13:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

In my view the speedy tag was also valid.--Anthony.bradbury 08:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I must apologise for the brevity of my comment, above. I had a little trouble with my PC, and had then to go out unexpectedly. I do not, I must say, see why this talk-page should not be speedied, as it contains no content. You will have noticed that User:Krimpet took a similar view in deleting it an hour before I deleted it again. If you meant to query the deletion of the article itself, that was User:Krimpet. For your information, an AfD tag does not of itself automatically guard against speedy deletion if the article qualifies for speedy, and if another editor has attached a speedy tag.--Anthony.bradbury 14:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

CSS discussion

moved from Template talk:Resolved#forced white background

OK, now I need help in removing the background from closed AfD debates. This is the tag: <div class="boilerplate metadata vfd xfd-closed" style="background-color: #F3F9FF;> but .boilerplate metadata vfd xfd-closed div {background: inherit !important} doesn't work. :( I even tried just .boilerplate metadata div, .boilerplate div, .metadata div, and even div boilerplate metadata vfd xfd-closed! But still no good... :/ ∞Σɛ_Þ² 21:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Try .xfd-closed {background: inherit !important}. Trying to catch all the class names won't work, too many. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Cool--that works; thanks, though you could've just replied on the template page... Anyway, odd the HTML element (div, span, etc) doesn't need to be specified, unlike for .resolved span... ∞Σɛ_Þ² 04:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, it was an issue that had nothing to do with {{resolved}}, so I opted to move it here. If you've got any CSS questions in the future, feel free to drop me a line directly.
As for the difference in code, it's because for {{resolved}}, it was the span tag that had the background, whereas here it's the div tag (which doesn't need clarification, as that's what the "xfd-closed" does). EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Broken spindle

What is the purpose of this dabpage? Anyone who searches for "broken spindle" has likely misspelled Broken Spindles. Aside from that, it's a pure dictionary definition that doesn't disambiguate between multiple unrelated articles. –Pomte 21:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Yea, when I first created it I didn't realize both articles were directly related to each other; it could probably be deleted but I didn't do a thorough search for other "broken spindle"-named articles yet... ∞Σɛ_Þ² 21:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

As you should be aware by now, consensus is (still) that the dab term is a part of the article name is irrelevant to inclusion in the Dab page. Taemyr 23:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 17:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

That says the dabpage can include such links, not all of them. It's only relevant if people would legitimately search for an article using that term. Place names should be the main case because people may refer to places like Broken River as the Broken for short. But it's highly unlikely they refer to artistic work names like Broken Meat as Broken. –Pomte 22:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Highly unlikely to who? Have you conducted a scientific study in search algorythms or something? (I doubt it.) Regardless, by that logic, no dab page should have any compound word made up of the dab page's name (i.e., Smith shouldn't include names of people/places that are not soley named "Smith", including "Smith Company", "Smith, Inc.", etc). See how ridiculous that is? Same goes with broken (disambiguation), though I just put links to multiple-use compound words, such as to broken spindle, broken record, broken heart (disambiguation), etc. It's not that hard a concept to grasp, really, and it makes complete logical and intuitive sense. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 23:13, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Use common sense. My logic didn't restrict people or company names. You call Bob Smith by his last name, but you don't call the United States by "the United". If someone wanted to read about broken heart, they would type "broken heart" into the search box. It's not intuitive to be faced with a bunch of unnecessary, barely relevant links. If you think this distinction is arbitrary, think about how people decide which words and phrases to link in an article. –Pomte 23:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

What's common to one person may not be common to another. Your "logic" is contradictory, inconsistent, and hypocritical, for reasons I've already stated on this and, oh, just about every other dab discussion I've ever participated in on Misplaced Pages. The links also aren't "unnecessary" for reasons I've also already stated here and elsewhere many times. I also have a problem with how people link to certain words/phrases in an article and not others. I believe all words and phrases should have links but, obviously, that would clutter up the articles, which is why MediaWiki needs to be redesigned to (optionally, of course) allow all words, phrases, names, and groups of characters/words be intuitively searchable (without having to manually copy-paste the selection into the search box, or use one of those context menu selection search browser add-ons. The problem with Misplaced Pages is that it is easily biased and controllable as to what content is connected, often times leaving out much more extensive history and connections with other things. It's all relative--and it's high time more people started thinking relatively... ∞Σɛ_Þ² 23:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Most complicated systems end up being inconsistent. IAR is an obvious culprit, so you should either use IAR to denounce all policy, or refrain from considering IAR a policy. Of course dabpage writing is subjective, but there's a reason people can generally agree on things they can't define with rigorous logic. Your conception of "extensive" connections is trivial at best; being all-inclusive is not necessarily an improvement. I may not know what readers want most, but how do you? If you think you're improving the encyclopedia, start a study to see whether readers (not necessarily editors) agree. –Pomte 01:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Outer

I've nominated Outer, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Outer satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and the Misplaced Pages deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Outer and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Outer during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Taemyr 23:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Cathy O'Brien

Are you familiar with Misplaced Pages:Courtesy blanking? That AfD was particularly insensitive and could be damaging to the subject. --Iamunknown 07:17, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Says who? Vote on it. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 08:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Are you joking? Misplaced Pages:Consensus is policy, we don't vote. --Iamunknown 03:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Uh, you better reread Misplaced Pages:Courtesy blanking cuz "It is usually done at the request of the person in question, however any user may do this if the contents of a AfD discussion would be best not indexed by search engines" doesn't say anything about "consensus"--in fact, it's rather vague and arbitrary as to when "courtesy blanking" (censorship) occurs. I'd say that calls for a vote. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 04:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

{{namedab}} vs {{surname}}

Hi. Is there a specific reason for this change? It is my understanding that {{hndis}}/{{namedab}} should only be used for full names, eg. Robert Johnson, and {{surname}} for all the other cases. I currently work on a lot of surname pages, and since I (think that I) am pretty much up-to-date with dabbing guidelines and consensus, I have replaced lots of malplaces {{hndis}} templates with {{surname}}. But you're an experienced editor, so I ask whether I have missed a guideline or if I just don't see where you're coming from in this case, because anybody may be known by just their surname, making the difference between {{surname}} and {{hndis}} useless. Greetings, – sgeureka 07:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, the problem with {{surname}} is that it automatically categories the article in the general Surnames category, which is annoying when the surname is from a specific country/culture. The {{surname}} template needs to be altered so it doesn't automatically do this or an alternate template created that doesn't auto-categorizes (or has an option to categorize elsewhere). ∞Σɛ_Þ² 08:26, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know in how far you have the surname template on your watchlist, but I've made a note on Template talk:Surname. I've also invited User:Eliyak who included the old non-autocat function a while ago. The template might still be updated significantly, therefore I wouldn't start adding "nocat" to the template on articles right away. – sgeureka 12:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to Ob

Please do not add unhelpful and unconstructive content to Misplaced Pages, as you did to Ob. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. You've been told that what you are doing is inappropriate by several editors. Please stop. IPSOS (talk) 12:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Personal attack warning

In regard to this edit: Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. IPSOS (talk) 01:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Says the hypocrite who has also vandalized "Closed"... ∞Σɛ_Þ² 02:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Stop calling people names. You've been warned many times before. While you are often a good editor, that does not excuse incivility. If you wish to continue to participate in this project you must be civil. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Creating a more navigable, searchable encyclopedia.

Please see Inner and Outer. I think that you have some good ideas. You might want to work on presenting them in a more civil fashion. Remember that you are basically dealing with a bunch of tight ass volunteer librarians who are trying to make this a better place. Not, as you seem to believe, a bunch of dictatorial, narrow-minded, assholes. —Gaff

Heh, I appreciate the support...but librarians? Surely, if true, they would have better ideas of categorization and navigation! Although, perhaps all those years using the Dewey Decimal System has screwed them up permanently? :o ∞Σɛ_Þ² 06:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Category recreations

Please stop recreating validly deleted categories without consensus. These were already endorsed by DRV. Thanks. Dmcdevit·t 06:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, sorry...was just trying to clean up the wanted cats list. If those categories are disbanded, they shouldn't have any articles in them... But it seems that it's a futile attempt to restrain Wikipedians from voicing their affiliations--otherwise you'll have to remove ALL Wikipedian categories (including country/language ones)... ∞Σɛ_Þ² 06:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

POV affiliations are different from location and language. In any case, I think a bot is in the process of depopulating them already, to fix the redlinks. Dmcdevit·t 06:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Ob

Regarding this revert of yours, I have explained on the talk page why your approach is in violation of existing guidelines. If you are unable to provide counter-arguments but will continue to revert-war, I will regretfully have to report your behavior as disruptive.

Note that WP:MOS does not apply to disambiguation pages; WP:MOSDAB does. I also don't see where exactly in the manual of style the {{lookfrom}} entries are listed as acceptable on disambiguation pages. Please discuss before reverting. I'd appreciate your response at Talk:Ob. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Community ban

Stalking me to articles you've never edited before was not a good idea for someone with an RfC as long as yours. I've opened a request for a community ban, . You are intentionally disruptive and refuse to follow consensus. IPSOS (talk) 13:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

unblock

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How did I fail to "properly" respond to my RfC? Since when is "cluttering" of dab pages a violation? I wasn't cluttering them, as I've stated numerous times in my defense--I was simply improving them.

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While you are still blocked, please read over what your fellow members of the wikipedia community advised you. Ignore all rules is well and good when the action you take has a chance of being supported by the community at large. As is clear here, what you were doing is not supported. I would suggest that if you want to inflict change on our disambiguation style, that you raise conversations on the relevant pages of our manual of style. Regards. —— Eagle101 01:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

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∞Σɛ_Þ² 01:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Um, again (as I've stated numerous times in dab-related discussions), I've tried to raise conversations on relevant pages but people just don't (or won't) get it. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 01:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Please don't unblock this user, s/he is an habitual edit warrior who will not allow any other editors to disagree, will not discuss, and imposes their own style, formatting and ideas in violation of current consensus. IPSOS (talk) 01:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Says the hypocrit who is himself under RfC--tHat's rich, IPSOS... ∞Σɛ_Þ² 01:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

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I have blocked you for one week. From the discussions at both WP:CSN and WP:RFC, it is clear that you are not seeing the errors of your ways in these pages. While, Misplaced Pages does have Misplaced Pages:Ignore all rules, as you claim to uphold, it also has Misplaced Pages:What "Ignore all rules" means. Your cluttering of disambiguation pages with marginally related terms as well as putting random notices on pages with {{otheruses}} have made some members of the community disagree with your methods. In response to these, you have simply just continued to go on with how you edit.

One of the items brought up is that you believe Misplaced Pages needs to have information on everything, which includes dictionary-like pages. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and it is not a dictionary. Wiktionary, however, is a dictionary, where some of your edits seem to belong. To me, it seems that you need to go over Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not and see where you belong in all of this.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:09, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Additionally, Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation is something you should also look over.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

On behalf of WikiProject Disambiguation, thank you for a restful coming week. --Piet Delport 01:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

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And why can't I even edit my own user page? God damn...I was working on something and don't feel like losing it... ∞Σɛ_Þ² 01:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Blocked users cannot edit anything but this user talk page. And if you continue to use this page for personal attacks, you will be unable to use it within the next week. In my expanded block reason, as well as Eagle 101's decline, you need to understand the following: Despite the fact that you feel that you are ignoring all rules to improve Misplaced Pages, there are users who feel that your are not improving the project. When this happens, you stop and discuss it with them, instead of continuing to ignore them and the rules. The "MediaWiki "poor disambiguation system" does not exist. It is a set of rules set forth by the Misplaced Pages community. In ignoring these rules, you are angering people that lead to the RFC and then the "ban discussion" at CSN. I chose a middle ground here, and simply gave you a defined week long block. In this time, I expect you to read over the policies I listed above, as well as the RFC on your behavior. If you persist in these behaviors that led to the complaints, administrators such as myself will be inclined to impose longer blocks on your account to prevent further damage to the project.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

And while consensus can change, you discuss what you want to change instead of performing it unilaterally.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Middle ground my ass, you choose. A middle grounded person would not have banned me. A middle-grounded person would have worked with both parties to find a common ground. A middle-grounded person acts an arbiter, not a judge, as you have done. Duh. Misplaced Pages's rules are inconsistent, contradictory, and, hence, hypocritical--as is anyone who follows them to the letter, like you and most everyone else here on Misplaced Pages that gangs up on people trying to make sense out of all of this conflicting political nonsense. ∞Σɛ_Þ² 04:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

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