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| :Do you imply there are no White Canadians beggars with such deceptive attempts? There are many pictures circulating on Internet with North American White beggars employing all kind of pity-empathy-amusement ''attractions'' like "need funding for alcohol research" and many others. "Far beyond the norm" is your POV, what mattered was the ethnicity, anyone may see in the article's History and in the talk page that most of the users who supported the article come or have links with Eastern Europe, expressing the discrimination from this area. She became well-known because she is Romani, the mass-media presents what the people want to read. However, this does not make this person notable in this "field". ] 12:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC) | :Do you imply there are no White Canadians beggars with such deceptive attempts? There are many pictures circulating on Internet with North American White beggars employing all kind of pity-empathy-amusement ''attractions'' like "need funding for alcohol research" and many others. "Far beyond the norm" is your POV, what mattered was the ethnicity, anyone may see in the article's History and in the talk page that most of the users who supported the article come or have links with Eastern Europe, expressing the discrimination from this area. She became well-known because she is Romani, the mass-media presents what the people want to read. However, this does not make this person notable in this "field". ] 12:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC) | ||
| ::No, I am stating that few other deceptive beggars have received cover stories from prominent local papers, articles in national papers, and reports on CTV. You can believe if you want that she is being vilified by the news media for being Romani, but that doesn't change the fact that she's ] according to Misplaced Pages's policies. If you have an issue with the way the article is written, then rewrite the article; don't try to have it deleted. —] 12:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC) | ::No, I am stating that few other deceptive beggars have received cover stories from prominent local papers, articles in national papers, and reports on CTV. You can believe if you want that she is being vilified by the news media for being Romani, but that doesn't change the fact that she's ] according to Misplaced Pages's policies. If you have an issue with the way the article is written, then rewrite the article; don't try to have it deleted. —] 12:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Strong Keep'''. If we can keep the article on a New Zealand socialite<s>s</s> whose only claim to fame is her marriage to a former cricket player, this article certainly establishes notability. The subject was featured on national television and in national periodicals for her <s>periodicals</s> actions. The article is sourced (though not cited as thoroughly as I would like), so there is no good reason to delete. The claims of racism are spurious and violate ] (and given the ethnicity of the accusers, are probably suspect anyway). I do not see how this article violates ]: the fact that the subject was Romani may have contributed to her notoriety, but this article does not cast aspersions upon her for her ethnicity. --] 13:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Margita Bangová
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This biographical article lacks notability, Misplaced Pages is is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Probably the intent of its creation is Romani bashing. There are so many locally known beggars and con-artists of other ethnicities presented in local newspapers, but they are not entitled to an wiki article. Also its redirects should be deleted: Shaky Lady, Margita Bangova, Margita Horvathová, Margita Horvathova Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 10:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- I am familar with the aforementioned beggar. I doubt many beggars have reached her notability and notoriorty. She made the front cover of various national newspapers!
I don't think this is Gypsy bashing at all, there is no POV in this article. Check out its talkpage, everyone seems rather happy with it. --125.237.100.214 10:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- This is what I'm saying too, that "everyone seems rather happy with it", it is just a minority bashing. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 10:49, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- Note that the above IP is currently listed at Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Hayden5650, likely to belong to User:Hayden5650, currently at the third block because of, among other things, Romani bashing. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 10:54, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Cheers for the heads-up Desiphral, I didn't realise that! I hope that checkuser gets sorted soon, how long does it normally take? Seems half of NZs IPs are listed there ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.100.214 (talk • contribs)
- Keep. I wrote the article and can assure you that I am in no way racist. I'm not even sure where you would have gotten that idea; Bangova is notorious not because she's a gypsy or a beggar but because she's a con artist whose deceptive attempts to garner pity went far beyond the norm. She was featured on the cover page of a major newspaper, has been the subject of multiple subsequent articles in other newspapers, and IIRC was even covered on the national television news (CTV). Misplaced Pages is not politically correct and should not be removing articles on well-known criminals just because they happen to be members of an ethnic minority. —Psychonaut 12:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- Do you imply there are no White Canadians beggars with such deceptive attempts? There are many pictures circulating on Internet with North American White beggars employing all kind of pity-empathy-amusement attractions like "need funding for alcohol research" and many others. "Far beyond the norm" is your POV, what mattered was the ethnicity, anyone may see in the article's History and in the talk page that most of the users who supported the article come or have links with Eastern Europe, expressing the discrimination from this area. She became well-known because she is Romani, the mass-media presents what the people want to read. However, this does not make this person notable in this "field". Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 12:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- No, I am stating that few other deceptive beggars have received cover stories from prominent local papers, articles in national papers, and reports on CTV. You can believe if you want that she is being vilified by the news media for being Romani, but that doesn't change the fact that she's notable according to Misplaced Pages's policies. If you have an issue with the way the article is written, then rewrite the article; don't try to have it deleted. —Psychonaut 12:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. If we can keep the article on a New Zealand socialite
swhose only claim to fame is her marriage to a former cricket player, this article certainly establishes notability. The subject was featured on national television and in national periodicals for herperiodicalsactions. The article is sourced (though not cited as thoroughly as I would like), so there is no good reason to delete. The claims of racism are spurious and violate WP:AGF (and given the ethnicity of the accusers, are probably suspect anyway). I do not see how this article violates WP:NPOV: the fact that the subject was Romani may have contributed to her notoriety, but this article does not cast aspersions upon her for her ethnicity. --Nonstopdrivel 13:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)